David is shown and is allowed to experience many of the handguns that Bond uses in Part 1 of this series. Expert Ray Kromphold and FreeState Gun Range in Maryland provide the weaponry, expertise and environment to immerse the viewer into the world of Bond through his tools of the trade....
thanks to you and David for the video. Good job. Is a good chance to ask. I am very familiar with the P99. Couple of questions though
how bad is the DA pull on the PPK compared to the P99? aweful?
I also heard that the trigger on the vp9 is numb? your opinion?
and finally it would be nice to know your opinion on the trigger of the Cheetah.
Kudos on the range and the approach to a Bond experience.
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Wow, that all would've been nice to see in person!
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
thanks to you and David for the video. Good job. Is a good chance to ask. I am very familiar with the P99. Couple of questions though
how bad is the DA pull on the PPK compared to the P99? aweful?
I also heard that the trigger on the vp9 is numb? your opinion?
and finally it would be nice to know your opinion on the trigger of the Cheetah.
Kudos on the range and the approach to a Bond experience.
The DA trigger pull on the PPK is long and heavy, roughly 16lbs, compared to the 4lb single. The P99 we used has an amazing trigger with a very very short reset. I don't know about David's opinion but the VP9 trigger, but I find it dull, but it's amazing how accurate it is. The Cheetah has a long trigger pull with a very crisp break
....Kudos on the range and the approach to a Bond experience.
The DA trigger pull on the PPK is long and heavy, roughly 16lbs, compared to the 4lb single. The P99 we used has an amazing trigger with a very very short reset. I don't know about David's opinion but the VP9 trigger, but I find it dull, but it's amazing how accurate it is. The Cheetah has a long trigger pull with a very crisp break
Thanks for that. I had heard about the VP9 trigger, but is nice that is an accurate one.
those PPK are also great, but I would hate to get used to the DA trigger.
David is shown and is allowed to experience many of the rifles that Bond uses in Part 2 of this series. Expert Ray Kromphold and FreeState Gun Range in Maryland provide the weaponry, expertise and environment to immerse the viewer into the world of Bond through his tools of the trade....also, visit Ray's new Youtube channel The Bond Armory: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsXr...
David is shown and is allowed to experience many of the rifles that Bond uses in Part 2 of this series. Expert Ray Kromphold and FreeState Gun Range in Maryland provide the weaponry, expertise and environment to immerse the viewer into the world of Bond through his tools of the trade....also, visit Ray's new Youtube channel The Bond Armory: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsXr...
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@BCFDRay That 1939 Walther PPK in 7.65mm is a fantastic piece! Really enjoyed the videos and you and David (aka The Mantis) have made showcasing the various guns used by James Bond and various other characters in the films. Hoping to shoot a PPK and a P99 on the range myself in the near future.
I had an amazing time doing TBE with Mantis and im lookomg forward to doing another once the collection builds up more. He actually inspired me to start The Bond Armory vlog.
I love that PPK, its a much better shooter than my 1968 380acp was. I tried to hide some hints in my PPK video about the next firearm, anyone pick up on them?
Don't want to be a killjoy but a loaded weapon be it pistol or rifle should never be passed from one shooter to another even with the safety on. I was shocked when this happened with the pistol, that is firing off half the clip before the experienced shooter handed the weapon to the inexperienced shooter but could not believe it when it happened with the rifle. That gents is bad range craft & potentially a major accident waiting to happen! I do hope the range officer kicked your asses off camera!
Don't want to be a killjoy but a loaded weapon be it pistol or rifle should never be passed from one shooter to another even with the safety on. I was shocked when this happened with the pistol, that is firing off half the clip before the experienced shooter handed the weapon to the inexperienced shooter but could not believe it when it happened with the rifle. That gents is bad range craft & potentially a major accident waiting to happen! I do hope the range officer kicked your asses off camera!
Is that a thing? I never knew. Great video, Mantis.
So, Esprit Licence Plate, should the experienced shooter take out the mag and take out the round from the chamber and then hand a fresh mag and the gun to the inexperienced shooter? Maybe they thought it was too much of a hassle.
Typically there is a range table or platform the items are set on, but we were down range before the place opened. The range officers have no nails left!
Don't want to be a killjoy but a loaded weapon be it pistol or rifle should never be passed from one shooter to another even with the safety on. I was shocked when this happened with the pistol, that is firing off half the clip before the experienced shooter handed the weapon to the inexperienced shooter but could not believe it when it happened with the rifle. That gents is bad range craft & potentially a major accident waiting to happen! I do hope the range officer kicked your asses off camera!
Don't want to be a killjoy but a loaded weapon be it pistol or rifle should never be passed from one shooter to another even with the safety on. I was shocked when this happened with the pistol, that is firing off half the clip before the experienced shooter handed the weapon to the inexperienced shooter but could not believe it when it happened with the rifle. That gents is bad range craft & potentially a major accident waiting to happen! I do hope the range officer kicked your asses off camera!
Is that a thing? I never knew. Great video, Mantis.
So, Esprit Licence Plate, should the experienced shooter take out the mag and take out the round from the chamber and then hand a fresh mag and the gun to the inexperienced shooter? Maybe they thought it was too much of a hassle.
A weapon, any weapon should be made safe. In the UK the instruction is "breaches open, bench weapons". You saw the difficulty Ray had getting the safety to engage on the AK carbine. That is effectively a pivoted piece of pressed steel. No weapon should be handled with the magazine in place in the manner seen. Pistols should be handled with the slide locked back and the magazines removed unless shooting Police pistol when the weapon is holstered. Rifles/carbines should have the magazines removed with bolts pulled back & actions open so other shooters also know the weapons are safe. There can never be "too much hassle" when it comes to range safety. Both shooters appeared to be attempting to continue shooting the Jetfire with the slide fully back & then turn it slightly on its side to try & see why it would no longer fire...it's empty! Remember this is not Special Forces weapons training. This was a civilian range where in my opinion unsafe weapons procedures were demonstrated...fun or not!
I repeat, an instructor should never hand a loaded weapon to an inexperienced or indeed any shooter....Family Fun Range or not!
Don't want to be a killjoy but a loaded weapon be it pistol or rifle should never be passed from one shooter to another even with the safety on. I was shocked when this happened with the pistol, that is firing off half the clip before the experienced shooter handed the weapon to the inexperienced shooter but could not believe it when it happened with the rifle. That gents is bad range craft & potentially a major accident waiting to happen! I do hope the range officer kicked your asses off camera!
Is that a thing? I never knew. Great video, Mantis.
So, Esprit Licence Plate, should the experienced shooter take out the mag and take out the round from the chamber and then hand a fresh mag and the gun to the inexperienced shooter? Maybe they thought it was too much of a hassle.
A weapon, any weapon should be made safe. In the UK the instruction is "breaches open, bench weapons". You saw the difficulty Ray had getting the safety to engage on the AK carbine. That is effectively a pivoted piece of pressed steel. No weapon should be handled with the magazine in place in the manner seen. Pistols should be handled with the slide locked back and the magazines removed unless shooting Police pistol when the weapon is holstered. Rifles/carbines should have the magazines removed with bolts pulled back & actions open so other shooters also know the weapons are safe. There can never be "too much hassle" when it comes to range safety. Both shooters appeared to be attempting to continue shooting the Jetfire with the slide fully back & then turn it slightly on its side to try & see why it would no longer fire...it's empty! Remember this is not Special Forces weapons training. This was a civilian range where in my opinion unsafe weapons procedures were demonstrated...fun or not!
I repeat, an instructor should never hand a loaded weapon to an inexperienced or indeed any shooter....Family Fun Range or not!
I often target shoot in a rural environment, i.e. outdoors and absent the formality of a range. Nevertheless, my practice is to always load my own weapons and never pass them to another shooter unless they are cleared, mag out, and slide/bolt back. The range officer should have been more assertive in the video posted above as there's really no excuse for that. Certainly not the fault of an inexperienced shooter.
While it is true that only the P99 and P90 were passed with loaded Magazines (no "clips" were used in any firearm), both were done so safely in accordiance with general firearm safety rules.: finger off the trigger, safeties engaged, and muzzles pointed in a safe direction and nobody crossed the line of fire.. After every firearm was fired, including the Jetfire, I tilt the firearm to check the chamber before removing the magazine. The commands you refer to are generally only used for competitions, qualifications, and when a cease fire needs to be conducted by the RSO.
The methods you said are of course optimal, but at no time was there unsafe handling of a firearm.
Use the acronym SAFE
S: Suppose all firearms are loaded and treat them as such.
A: Aim firearms in a safe direction
F: Finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire
E: Everything in the path of the bullet is accounted for.
I am in no way condoning those actions. ppw3o6r is correct, we should have removed the magazine and cleared the chambers before handing off the P99 and P90, but safety measures were still used
Correct drills should of course be the norm but reality is even Bond himself cuts corners. We all take short cuts from time to time for the expediency of speed or operational reasons. So long as both parties are aware of the state of the weapon when handing over and finger is off the trigger then I would say you are covered safety wise.
We actually hand over loaded and made ready weapons when facilitating look at life visitors, because basically they have no idea of the drills anyway so it's actually safer and ensures the weapon points straight down the range at all times.
I would not get too bent out of shape only those in the know would know, to everyone else they were just great VLogs guys - well done!
Cheers :007)
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I did say I do not want to be a killjoy and what I said was "in my opinion". I have since rewatched both vlogs & feel with Ray's explanation my observations on the 950 Jetfire are not valid however because of the coverage this will undoubtedly receive I would have preferred to have seen the magazines removed & chambers manually cleared from both the P99 and FNP90 before handover. Bond 44 will know of an occasion when an officer above an unoccupied Royal enclosure accidentally discharged his Glock. In theory the trigger within a trigger safety should not have gone off, almost fool proof but accidents happen and safeties do fail. The officer in question was returned to regular duties. Any inexperienced shooter who views this blog may think this type of handover is the norm and in all the years (33) I've been a range officer it most definitely is not!
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Very cool! I'm so tempted but I don't know what a good price is on one.
It isn't that rare. It depends of course of the condition but I would say 200-300$.
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thanks to you and David for the video. Good job. Is a good chance to ask. I am very familiar with the P99. Couple of questions though
how bad is the DA pull on the PPK compared to the P99? aweful?
I also heard that the trigger on the vp9 is numb? your opinion?
and finally it would be nice to know your opinion on the trigger of the Cheetah.
Kudos on the range and the approach to a Bond experience.
The DA trigger pull on the PPK is long and heavy, roughly 16lbs, compared to the 4lb single. The P99 we used has an amazing trigger with a very very short reset. I don't know about David's opinion but the VP9 trigger, but I find it dull, but it's amazing how accurate it is. The Cheetah has a long trigger pull with a very crisp break
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Thanks for that. I had heard about the VP9 trigger, but is nice that is an accurate one.
those PPK are also great, but I would hate to get used to the DA trigger.
Love the P99 myself.
Thanks
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David is shown and is allowed to experience many of the rifles that Bond uses in Part 2 of this series. Expert Ray Kromphold and FreeState Gun Range in Maryland provide the weaponry, expertise and environment to immerse the viewer into the world of Bond through his tools of the trade....also, visit Ray's new Youtube channel The Bond Armory: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsXr...
Like I said I envy you guys in the US sometimes great VLOG well done.
Cheers :007)
I love that PPK, its a much better shooter than my 1968 380acp was. I tried to hide some hints in my PPK video about the next firearm, anyone pick up on them?
So, Esprit Licence Plate, should the experienced shooter take out the mag and take out the round from the chamber and then hand a fresh mag and the gun to the inexperienced shooter? Maybe they thought it was too much of a hassle.
A weapon, any weapon should be made safe. In the UK the instruction is "breaches open, bench weapons". You saw the difficulty Ray had getting the safety to engage on the AK carbine. That is effectively a pivoted piece of pressed steel. No weapon should be handled with the magazine in place in the manner seen. Pistols should be handled with the slide locked back and the magazines removed unless shooting Police pistol when the weapon is holstered. Rifles/carbines should have the magazines removed with bolts pulled back & actions open so other shooters also know the weapons are safe. There can never be "too much hassle" when it comes to range safety. Both shooters appeared to be attempting to continue shooting the Jetfire with the slide fully back & then turn it slightly on its side to try & see why it would no longer fire...it's empty! Remember this is not Special Forces weapons training. This was a civilian range where in my opinion unsafe weapons procedures were demonstrated...fun or not!
I repeat, an instructor should never hand a loaded weapon to an inexperienced or indeed any shooter....Family Fun Range or not!
The methods you said are of course optimal, but at no time was there unsafe handling of a firearm.
Use the acronym SAFE
S: Suppose all firearms are loaded and treat them as such.
A: Aim firearms in a safe direction
F: Finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire
E: Everything in the path of the bullet is accounted for.
We actually hand over loaded and made ready weapons when facilitating look at life visitors, because basically they have no idea of the drills anyway so it's actually safer and ensures the weapon points straight down the range at all times.
I would not get too bent out of shape only those in the know would know, to everyone else they were just great VLogs guys - well done!
Cheers :007)