After 30 years working with guns, they don't scare me but some of their owners do!
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
While doing live weapons training, the instructors walk behind the last man, one brainless grunt couldn't hear the direction given and turned 180 degrees to talk to the instructor.... With finger on trigger!!! Needless to say much drama ensued
After 30 years working with guns, they don't scare me but some of their owners do!
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
It's OK its Bond + artistic licence what could possibly go wrong?
But yes does set the wrong example to the untrained.
Cheers :007)
P.S How's it going with the Ti PO got it on your wrist yet?
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
After 30 years working with guns, they don't scare me but some of their owners do!
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
It's OK its Bond + artistic licence what could possibly go wrong?
But yes does set the wrong example to the untrained.
Cheers :007)
P.S How's it going with the Ti PO got it on your wrist yet?
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
It's OK its Bond + artistic licence what could possibly go wrong?
But yes does set the wrong example to the untrained.
Cheers :007)
P.S How's it going with the Ti PO got it on your wrist yet?
It's turning into a drama all on its own
Sorry to hear thought you would be enjoying the delights of Ti - fingers crossed it's soon for you
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
I agree that it sets a poor example to the ignorant. They really should insist on better trigger discipline in these movies. No one in their right mind with training would run around with a loaded weapon with their finger on the trigger. X-(
After 30 years working with guns, they don't scare me but some of their owners do!
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
While doing live weapons training, the instructors walk behind the last man, one brainless grunt couldn't hear the direction given and turned 180 degrees to talk to the instructor.... With finger on trigger!!! Needless to say much drama ensued
Once had an officer load and make ready and I noticed he was not wearing his ear defence they were on his head but behind his ears. I said stop put on your ear defence he did no more than put his hands to his ear defence (with said pistol made ready now facing me) and pulled them onto his ears and carried on firing. Needless to say I let him finish the shoot and gave him a swift debrief while holding him by the throat thereafter. In his defence he was mortified at his unthinking moment. Rest of the range staf were wetting themselves!
It's near misses like that in hindsight make you chuckle if only it was a one off.
Cheers :007)
P.S Some might be thinking so what - issue was it was a Glock and his finger was on the trigger!!
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I agree that it sets a poor example to the ignorant. They really should insist on better trigger discipline in these movies. No one in their right mind with training would run around with a loaded weapon with their finger on the trigger. X-(
Actually, that's not quite true. UK Special Forces are taught to do just that. When you go into hostile environments and the possibility is high that you need to take a quick decisive shot, then wasting time moving your finger onto the trigger is not an option. Obviously trigger discipline is taught at a very high level with those people though. A very high level.
After 30 years working with guns, they don't scare me but some of their owners do!
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
While doing live weapons training, the instructors walk behind the last man, one brainless grunt couldn't hear the direction given and turned 180 degrees to talk to the instructor.... With finger on trigger!!! Needless to say much drama ensued
Once had an officer load and make ready and I noticed he was not wearing his ear defence they were on his head but behind his ears. I said stop put on your ear defence he did no more than put his hands to his ear defence (with said pistol made ready now facing me) and pulled them onto his ears and carried on firing. Needless to say I let him finish the shoot and gave him a swift debrief while holding him by the throat thereafter. In his defence he was mortified at his unthinking moment. Rest of the range staf were wetting themselves!
It's near misses like that in hindsight make you chuckle if only it was a one off.
Cheers :007)
P.S Some might be thinking so what - issue was it was a Glock and his finger was on the trigger!!
For the uninitiated it may be worth explaining why this is such an issue with a hammerless pistol with an internal striker -{
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
While doing live weapons training, the instructors walk behind the last man, one brainless grunt couldn't hear the direction given and turned 180 degrees to talk to the instructor.... With finger on trigger!!! Needless to say much drama ensued
Once had an officer load and make ready and I noticed he was not wearing his ear defence they were on his head but behind his ears. I said stop put on your ear defence he did no more than put his hands to his ear defence (with said pistol made ready now facing me) and pulled them onto his ears and carried on firing. Needless to say I let him finish the shoot and gave him a swift debrief while holding him by the throat thereafter. In his defence he was mortified at his unthinking moment. Rest of the range staf were wetting themselves!
It's near misses like that in hindsight make you chuckle if only it was a one off.
Cheers :007)
P.S Some might be thinking so what - issue was it was a Glock and his finger was on the trigger!!
For the uninitiated it may be worth explaining why this is such an issue with a hammerless pistol with an internal striker -{
Oops my bad, of course safety catch per say is in the trigger so it's safe unless you have a finger or pressure on the trigger then it's one small tug to bangsville. See below
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
Not all hammerless striker fired pistols are created equal. The Glock is precocked any time it's loaded and is more like a single action 1911 in that regard. It does not have an external safety except for the trigger safety.
The Walther P99 is a double action, single action traditional trigger mechanism differeing only in internal arrangement. Operating it is the same as a SIG-Sauer or HK hammer fired pistol. The P99 includes a decocker the same as the two mentioned.
In fact, you can see and hear Bond use the decocker in Casino Royale when he is in the Aston Martin in the casino parking lot and goes to fetch the P99. After checking to see that it is loaded with a press check, he decocks the P99 and holsters it.
While it is decocked it DA mode, a slight 1/4" pull of the slide will **** the pistol to single action with a light trigger pull. There is no safety on the pistol either and is best left in DA mode while carrying.
Not all hammerless striker fired pistols are created equal. The Glock is precocked any time it's loaded and is more like a single action 1911 in that regard. It does not have an external safety except for the trigger safety.
The Walther P99 is a double action, single action traditional trigger mechanism differeing only in internal arrangement. Operating it is the same as a SIG-Sauer or HK hammer fired pistol. The P99 includes a decocker the same as the two mentioned.
In fact, you can see and hear Bond use the decocker in Casino Royale when he is in the Aston Martin in the casino parking lot and goes to fetch the P99. After checking to see that it is loaded with a press check, he decocks the P99 and holsters it.
While it is decocked it DA mode, a slight 1/4" pull of the slide will **** the pistol to single action with a light trigger pull. There is no safety on the pistol either and is best left in DA mode while carrying.
WTF is with the male chicken BS?
I don't think the site allows bad words like the other word for Winky that rhymes with clock!
But I got what you mean unless there was some foul play here!
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
I agree that it sets a poor example to the ignorant. They really should insist on better trigger discipline in these movies. No one in their right mind with training would run around with a loaded weapon with their finger on the trigger. X-(
Actually, that's not quite true. UK Special Forces are taught to do just that. When you go into hostile environments and the possibility is high that you need to take a quick decisive shot, then wasting time moving your finger onto the trigger is not an option. Obviously trigger discipline is taught at a very high level with those people though. A very high level.
This is correct, and after huge amounts of hours in training, though this practice is generally used in ultra extreme situations where blue on blue or collateral damage is a very minimal risk.
After 30 years working with guns, they don't scare me but some of their owners do!
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
Yes thankfully so, I do sometimes wonder at the bond posters where he is posing with his finger on the trigger. In fact I think the last Spectre turtle neck poster he has his finger on the trigger and it's cocked!
While doing live weapons training, the instructors walk behind the last man, one brainless grunt couldn't hear the direction given and turned 180 degrees to talk to the instructor.... With finger on trigger!!! Needless to say much drama ensued
Once had an officer load and make ready and I noticed he was not wearing his ear defence they were on his head but behind his ears. I said stop put on your ear defence he did no more than put his hands to his ear defence (with said pistol made ready now facing me) and pulled them onto his ears and carried on firing. Needless to say I let him finish the shoot and gave him a swift debrief while holding him by the throat thereafter. In his defence he was mortified at his unthinking moment. Rest of the range staf were wetting themselves!
It's near misses like that in hindsight make you chuckle if only it was a one off.
Cheers :007)
P.S Some might be thinking so what - issue was it was a Glock and his finger was on the trigger!!
Not all hammerless striker fired pistols are created equal. The Glock is precocked any time it's loaded and is more like a single action 1911 in that regard. It does not have an external safety except for the trigger safety.
The Walther P99 is a double action, single action traditional trigger mechanism differeing only in internal arrangement. Operating it is the same as a SIG-Sauer or HK hammer fired pistol. The P99 includes a decocker the same as the two mentioned.
In fact, you can see and hear Bond use the decocker in Casino Royale when he is in the Aston Martin in the casino parking lot and goes to fetch the P99. After checking to see that it is loaded with a press check, he decocks the P99 and holsters it.
While it is decocked it DA mode, a slight 1/4" pull of the slide will **** the pistol to single action with a light trigger pull. There is no safety on the pistol either and is best left in DA mode while carrying.
WTF is with the male chicken BS?
For clarification, the P99 trigger you described is their "AS" (Anti-Stress trigger) that is a DA/SA but can be staged. They also have a "DAO" (Double Action Only trigger) and a "QA" (Quick Action trigger).
Once had an officer load and make ready and I noticed he was not wearing his ear defence they were on his head but behind his ears. I said stop put on your ear defence he did no more than put his hands to his ear defence (with said pistol made ready now facing me) and pulled them onto his ears and carried on firing. Needless to say I let him finish the shoot and gave him a swift debrief while holding him by the throat thereafter. In his defence he was mortified at his unthinking moment. Rest of the range staf were wetting themselves!
It's near misses like that in hindsight make you chuckle if only it was a one off.
Cheers :007)
P.S Some might be thinking so what - issue was it was a Glock and his finger was on the trigger!!
Yeah, it is a heart stop inducing moment when something like that happens, I almost had trainee shoot my thigh off with an assault rifle: "Did you load your rifle with out an order?" "Yes sir, sorry sir, I'll take care of it sir!!!".... BANG!!!! "YOUMOTHERF....R!!!" I was inspecting that everyone had cleaned their rifles before shoot when this happened. The muzzle of that rifle was close enough to my leg that I could really feel the blast. I would have never, ever have believed that something like this can happen had I not been there my self "dancing the jig".
Well, I was green, but lived and learned.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
I've been there too. Standing behind a female soldier on the range with a Sterling SMG. Officer gave the order to load (a 30 round mag), ready (cocked the weapon) and then (God only knows why!) told them to move back 5 metres... So, she turned around and all I could see were these shiny little brass rounds in the breech and the muzzle pointing at my stomach at a range of about 1 metre!
In fairness, I don't think it was her fault and it was her first time on the range and I lived to tell the tale. Also ended up as Best Man at her wedding :007)
We need to start a new thread - the near miss but lived to tell the tale (the real Bond Experience - sorry David) or Facing the Loaded Gun (how to smile sweetly and learn to forgive) I reckon that would be a book all of its own!
Or let's just pull up a barrel and swing the lamp here about the fun times )
Funny it's memories like that, sometimes life changing (very nearly) you never forget but somehow look back at with affection over time (yet we have all above just shrugged it off must seem strange to some) - weird huh? Bit like the first time I was shot at in anger but I am not even going there!
Cheers :007)
P.S Nothing wrong with the Browning HP used it for years and it had a proper safety catch! (standing by for incoming correction from somewhere) used to be able to strip it blind folded would need my glasses now )
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Nice avatar, Herr Michael! -{
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Just pleased to see me ?
No. If you look closely you can see my forefinger fingernail. My finger is along the side of the frame where it should be.
Good gun control etiquette there chaps (finger off the trigger) so carry on!
Cheers :007)
While doing live weapons training, the instructors walk behind the last man, one brainless grunt couldn't hear the direction given and turned 180 degrees to talk to the instructor.... With finger on trigger!!! Needless to say much drama ensued
It's OK its Bond + artistic licence what could possibly go wrong?
But yes does set the wrong example to the untrained.
Cheers :007)
P.S How's it going with the Ti PO got it on your wrist yet?
Sorry to hear thought you would be enjoying the delights of Ti - fingers crossed it's soon for you
Cheers :007)
From what I can see he has his finger on the trigger in every Spectre poster featuring Bond holding his pistol...
Once had an officer load and make ready and I noticed he was not wearing his ear defence they were on his head but behind his ears. I said stop put on your ear defence he did no more than put his hands to his ear defence (with said pistol made ready now facing me) and pulled them onto his ears and carried on firing. Needless to say I let him finish the shoot and gave him a swift debrief while holding him by the throat thereafter. In his defence he was mortified at his unthinking moment. Rest of the range staf were wetting themselves!
It's near misses like that in hindsight make you chuckle if only it was a one off.
Cheers :007)
P.S Some might be thinking so what - issue was it was a Glock and his finger was on the trigger!!
Actually, that's not quite true. UK Special Forces are taught to do just that. When you go into hostile environments and the possibility is high that you need to take a quick decisive shot, then wasting time moving your finger onto the trigger is not an option. Obviously trigger discipline is taught at a very high level with those people though. A very high level.
As for Bond's posing. All film posters do this.
For the uninitiated it may be worth explaining why this is such an issue with a hammerless pistol with an internal striker -{
Oops my bad, of course safety catch per say is in the trigger so it's safe unless you have a finger or pressure on the trigger then it's one small tug to bangsville. See below
Cheers :007)
The Walther P99 is a double action, single action traditional trigger mechanism differeing only in internal arrangement. Operating it is the same as a SIG-Sauer or HK hammer fired pistol. The P99 includes a decocker the same as the two mentioned.
In fact, you can see and hear Bond use the decocker in Casino Royale when he is in the Aston Martin in the casino parking lot and goes to fetch the P99. After checking to see that it is loaded with a press check, he decocks the P99 and holsters it.
While it is decocked it DA mode, a slight 1/4" pull of the slide will **** the pistol to single action with a light trigger pull. There is no safety on the pistol either and is best left in DA mode while carrying.
WTF is with the male chicken BS?
I don't think the site allows bad words like the other word for Winky that rhymes with clock!
But I got what you mean unless there was some foul play here!
Cheers :007)
For clarification, the P99 trigger you described is their "AS" (Anti-Stress trigger) that is a DA/SA but can be staged. They also have a "DAO" (Double Action Only trigger) and a "QA" (Quick Action trigger).
Yeah, it is a heart stop inducing moment when something like that happens, I almost had trainee shoot my thigh off with an assault rifle: "Did you load your rifle with out an order?" "Yes sir, sorry sir, I'll take care of it sir!!!".... BANG!!!! "YOUMOTHERF....R!!!" I was inspecting that everyone had cleaned their rifles before shoot when this happened. The muzzle of that rifle was close enough to my leg that I could really feel the blast. I would have never, ever have believed that something like this can happen had I not been there my self "dancing the jig".
Well, I was green, but lived and learned.
-Mr Arlington Beech
In fairness, I don't think it was her fault and it was her first time on the range and I lived to tell the tale. Also ended up as Best Man at her wedding :007)
Or let's just pull up a barrel and swing the lamp here about the fun times
Funny it's memories like that, sometimes life changing (very nearly) you never forget but somehow look back at with affection over time (yet we have all above just shrugged it off must seem strange to some) - weird huh? Bit like the first time I was shot at in anger but I am not even going there!
Cheers :007)
P.S Nothing wrong with the Browning HP used it for years and it had a proper safety catch! (standing by for incoming correction from somewhere) used to be able to strip it blind folded would need my glasses now