Dunkirk
Revolver66
Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
Anyone seen this yet? Caught it last night. A superb piece of work. Everything about it is technically brilliant and it will no doubt clean up come awards time. Nolan creates an incredible amount of tension and suspense. This man has to direct a Bond flick. He would do a brilliant job. Also after seeing this I wouldn't mind at all if Tom Hardy was cast as Bond. He is the hero of the film and is such a cool presence. Make sure to see it! -{
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Ugh 8-)
There are much worse things in history that should offend people than a country not having enough immigrants from distant parts of the world to enlist in their military.
I think some people find it offensive that an historical film that would only include white men could be made at all! I'm all for diversity and fairness to all races and genders, but I also appreciate history, and people's race and gender can't be changed without changing the story.
Totally agree {[] It's mildly astonishing that it's an issue at all, IMO. History should be preserved. Cheers
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
It's all fine if it reflects actual history, but it shouldn't be included just because.
I read some things on the military history and I think that there were some Indian soldiers in the British army in France at that time. I think they were not infantry soldiers but support units. They would not have been many.
http://www.open.ac.uk/researchprojects/makingbritain/content/battle-and-evacuation-dunkirk-operation-dynamo
I think the Indians have more to be offended than black people or women. I think they are strong enough not to complain though!
But I do know the French Foreign Legion fought in the battle of Narvik in Norway even before Dunkirk. Troops from outside Europe could have been among them, I suppose.
Four contingents of the Royal Indian Army Service Corps were sent to support the British Expeditionary Force in France in 1940. There was a need for animal transport companies to help with the supply of troops, as the British Army had disbanded its animal transport companies after the First World War. The British, French and Canadian Forces were cut off by advancing German troops in their push towards the Channel. The soldiers retreated to the beaches and harbour of Dunkirk from where 338,226 were evacuated, among them three contingents of the Royal Indian Army Service Corps, while one contingent was taken prisoner by German forces.
The Indian troops were subsequently stationed in various locations in the UK and received press and publicity coverage. They stayed in the UK until the end of 1943 to help on the home front. Their presence is not well documented in historical writing, however newspaper coverage and photographic evidence held at the Imperial War Museum attests to their presence. Their conduct is invariably praised, especially their bravery and discipline amidst the chaos at Dunkirk. In many ways, the Indian Army Service Corps contribution marks the beginning of India’s significant contribution to the Second World War and precedes the arrival of twenty-four Indian pilots who would train at RAF Cranwell in September 1940 to join the RAF.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/08/patrickwintour
I'd like to know if non-white soldiers really fought at Narvik. I'll check with a history forum I'm a member of. (Yes, I sometimes cheat on AJB :v)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWospST9pHg
I think that the Indian troops and especially the Sikhs were brave soldiers. I think the Sikhs were prized as warriors. But in France they were just the support troops and not the infantry.
I haven't read much about the troops from India, but it's my impression too that many fought well.
Narvik is in Norway and is the shipping harbour for Swedish iron. Norwegian soldiers fought alongside British infantry, the Foreign Legion and Polish mountain troops. The battle of Narvik was the first battle Germany won, but when Hitler attacked France the allied troops left and Norway lost completely.
I'll watch "Dunkirk" next week. Have you seen the movie, Joshua? Or has anyone else seen it?
Saying all that, I'm really looking forward to seeing Dunkirk. It looks like a great if harrowing film it's been a long time since the opening scenes of saving private Ryan have been equalled for realism.
Ah Yes. Thank you. I remember now that Norway was attacked before France.
No I haven't seen the Dunkirk film and when I do I do not expect to see any black soldiers. In fact I would be offended if i did see black soldiers as I think that would be to disrespect the history if no black soldiers were there. I would not think it disrepectful to see perhaps one or two Indian faces as they were there, but to me this is not nesesary anyway as they were only a few.
It is like making the film of the war in the DRC in which I took part for a short time in a small way but making it with some white men when no white men were there. I like to study history and I said before to do this when it is not real to history is the real offence. Why not complain about not seeing black men or women in the Germans side? Why not insist that hitler or Churchill is black? This is as stupid as saying you must see black men at Dunkirk!
I saw the film about Robin Hood and the main helper was a black man. I think this was stupid. I know this is only legend but I even think this is stupid. I think the black man would have been never seen in england at that time so why to make the character black?
This is Tom Hardy who perhaps to be the next James Bond?
I just add to this. I think James Bond should only be a white man. And that not ever played by a black man or other persons who are not white.
As for Dunkirk...I saw it last night and it's incredible. Not an easy film to watch. I felt rather emotionally exhausted afterwards because it's so tense. But brilliantly done.
Interestingly enough, there was one black soldier amongst the French troops that I noticed in the film.
It is a taxing watch however it's only a 100 minutes so it goes quickly. Also there is no blood and gore in it whatsoever, which makes it an easier watch than Saving Private Ryan in my opinion. Check it!
I would like to ask if the alleged lack of diversity complaint has actually been made by anyone, or if it is just more right-wing propaganda.