Thanks for your explanation, Gassy Man. I still don't agree on a lot of your points (I think India looks fantastic and exciting in OP, and I find the overall look of the film to be much better), but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
I do enjoy Edward Fox as M ( very funny, although far from the relationship of the novels )
And Bernie Casey makes a great Felix. ........... and that's about it for me.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I think NSNA has some good moments. The main cast is all excellent, and I honestly think, if it were a Moore film released in the 80s but with the same people in their roles as the film is, it could have been pretty good. It really is let down by some truly awful music, which is so far from anything Bond-like.
Whilst on the subject of the film, I once read that an ending written but not filmed would have seen Sean bump into Roger Moore, who delivers the "Never Say Never Again" final line. Is this true?
Whilst on the subject of the film, I once read that an ending written but not filmed would have seen Sean bump into Roger Moore, who delivers the "Never Say Never Again" final line. Is this true?
I've only seen this mentioned as a rumour. That would have been even worse than Octopussy's Tarzan yell!
On the topic of Octopussy vs Never Say Never Again, I think that Sean had already gotten weary of the part by Diamonds so I don't want to tarnish his entire performance by watching the film. As there are many people with whom I agree in this forum, I'll say "never" to Never Say Never Again.
NSNA also reuses a couple of old "Porridge" jokes. ( Same writers )
The filling the beaker from here ? And the stripping to boxers to look
Like you're doing great a bit of training.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
The Rowan Atkinson bit was dreamed up by Clements and Le Frenais, to lighten the film at that point, though they later vaguely admitted it wasn't necessary. The Lorenzo Semple stuff, well, I think the film underwent a massive rewrite; he had Blush as bald for a start.
I enjoy GassyMan's reinterpretation, it makes sense but for me OP had ambition and went to new locations such as East Germany and India, and NSNA is more of a retread than it need be. Really, for me, there is no one good thing I like about the movie, nothing to redeem it whatsoever. If it seems like an official Bond movie at all it is not so much a homage imo but because it just doesn't have the guts to do anything different, so it serves up a watered down version of the EON formula.
The Rowan Atkinson bit was dreamed up by Clements and Le Frenais, to lighten the film at that point, though they later vaguely admitted it wasn't necessary. The Lorenzo Semple stuff, well, I think the film underwent a massive rewrite; he had Blush as bald for a start.
I enjoy GassyMan's reinterpretation, it makes sense but for me OP had ambition and went to new locations such as East Germany and India, and NSNA is more of a retread than it need be. Really, for me, there is no one good thing I like about the movie, nothing to redeem it whatsoever. If it seems like an official Bond movie at all it is not so much a homage imo but because it just doesn't have the guts to do anything different, so it serves up a watered down version of the EON formula.
Gassy Man's excellent take on NSNA and its merits over OP are well thought out and ring true in a lot of ways. I always cringe when people dismiss NSNA as cheap or low-rent, given that they were actually going for the grittier, more serious tone and thus, less avant garde look of the originals. In that respect, I actually appreciate that it didn't try to be as big and epic as TB was because even if they'd wanted to, they'd never manage to top that, and they couldn't muster that kind of budget anyway.
Beyond that, I want to stress out how much I do like OP itself, although I've not seen the film for a few years now. Its actually Roger Moore's definitive Bond movie, in my mind. Not his best, mind - but its got all the elements from all his previous Bond films, thrown in a blender, and as such it should've been his exit entry (its simply too bad he stayed for AVTAK).
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And Bernie Casey makes a great Felix. ........... and that's about it for me.
Did you know her famous tiger bathing suit was a gift from Playboy?
Whilst on the subject of the film, I once read that an ending written but not filmed would have seen Sean bump into Roger Moore, who delivers the "Never Say Never Again" final line. Is this true?
I've only seen this mentioned as a rumour. That would have been even worse than Octopussy's Tarzan yell!
The filling the beaker from here ? And the stripping to boxers to look
Like you're doing great a bit of training.
I enjoy GassyMan's reinterpretation, it makes sense but for me OP had ambition and went to new locations such as East Germany and India, and NSNA is more of a retread than it need be. Really, for me, there is no one good thing I like about the movie, nothing to redeem it whatsoever. If it seems like an official Bond movie at all it is not so much a homage imo but because it just doesn't have the guts to do anything different, so it serves up a watered down version of the EON formula.
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Interestingly Barbara Carrera turned down the role of Octopussy to star opposite Sean Connery in NSNA.
Beyond that, I want to stress out how much I do like OP itself, although I've not seen the film for a few years now. Its actually Roger Moore's definitive Bond movie, in my mind. Not his best, mind - but its got all the elements from all his previous Bond films, thrown in a blender, and as such it should've been his exit entry (its simply too bad he stayed for AVTAK).