That is what comes from the pessimism and closed minds that make up a percentage of the electorate.
For one second I thought that you where speaking about Johnson Critics, but realized that you meant Brexiteers and your ERG friends by that
You'll take whatever meaning you want from it, of course, if it isn't firmly nailed down. That is your way. We don't agree on this and most likely never will. I won't be taking a coronary over it.
And just to be clear I'm not actually a member of the Conservative Party, though I am a member of a Unionist party.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
I'm a member of no political party, simply one of those voters.
You know the ill educated, stupid , intolerant " didn't know what
I was voting for " sort of guy. The voter who thought his vote
Counted the same as everyone else but apparently, only the
Votes of the remain side are to be respected.
Like any corrupt dictator, if the people vote the " wrong " way,
There'll be a second so they vote the " right " way
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Yes, the HK and Iran business are both worrying. A war in the Gulf would be horrible (but also excellent for the Norwegian economy).
It looks like Chinese power in HK has suffered a temporary setback lately. it must be depressing for young people in HK, knowing that whatever they do they will end up a part of a totalitarian country.
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
Yes, the HK and Iran business are both worrying. A war in the Gulf would be horrible (but also excellent for the Norwegian economy).
It looks like Chinese power in HK has suffered a temporary setback lately. it must be depressing for young people in HK, knowing that whatever they do they will end up a part of a totalitarian country.
Every cloud has a silver lining, eh, N24?
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
The Norwegian Finance Minister will probably order a cake for the office if war breaks out in the Gulf. We are a peace-loving country that's among the top fifteeen arms exporters. We try to be a leader in environmental issues, somthing our oil export allows us to do. If only fish could be used as a weapon of mass destruction ….
Boris Johnson has been a major public personality for enough years that people should know him and see what his aims are. His image as a figure of fun is deliberately concocted and unfortunately has appeal to many voters. His relationship with the truth has been established, and falls down frequently (example: Google his £350m claim). His lack of competence at high office has been shown (ask Alan Duncan). His lack of regard for ordinary people has been demonstrated (ask Liverpool).
Is it any wonder I am full of trepidation at his achieving the highest office available?
Wow, I can see a lot of pessimism and closed mind from that comment ) ) )
What I find most irritating is, how far true conservatives are willing to compromise with and give up their ideals and standards by supporting candidates who evidently don‘t share anything with that just for the purpose to gain/keep power. *
It was and still is astounding in the US and it now happened again in the UK.
*just as an example SM is evidently very happy with Johnson‘s victory ( I have never seen him posting so often in the 2 political threads). He says that he‘s a unionist - so how can he support someone with numberless of extramarital affairs and is evidently chasing after married women.
But Corbyn is the Antichrist for them.....
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Wow, I can see a lot of pessimism and closed mind from that comment ) ) )
What I find most irritating is, how far true conservatives are willing to compromise with and give up their ideals and standards by supporting candidates who evidently don‘t share anything with that just for the purpose to gain/keep power. *
It was and still is astounding in the US and it now happened again in the UK.
*just as an example SM is evidently very happy with Johnson‘s victory ( I have never seen him posting so often in the 2 political threads). He says that he‘s a unionist - so how can he support someone with numberless of extramarital affairs and is evidently chasing after married women.
But Corbyn is the Antichrist for them.....
I am happy with Boris Johnson's victory, yes, as I wanted him to be the PM back in 2016. He would have most likely become PM then but for the treachery of Michael Gove. If we'd got Johnson then Brexit would most likely have been delivered by now. What would be the point of voting for "Theresa in trousers" (Jeremy Hunt), as Andrew Neil so aptly put it? The softly, softly, "safe pair of hands" approach of Theresa May has evidently not worked so the UK needs to change course under a new and more dynamic leader.
We can always look into the personal lives of our politicians and find them wanting but sometimes you have to look beyond all of that (which only takes us so far astray) and see the bigger picture. Instead of looking at the personal life of Johnson we have to ask ourselves a series of pressing questions. Who is most likely to unite the divided Conservative Party under fresh leadership and hope? Who is most likely to deliver Brexit by 31 October 2019? Who is most likely to defeat Jeremy Corbyn's Labour at the next general election (which may be imminent)? Who is most likely to neutralise the threat of Nigel Farage's new and electorally very successful Brexit Party? The answer to all of these questions can only be Boris Johnson. Every other consideration is now an irrelevance. Johnson is the "In Emergency: Break Glass" candidate and this is a time of national emergency for the UK and constitutional crisis. It's certainly the worst crisis for the UK since Suez or World War II.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Whilst I will freely admit to not being a particular 'fan' of May's reign as PM, I will doff my cap to her today for her rinsing of Corbyn in the PMQ's session today ... it was lovely to see tbh )
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Boris Johnson is now the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I wish him all the luck. -{
The Queen received in Audience The Right Honourable Boris Johnson MP this afternoon and requested him to form a new Administration. Mr Johnson accepted Her Majesty's offer and kissed hands upon his appointment as Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury.
Boris Johnson is now the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I wish him all the luck. -{
I hope you particularly enjoy paying more in Income Tax so he can give his mates a few extra quid when he reduces theirs, as promised Oh, and don’t forget to tug your forelock when you see him :v
Voted in by less than 100,000 idiots
Britain’s Trump, indeed
YNWA 97
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
Boris Johnson is now the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I wish him all the luck. -{
I hope you particularly enjoy paying more in Income Tax so he can give his mates a few extra quid when he reduces theirs, as promised Oh, and don’t forget to tug your forelock when you see him :v
Voted in by less than 100,000 idiots
Britain’s Trump, indeed
I'm willing to wait to see what he actually does, not what he may or may not have said before he became PM, which is more than most here will allow him. I'll reserve judgement to see what he actually does in the role of prime minister. It's an office he has, after all, never held before. How can we really know what he will be like until we see the fruits of his labours? Only by his fruits shall we know him.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
I think the only way Boris (or any British PM) can really change the deal with the EU is to significantly change the idea behind the deal and re-negotiate based on that. For example if Boris goes to the EU and says "we want a new deal that's really a free trade treaty, in most other ways we don't want any of the advantages of membership such as free movement across EU borders. You know - like Canada's treaty with the EU". Another example would be joining the EEA. Then the EU negotiators and the British public get upset, there's long period of new negotiations and probably a new referendum or at least a vote in Parliament. But that way a British PM can change the Brexit deal a lot. Trying to change May's deal to something significantly won't work. At least that's how I see it.
Boris Johnson is now the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I wish him all the luck. -{
I hope you particularly enjoy paying more in Income Tax so he can give his mates a few extra quid when he reduces theirs, as promised Oh, and don’t forget to tug your forelock when you see him :v
Voted in by less than 100,000 idiots
Britain’s Trump, indeed
I'm willing to wait to see what he actually does, not what he may or may not have said before he became PM, which is more than most here will allow him. I'll reserve judgement to see what he actually does in the role of prime minister. It's an office he has, after all, never held before. How can we really know what he will be like until we see the fruits of his labours? Only by his fruits shall we know him.
He’s already told us what he’s going to do
Gary Lineker got it spot on...
“We may have lost our marbles, but we never lose our unique sense of humour. Only Britain could end up with politics’ version of Basil Fawlty as Prime Minister.”
After Johnson‘s first speech as PM in parliament, this should be leaving all „The EU won‘t let us leave“ whiners in shame.
If that held any truth, the PM would have never held such a combative speech (which was pretty nasty against the EU imo).
Now that this nonsense (and I have called it this several times) is out of the way, time for some reflection for some here and I predict that Boris‘ aggressive approach will totally fail, the UK will leave without a deal and Johnson has already started to put the blame for that on the EU.
Just enough evidence, that the office has not changed him one bit.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Just watching the CNN interview with the directors of ‚The Great Hack‘ and how Cambridge Analytica targeted well chosen targetgroups for the Trump Campaign and for „Leave“, enforced fears and instincts to get the necessary edge to win the majority of votes.
If you still believe in ‚unbiased and well-researched and - educated votes‘, —> ) ) )
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I have to ask TP: Has the Remain campaign been caught in any untruths, objectively speaking?
I mean, it's an established fact that the Brexit campaign did front untrue claims (most famously onthe side of the red bus)
They have even been fined by the electoral commission, but
Many only see the faults on the Leave side. Remain stated there
Would be a rise in unemployment for instance, infact we have
Loads of jobs, but as I said both sides didn't make false claims
Only the deceitful, lying Pro Brexit side. We can't help ourselves
Only the remain side have decent people, brexit supporters are
All stupid, xenophobic, racists. We're repeatedly told this by the
Wise, intelligent, harmonious, democracy loving remainers.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Comparing predictions for the future ( and Brexit has not really happened) with false facts, systematic manipulation in social media, cheating with funding and so on won‘t fool anyone but the blind radicals.
I am sick and tired of hearing „the other side lied, too“ as if it made the lies on the Brexit camp any better by making that false claim.
And now we will hear „Turkey and the European Army“ again....
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
You must be blindly radical to really believe that the „lies“ were equal on both sides....
Yes, I stand with it.
It‘s just a pathetic attempt to marginalize what Leave really did and that becomes evidently in „The Great Hack“
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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The ardent Remainers who don't understand how democracy works or accept it (unless it goes their way of course) is what is truly pathetic. That is what is holding Brexit back and the whole country back. It's time to move on and accept the result of the biggest democratic vote in British history. What more can the Leave side give to those who refuse to accept how a democratic vote works? There isn't going to be a second referendum. That needs to be accepted by the Remain side, over three years on. We need to unite as a country and try to make a success of Brexit.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Recently, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, blamed the Brexit vote on 40 years of lies and the lies of 'Leave' campaigners. Juncker is correct in one sense, there were many lies during the EU Referendum campaign, however these lies were from the 'Remain' side. The so-called lies from Leavers are a figment of the federalist's imagination.
The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.
In reality the lies came from the 'Remain' campaign.
European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As I am sitting here writing this article, and as you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.
David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.
George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.
Despite Anna Soubry's claim to the contrary on a recent Question Time appearance, Remainers did suggest there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date, in fact the OECD now believes the UK economy will grow 1.8% this year, up 0.1% on its pre-referendum estimate. Even Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. Lie number four.
3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs was the fictitious figure banded about. However, in July the claimant count fell by 8,600 to 763,600, despite an expected rise of 9,500. Another lie.
"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper.
We were told companies would leave the UK in their droves, especially in the car industry. There is no sign of this, and UK car manufacturing achieving its 12th successive month of growth in July, with production passing one million units in seven months for the first time in 12 years. Lie number 7.
David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.
The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.
Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place. Lie number 10.
This is 10 of many lies spouted by the 'Remain' campaign during the EU referendum. It is about time us Brexiteers challenged this ridiculous narrative of leave lies and remain truths. We voted 'Leave' for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we Get Britain Out of the EU, the better.
with a couple more on the lies told by Remain, ......
I'm not sure that they're all lies - quite are number were pessimistic predictions, and three years down the line plans have been made (or policies put in place) to counter some of the ill effects. More worrying is the impact of a 'no deal' Brexit which is a very real possibility, the effects of which can't be predicted - by either side.
The remain side are making plenty of predictions about
A no deal brexit ) .... they never stop, but since they've
Been wrong on so many predictions ( same predictions were
Made about our downfall if we didn't join the euro ) it's hard
To take them seriously.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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For one second I thought that you where speaking about Johnson Critics, but realized that you meant Brexiteers and your ERG friends by that
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
You'll take whatever meaning you want from it, of course, if it isn't firmly nailed down. That is your way. We don't agree on this and most likely never will. I won't be taking a coronary over it.
And just to be clear I'm not actually a member of the Conservative Party, though I am a member of a Unionist party.
You know the ill educated, stupid , intolerant " didn't know what
I was voting for " sort of guy. The voter who thought his vote
Counted the same as everyone else but apparently, only the
Votes of the remain side are to be respected.
Like any corrupt dictator, if the people vote the " wrong " way,
There'll be a second so they vote the " right " way
It's like the scene in YOLT when M says 'This is the big one, 007' only the camera pans around and we see he's talking to Norman Wisdom.
When was the last time we had such controversy over a blond-haired blue eyed fellow with a penchant for married women* inhabiting such a key role?
* Referring to the character of Bond back then, please don't sue me Mister Craig.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
It looks like Chinese power in HK has suffered a temporary setback lately. it must be depressing for young people in HK, knowing that whatever they do they will end up a part of a totalitarian country.
Every cloud has a silver lining, eh, N24?
Is it any wonder I am full of trepidation at his achieving the highest office available?
What I find most irritating is, how far true conservatives are willing to compromise with and give up their ideals and standards by supporting candidates who evidently don‘t share anything with that just for the purpose to gain/keep power. *
It was and still is astounding in the US and it now happened again in the UK.
*just as an example SM is evidently very happy with Johnson‘s victory ( I have never seen him posting so often in the 2 political threads). He says that he‘s a unionist - so how can he support someone with numberless of extramarital affairs and is evidently chasing after married women.
But Corbyn is the Antichrist for them.....
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
But of course you can.
Let me rephrase that-
But of course YOU can.
I am happy with Boris Johnson's victory, yes, as I wanted him to be the PM back in 2016. He would have most likely become PM then but for the treachery of Michael Gove. If we'd got Johnson then Brexit would most likely have been delivered by now. What would be the point of voting for "Theresa in trousers" (Jeremy Hunt), as Andrew Neil so aptly put it? The softly, softly, "safe pair of hands" approach of Theresa May has evidently not worked so the UK needs to change course under a new and more dynamic leader.
We can always look into the personal lives of our politicians and find them wanting but sometimes you have to look beyond all of that (which only takes us so far astray) and see the bigger picture. Instead of looking at the personal life of Johnson we have to ask ourselves a series of pressing questions. Who is most likely to unite the divided Conservative Party under fresh leadership and hope? Who is most likely to deliver Brexit by 31 October 2019? Who is most likely to defeat Jeremy Corbyn's Labour at the next general election (which may be imminent)? Who is most likely to neutralise the threat of Nigel Farage's new and electorally very successful Brexit Party? The answer to all of these questions can only be Boris Johnson. Every other consideration is now an irrelevance. Johnson is the "In Emergency: Break Glass" candidate and this is a time of national emergency for the UK and constitutional crisis. It's certainly the worst crisis for the UK since Suez or World War II.
The Queen received in Audience The Right Honourable Boris Johnson MP this afternoon and requested him to form a new Administration. Mr Johnson accepted Her Majesty's offer and kissed hands upon his appointment as Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury.
Source: https://www.royal.uk/queen-received-audience-right-honourable-boris-johnson-mp
I hope you particularly enjoy paying more in Income Tax so he can give his mates a few extra quid when he reduces theirs, as promised
Voted in by less than 100,000 idiots
Britain’s Trump, indeed
I'm willing to wait to see what he actually does, not what he may or may not have said before he became PM, which is more than most here will allow him. I'll reserve judgement to see what he actually does in the role of prime minister. It's an office he has, after all, never held before. How can we really know what he will be like until we see the fruits of his labours? Only by his fruits shall we know him.
Interesting times ahead naturally - actions speak louder than words (as he will soon find out).
Cheers :007)
He’s already told us what he’s going to do
Gary Lineker got it spot on...
“We may have lost our marbles, but we never lose our unique sense of humour. Only Britain could end up with politics’ version of Basil Fawlty as Prime Minister.”
And you can’t really argue with that!
If that held any truth, the PM would have never held such a combative speech (which was pretty nasty against the EU imo).
Now that this nonsense (and I have called it this several times) is out of the way, time for some reflection for some here and I predict that Boris‘ aggressive approach will totally fail, the UK will leave without a deal and Johnson has already started to put the blame for that on the EU.
Just enough evidence, that the office has not changed him one bit.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If you still believe in ‚unbiased and well-researched and - educated votes‘, —>
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
After three years, the SAME OLD EXCUSES
I mean, it's an established fact that the Brexit campaign did front untrue claims (most famously onthe side of the red bus)
Many only see the faults on the Leave side. Remain stated there
Would be a rise in unemployment for instance, infact we have
Loads of jobs, but as I said both sides didn't make false claims
Only the deceitful, lying Pro Brexit side. We can't help ourselves
Only the remain side have decent people, brexit supporters are
All stupid, xenophobic, racists. We're repeatedly told this by the
Wise, intelligent, harmonious, democracy loving remainers.
Comparing predictions for the future ( and Brexit has not really happened) with false facts, systematic manipulation in social media, cheating with funding and so on won‘t fool anyone but the blind radicals.
I am sick and tired of hearing „the other side lied, too“ as if it made the lies on the Brexit camp any better by making that false claim.
And now we will hear „Turkey and the European Army“ again....
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, I stand with it.
It‘s just a pathetic attempt to marginalize what Leave really did and that becomes evidently in „The Great Hack“
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Recently, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, blamed the Brexit vote on 40 years of lies and the lies of 'Leave' campaigners. Juncker is correct in one sense, there were many lies during the EU Referendum campaign, however these lies were from the 'Remain' side. The so-called lies from Leavers are a figment of the federalist's imagination.
The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.
In reality the lies came from the 'Remain' campaign.
European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As I am sitting here writing this article, and as you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.
David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.
George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.
Despite Anna Soubry's claim to the contrary on a recent Question Time appearance, Remainers did suggest there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date, in fact the OECD now believes the UK economy will grow 1.8% this year, up 0.1% on its pre-referendum estimate. Even Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. Lie number four.
3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs was the fictitious figure banded about. However, in July the claimant count fell by 8,600 to 763,600, despite an expected rise of 9,500. Another lie.
"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper.
We were told companies would leave the UK in their droves, especially in the car industry. There is no sign of this, and UK car manufacturing achieving its 12th successive month of growth in July, with production passing one million units in seven months for the first time in 12 years. Lie number 7.
David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.
The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.
Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place. Lie number 10.
This is 10 of many lies spouted by the 'Remain' campaign during the EU referendum. It is about time us Brexiteers challenged this ridiculous narrative of leave lies and remain truths. We voted 'Leave' for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we Get Britain Out of the EU, the better.
with a couple more on the lies told by Remain, ......
http://www.dailyglobe.co.uk/comment/the-many-lies-of-the-remain-campaign/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1068271/brexit-news-eu-uk-referendum-2016-leave-remain-campaign-spt
Although some here will prefer to stick with the Propaganda
A no deal brexit
Been wrong on so many predictions ( same predictions were
Made about our downfall if we didn't join the euro ) it's hard
To take them seriously.