I think Higgins is right, I dont think May will get a landslide victory, but this vote is very different from the brexit referendum, that vote is cast and now voters can choose the way forward with that and other matters.
Interestingly the tories are the only Party who have not attempted to bribe the electorate with undeliverable promises. I simply don't understand why anyone isn't asking how it all gets paid for? Corbyn thinks taxing the Elite and rich and industry is a great plan, and also borrowing billions! But history tells us the rich will move their money, enterprise will be strangled, and as the middle classes don't exist anymore to pay the way it will fall to anyone with a job to pay more tax, only with his hike in corporation tax there will be less jobs, the ftse will shrink so will pensions and investments. So borrowing the billions will fall to the younger generation to pay back. My wife is a senior adult care social worker who specialises in dementia, she has no complaints with the suggested " dementia tax" though she hates that term. There is not enough money, and as she points out we live in a culture where society expects the government to do and pay for everything but no one wants to contribute further. inheritance it seems has become an absolute right people are expecting as opposed to a windfall you may receive if your loved ones havnt spent their own money on themselves.
I didn't watch the debate but saw snippets in the news. They showed the part where UKIP's Nuttall said that the terror attacks are as a result of Islamic extremism, which let's face it seems to be a given, but the other panellists took objection to this?!? Sorry did I miss something?
I'm not a UKIP supporter but it seems to me this concept of denial as to the cause of these terrorist attacks exacerbates the situation and is demeaning to the victims. We ask that Imams and Muslim elders monitor for suspicious behaviour and report it, yet senior politicians are in denial themselves.
Japanese proverb say, "Bird never make nest in bare tree".
I didn't watch the debate but saw snippets in the news. They showed the part where UKIP's Nuttall said that the terror attacks are as a result of Islamic extremism, which let's face it seems to be a given, but the other panellists took objection to this?!? Sorry did I miss something?
I'm not a UKIP supporter but it seems to me this concept of denial as to the cause of these terrorist attacks exacerbates the situation and is demeaning to the victims. We ask that Imams and Muslim elders monitor for suspicious behaviour and report it, yet senior politicians are in denial themselves.
They are just conforming to political correctness ( sorry 24) and not trying to alienate Muslim voters, didn't you know that we pander to minorities in the UK?
Could the expected Tory landslide turn into a windabago for Corbyn?
It seems recent polls open up for this possibility.
Dunno what you mean by "windabago", N24- if you mean "win", then not probable, though not impossible.
And the polls have been very wrong before!
Yes, you're right. I wrote "win" and the blessed autocorrect changed it to "windabagooo"
I wonder what would happen if Corbyn wins, since he's pretty far to the left? When was the last time Britain had such a left ist PM - it has to be before Thatcher at least?
Corbyn talking to and working with Trump should be a hot! )
Well if you take the yougov poll as most accurate ( which it isn't and has a massive error margin) it would leave the tories as the biggest party but short of the 327 seats it needs so we would have a hung parliament. if that happens the only two parties who could form a coalition would be the SNP and the tories??? Labour still wouldn't be able to form a government even with any coalition. But never say never and all of Corbyns rabble rousing has given his party some momentum. I can't see Trump dealing with him at all.
I think not turning up, has hurt her. Possibly not in a big way but it can and will be used against her.
Yes possibly. But anyone particularly keen on watching Teresa May debating on television or any other politician for that matter can watch prime ministers questions every week. Admittedly it's not as entertaining as it was when William Haigh was verbally beating Blair up week in week out.
What do you think of the system where the PM can decide (to some degree at least. I don't know the details) when an election will be? Both here and in the US the election day is set, the politicians don't have a say on the date.
Well with the new rules, the pm can't call an election without the mps voting in favour of it as we have new 5 year fixed term parliament. But I think having that ability is good, as with current global political situations governments may need a mandate. May has recieved criticism from pretty much every corner for not having the mandate of the country to either be PM or negotiating brexit etc. This limits her somewhat so she has pretty much been forced to hold an election. If she hadn't she would continually have got such criticism also the next general election would be the year after brexit which would add even more uncertainty. So all in all its a good call. Just on these so called u turns she gets so much abuse for, I think it's more democratic for a government to listen and change deeply unpopular policies. Thatcher was roundly regarded as a good leader but also pulled a huge u turn with the deeply unpopular poll tax.
Like I said normally the parliament runs for a fixed term, but I think it's a good idea to have a loophole for that in place in case of extraordinary circumstances.
OK. I guess I agree, but only in extreme situations.
Last time I heard UKIP has lost a lot of support since Brexit. Is that true and is UKIP over as areal political factor now?
Thunderbird 2East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
I sat through the debate last night, and it made me sit up in several ways.
1) Tim Farron is desperate 'to be relevant He kept referencing his family, brexit and who he is.
2) The SNP are blinkered. Angus Whatsit had to tag on the rest of the UK after every comment to counter his Scotland only thinking.
3) Amber Rudd Seriously shot herself in the foot. - Just look at our track record.' Everyone was laughing out loud at that one. She looked hurt, and quite right. It was a stupid thing to say.
4) Nuttal is a fascist. He effectively said the Islamic community is the cause of Extremist terrorisim. Thats why the others were up in arms. Nuttal's Britain would be death camps and numbers for names, no matter how its dressed up.
Theresa May is the Prime Minister. The one person who should have been there. No excuses. Yet she wasn't. That really says it all of what she thinks of the electorate. I would say the same of Nicola Sturgeon, but she is a far more public politician, and her reputation precedes her.
The question now, is how do you vote? To make a difference, to be relevant and choose the one you distrust the least?
I already have.
This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
Maybe it's an indictment of modern society that over twice as many people watched Britain's got talent instead of the political debate? Or maybe people are getting wise to fact these debates are just nothing but soundbites, cheap shots and political showboating?
I don't think that Theresa May not attending displays any lack of respect for the electorate at all! In fact I think it shows she thinks the serious nature of politics isn't best represented by them. I applauded Corbyn for following the same tact but in the end he couldn't resist the chance to join the others in barracking each other.
I've listened to a couple of radio interviews this week, Jeremy Corbyn couldn't tell the interviewer how much child care would cost, despite it being an important part of his manifesto he also couldn't say how much a policeman's starting salary was or how much the average monthly mortgage payment was. The interviewer actually asked him if he needed his IPad to answer every question.
And Alex Salmond today! That guys just a bumbling idiot who rubbished any official report that criticised Sturgeon and likened Scotland stats to much bigger countries, he also said Sturgeon is desperate to increase upper tax duty to 60%!!!
It is depressing also noticed last night how UKIP will be around for many years. When the term
"Immigration " was used ! Suddenly we were back to the Gordon Brown days and " That bigoted Woman" !
Straight away it was closed as a discussion.
Sadly the Politicians live in the Westminster bubble, which itself is in the city of London bubble, not the
Real world of the North of England etc.
If they can't have a discussion about Immigration without calling anyone who raises it a bigot, fascist,
Extremist or Nazi. Then they will drive people to the likes of UKIP.
Many ordinary people want a discussion about it, who are not fascists or Nazi's , just a discussion, with some
Facts so people can make a decision, not just on propaganda from one side or the other.
Did get a laugh at Nick Clegg, talking about remembering the big Brexit bus with that big lie printed on
The side. As I thought well, ..... If there's anyone who knows about telling lies, .... It's YOU Nick !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
By blinkered I mean (and I assume TB2 means) that they only see things within certain limits- in their case, within the framework of Scottish independence.
Comes from these, which are called "blinkers":
The blinkers are so the horse can only see straight ahead.
I have Googled "lapper" in English and I got 7-8 different meanings to the word! A good Bond title sounds mysterious and ideally has a double meaning. "Skylapper" is perfect. :007)
Thunderbird 2East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
By blinkered I mean (and I assume TB2 means) that they only see things within certain limits- in their case, within the framework of Scottish independence.
Comes from these, which are called "blinkers":
You assumed correctly Barbel!
The Prime Minister is at it again! She handed an appearance on BBC Radio's The Woman's Hour to another underling.
I find it had to comprehend how the second woman Prime Minister can think she is a strong and stable example to young women who are debating entering politics when she shuns media opportunities at this, the most critical time they are needed.
I had high hopes when she replaced Cameron. What a joke. On all of us. "A Plague on all your houses!" - Of Commons that is.
By blinkered I mean (and I assume TB2 means) that they only see things within certain limits- in their case, within the framework of Scottish independence.
Comes from these, which are called "blinkers":
You assumed correctly Barbel!
The Prime Minister is at it again! She handed an appearance on BBC Radio's The Woman's Hour to another underling.
I find it had to comprehend how the second woman Prime Minister can think she is a strong and stable example to young women who are debating entering politics when she shuns media opportunities at this, the most critical time they are needed.
I had high hopes when she replaced Cameron. What a joke. On all of us. "A Plague on all your houses!" - Of Commons that is.
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Interestingly the tories are the only Party who have not attempted to bribe the electorate with undeliverable promises. I simply don't understand why anyone isn't asking how it all gets paid for? Corbyn thinks taxing the Elite and rich and industry is a great plan, and also borrowing billions! But history tells us the rich will move their money, enterprise will be strangled, and as the middle classes don't exist anymore to pay the way it will fall to anyone with a job to pay more tax, only with his hike in corporation tax there will be less jobs, the ftse will shrink so will pensions and investments. So borrowing the billions will fall to the younger generation to pay back. My wife is a senior adult care social worker who specialises in dementia, she has no complaints with the suggested " dementia tax" though she hates that term. There is not enough money, and as she points out we live in a culture where society expects the government to do and pay for everything but no one wants to contribute further. inheritance it seems has become an absolute right people are expecting as opposed to a windfall you may receive if your loved ones havnt spent their own money on themselves.
No need to repeat this.... We all know it
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
How can she defend her agenda against 27 EU states when she's not even able to defend it in front of a tv audience? :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'm not a UKIP supporter but it seems to me this concept of denial as to the cause of these terrorist attacks exacerbates the situation and is demeaning to the victims. We ask that Imams and Muslim elders monitor for suspicious behaviour and report it, yet senior politicians are in denial themselves.
They are just conforming to political correctness ( sorry 24) and not trying to alienate Muslim voters, didn't you know that we pander to minorities in the UK?
Yes, you're right. I wrote "win" and the blessed autocorrect changed it to "windabagooo"
I wonder what would happen if Corbyn wins, since he's pretty far to the left? When was the last time Britain had such a left ist PM - it has to be before Thatcher at least?
Corbyn talking to and working with Trump should be a hot!
Last time I heard UKIP has lost a lot of support since Brexit. Is that true and is UKIP over as areal political factor now?
1) Tim Farron is desperate 'to be relevant He kept referencing his family, brexit and who he is.
2) The SNP are blinkered. Angus Whatsit had to tag on the rest of the UK after every comment to counter his Scotland only thinking.
3) Amber Rudd Seriously shot herself in the foot. - Just look at our track record.' Everyone was laughing out loud at that one. She looked hurt, and quite right. It was a stupid thing to say.
4) Nuttal is a fascist. He effectively said the Islamic community is the cause of Extremist terrorisim. Thats why the others were up in arms. Nuttal's Britain would be death camps and numbers for names, no matter how its dressed up.
Theresa May is the Prime Minister. The one person who should have been there. No excuses. Yet she wasn't. That really says it all of what she thinks of the electorate. I would say the same of Nicola Sturgeon, but she is a far more public politician, and her reputation precedes her.
The question now, is how do you vote? To make a difference, to be relevant and choose the one you distrust the least?
I already have.
I don't think that Theresa May not attending displays any lack of respect for the electorate at all! In fact I think it shows she thinks the serious nature of politics isn't best represented by them. I applauded Corbyn for following the same tact but in the end he couldn't resist the chance to join the others in barracking each other.
I've listened to a couple of radio interviews this week, Jeremy Corbyn couldn't tell the interviewer how much child care would cost, despite it being an important part of his manifesto he also couldn't say how much a policeman's starting salary was or how much the average monthly mortgage payment was. The interviewer actually asked him if he needed his IPad to answer every question.
And Alex Salmond today! That guys just a bumbling idiot who rubbished any official report that criticised Sturgeon and likened Scotland stats to much bigger countries, he also said Sturgeon is desperate to increase upper tax duty to 60%!!!
All round there is the sense of, even if the Tories get in - and they will - we're all going to be screwed.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
"Immigration " was used ! Suddenly we were back to the Gordon Brown days and " That bigoted Woman" !
Straight away it was closed as a discussion.
Sadly the Politicians live in the Westminster bubble, which itself is in the city of London bubble, not the
Real world of the North of England etc.
If they can't have a discussion about Immigration without calling anyone who raises it a bigot, fascist,
Extremist or Nazi. Then they will drive people to the likes of UKIP.
Many ordinary people want a discussion about it, who are not fascists or Nazi's , just a discussion, with some
Facts so people can make a decision, not just on propaganda from one side or the other.
Did get a laugh at Nick Clegg, talking about remembering the big Brexit bus with that big lie printed on
The side. As I thought well, ..... If there's anyone who knows about telling lies, .... It's YOU Nick !
This is true.
So is this.
What is "blinkered"?
Yes, I assume UKIP will be around for a long time, but will it gave the power and the support it had before Brexit?
Comes from these, which are called "blinkers":
The blinkers are so the horse can only see straight ahead.
Thanks
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
You assumed correctly Barbel!
The Prime Minister is at it again! She handed an appearance on BBC Radio's The Woman's Hour to another underling.
I find it had to comprehend how the second woman Prime Minister can think she is a strong and stable example to young women who are debating entering politics when she shuns media opportunities at this, the most critical time they are needed.
I had high hopes when she replaced Cameron. What a joke. On all of us. "A Plague on all your houses!" - Of Commons that is.
While I remember...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40139052
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Have just spent 45 minutes watching Theresa May not answering questions. Jeremy Corbyn is on now, I wonder if he'll do any better?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Are you talking people from other countries here..? :v