Why do non fans seem to hate the Moore era?

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    welshguy34 wrote:
    Roger Moore is my least favourite Bond and I prefer a more grittier and realistic Bond - Craig, Dalton, early Connery. However Moore's films made a lot of money and kept the franchise going and I even enjoy Roger's films. I may have to turn my brain off at times but I still enjoy them, and TSWLM is truly one of the best Bond films that has been made.

    "Early Connery" is an interesting point. IMO Connery's GF onwards align with Moore's first 4 films quite heavily.

    I agree, with the exception of TB. The Guy Hamilton Bond films and YOLT I could picture Moore doing, perhaps because Moore also worked under the same directors. I could also picture Moore in DN.
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    welshguy34 wrote:
    Roger Moore is my least favourite Bond and I prefer a more grittier and realistic Bond - Craig, Dalton, early Connery. However Moore's films made a lot of money and kept the franchise going and I even enjoy Roger's films. I may have to turn my brain off at times but I still enjoy them, and TSWLM is truly one of the best Bond films that has been made.

    "Early Connery" is an interesting point. IMO Connery's GF onwards align with Moore's first 4 films quite heavily.

    I agree, with the exception of TB. The Guy Hamilton Bond films and YOLT I could picture Moore doing, perhaps because Moore also worked under the same directors. I could also picture Moore in DN.

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    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    "Early Connery" is an interesting point. IMO Connery's GF onwards align with Moore's first 4 films quite heavily.

    I agree, with the exception of TB. The Guy Hamilton Bond films and YOLT I could picture Moore doing, perhaps because Moore also worked under the same directors. I could also picture Moore in DN.

    You must give me the name of your occularist :007)

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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Hold on! I'm not the biggest advocate of RM's toughness, but that's an interesting premise. RM as the Saint was pretty tough, arguably more on the average than when he was Bond. There was an attempt to do that with TMWTGG over and above levels in LALD. We also know that there was a conscious effort to disassociate his introduction as Bond from that of Connery's, e.g., the tough, macho Bond and to suit Moore's own "smooth" personality (by that time in the 70s accumulated from his stints as The Saint and The Persuaders) to accomplish that objective. However, what if...he had started in DN and Terence Young had given him a similar treatment and build-up as he did for Connery? First of all, there would be no ghost of Connery's Bond that pre-empted a lot of what Moore did in his Bond debut. He would also have benefited from the Peter Hunt editing that made the fight scenes revolutionary exciting, thanks also to the doubling done by Bob Simmons. Lastly, I think a ruthless rendition of a "pretty boy" cold-blooded-killer Bond would have been something novel and an interesting visual paradox to watch...just saying, "what if..."
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    "Early Connery" is an interesting point. IMO Connery's GF onwards align with Moore's first 4 films quite heavily.

    I agree, with the exception of TB. The Guy Hamilton Bond films and YOLT I could picture Moore doing, perhaps because Moore also worked under the same directors. I could also picture Moore in DN.

    You must give me the name of your occularist :007)

    Have you ever seen The Saint? As Superado says, he was tougher in that than in Bond.
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    I agree, with the exception of TB. The Guy Hamilton Bond films and YOLT I could picture Moore doing, perhaps because Moore also worked under the same directors. I could also picture Moore in DN.

    You must give me the name of your occularist :007)

    Have you ever seen The Saint? As Superado says, he was tougher in that than in Bond.

    I grew up in the 60's and loved The Saint. Even in that Roger moved without grace, he just never convinced me of any sense of danger I'm afraid.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:

    You must give me the name of your occularist :007)

    Have you ever seen The Saint? As Superado says, he was tougher in that than in Bond.

    I grew up in the 60's and loved The Saint. Even in that Roger moved without grace, he just never convinced me of any sense of danger I'm afraid.

    To make a counterpoint to my own, earlier point :s because it's relevant, I vaguely remember reading that before the Bond role, Connery had taken movement lessons that contributed to his panther-like walk among other things. However, RM's physicality (as The Saint) before Bond wouldn't have necessarily limited him depending how well he could take direction in fight choreography. My point here; different productions for The Saint and DN.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
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