- that the "problem" of not setting up the chain reaction has been "solved"
- and even if not, the raining down of some hundred kilograms of Uranium may be not nice as well
That all, if the THAAD works 100% successfully
Don't forget the patriot system that the US also have. Uranium raining down is practically a zero rated threat. The warheads are that tough that it takes a precise chain of events to make the nuclear threat. This is the area that everyone other than the most advanced nuclear nations struggle to perfect thankfully. An intercepted missile would explode but the warheads are most likely to stay intact and fall to the surface which would then be recovered and made safe.
Most of the NK military is from the cold war. The the best equipment units in WWII would probably do well against them. I agree there most likely won't be a war and if there is, the South Korean and US forces will win. There will be large military and civilian losset.
Strange but true: Like many other nations Norway sent a MASH hospital unit to the Korean war in the early 1950's. But when I was in the military I met the father of another soldier from my district. The father had been a paratrooper, and he told us about one of their instructors. The instructor had served in Korea, had PTS and a bayonet with many notches on it. I found this strange because all sources said only medical personell had been sent to the Korean war. A few years ago a journalist found the diary of a man who had served in Korea. He had served in an elite light infantry (Storm Troops) unit and had contacted recon missions and raids with other Norwegians. They had all been told not to speak of this to anyone. I e-mailed the journalist and hopefully I helped him a little bit find more information.
It is only my guess of course but I think that many north Korean officer and soldiers would not want to die for the dictator and many would want him to be killed or captured soon in the fight. I was a soldier in the army of the dictator and this makes me think when i see the soldiers around the North Koreans dictator that their support for him would not be as he expects.
This is also a very valid point. It's OK having a huge conscripted army to parade, but once the US fighters start flying over head amd the cruise missiles are landing suddenly Kim Jong and that uniform seem harder to fight for, especially when your family is starving due to the economic sanctions.
And just a point on geography as number 24 has pointed out. Of the two countries in the Korean peninsula north Korea is the worst location, China to the north, Japan to the east, south Korea to the south leaves them locked in with no escape routes and difficult re supply routes.
It is only my guess of course but I think that many north Korean officer and soldiers would not want to die for the dictator and many would want him to be killed or captured soon in the fight. I was a soldier in the army of the dictator and this makes me think when i see the soldiers around the North Koreans dictator that their support for him would not be as he expects.
This is also a very valid point. It's OK having a huge conscripted army to parade, but once the US fighters start flying over head amd the cruise missiles are landing suddenly Kim Jong and that uniform seem harder to fight for, especially when your family is starving due to the economic sanctions.
And just a point on geography as number 24 has pointed out. Of the two countries in the Korean peninsula north Korea is the worst location, China to the north, Japan to the east, south Korea to the south leaves them locked in with no escape routes and difficult re supply routes.
I've recently seen a reporting of NK's education.
From Childhood on they are taught that the USA are evil and so are the SK brothers. They all have ploitical drill every week.
Now look how people take rubbish from Facebook for granted and now imagine hat brainwashing for a lifetime will do with their political beliefs.
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It is only my guess of course but I think that many north Korean officer and soldiers would not want to die for the dictator and many would want him to be killed or captured soon in the fight. I was a soldier in the army of the dictator and this makes me think when i see the soldiers around the North Koreans dictator that their support for him would not be as he expects.
This is also a very valid point. It's OK having a huge conscripted army to parade, but once the US fighters start flying over head amd the cruise missiles are landing suddenly Kim Jong and that uniform seem harder to fight for, especially when your family is starving due to the economic sanctions.
And just a point on geography as number 24 has pointed out. Of the two countries in the Korean peninsula north Korea is the worst location, China to the north, Japan to the east, south Korea to the south leaves them locked in with no escape routes and difficult re supply routes.
My point about the geographical was that South Korean (SK) civilians have very limited hopes of escape in case of war. At least in theory NK civilians can escape to China. We simply don't know how NK soldiers will react in case of war. In most dictatorships people have at least some knowledge about the outside world. When Iraq soldiers capitulated en masse in 1991, they knew the enemy was more powerful and likely to treat prisoners well. NK is the most isolated country in the world. A small number are guest workers in China, but everyone else have no real contact with foreigners. Their isolation is so great most didn't know America had put men on the moon, even as late as the 1980's. NK soldiers might think the enemy is weak and badly equiped, and likely to torture and kill prisoners.
Markus, i think it would not be correct (I don't know what word to use so I use correct) to think that South Korea after many decades of threats of war with the north that they do not develop a good system of defence for the civilians. Remember I speak about artillery and rocket attack here not nuclear war.
Seoul will be a big city yes? If it has ten million people then it must be big. To think that the North Koreans can fire artillery or rockets that will attack all of this city at once is just not true. The enemies would need many tens of thousands of guns to even be able to threaten this. Once they start to fire then counter fire from South Koreans and the Americans would be swift to knock many of their guns out after they have only fired a few salvos of shells. I think of the rocket system that the Americans used in iraq, MLR? These system will be in South Korea i think. The longer range rockets would be the danger but I think the anti rocket defence weapons could defeat those until they were found and destroyed.
To be safe from artillery and rockets fire, you do not need to have actual bomb shelters to be made for this, an underground car park or basement or tube line will protect from this. Also as I say, because of the fact that the North Koreans (or any other armies of the world) would have enough guns to attack the city all over at once, this means that people could be evacuated from the city and out of artillery range. I think the South Koreans must have drill for this situation?
Also the report from North Korea. Unless it was made by the insiders in North Korea then it can not be any more valid than other news that you mention. I think though that what you wrote will be true, but it is only correct I think to question that when other sources are questioned, yes?
Number 24. I think it might interest you when I say my own country had long relations with North Korea until very recent times. indeed this was military as well as political ties. the North Koreans did send their special troops to my country to train people. I was not one of these who was trained but it did happen.
I think also to how my country and the dictator who was a great admirer of the North Koreans dictator and even tried to make things in some way the same as that country. I was taught that white men were bad and that the west was bad and that Great Britain was very bad. We you could say were brainwashed. I could still perhaps think these things if I did not have what all people have, independence of mind. I think that for anyone to believe that all Koreans are brainwashed robots is unkind to them. When you are in a dictatorship you go with the dictator because of fear, that does not stop you making your own thoughts. For the North Korean soldiers to be faced with war from South Korea and America with weapons which they have no answer would soon see the collapse.
Do not think I am for any war. Any war would be tragedy. I only give my opinion on how I think any war would go if it happens.
I still think all white men are bad except for (only sometimes) higgins and number 24!! ) THIS IS JOKE!!!
What you write about the country you come from and NK is very interesting. I have talked to Syrian refugees and they tell me NK special forces are there too, fighting for Assad.
What you write about the country you come from and NK is very interesting. I have talked to Syrian refugees and they tell me NK special forces are there too, fighting for Assad.
Not correct = incorrect
I did not know this, it is interesting to know.
Just on the brainwashing again. I would just like to say that I was once a loyal supporter of my dictator, I joined the army to show this support. I changed my mind though and became an opponent instead. I think that even being taught the lessons that the dictator wants you to learn can never stop freedom of thoughts in everyone.
It is only my guess of course but I think that many north Korean officer and soldiers would not want to die for the dictator and many would want him to be killed or captured soon in the fight. I was a soldier in the army of the dictator and this makes me think when i see the soldiers around the North Koreans dictator that their support for him would not be as he expects.
This is also a very valid point. It's OK having a huge conscripted army to parade, but once the US fighters start flying over head amd the cruise missiles are landing suddenly Kim Jong and that uniform seem harder to fight for, especially when your family is starving due to the economic sanctions.
And just a point on geography as number 24 has pointed out. Of the two countries in the Korean peninsula north Korea is the worst location, China to the north, Japan to the east, south Korea to the south leaves them locked in with no escape routes and difficult re supply routes.
My point about the geographical was that South Korean (SK) civilians have very limited hopes of escape in case of war. At least in theory NK civilians can escape to China. We simply don't know how NK soldiers will react in case of war. In most dictatorships people have at least some knowledge about the outside world. When Iraq soldiers capitulated en masse in 1991, they knew the enemy was more powerful and likely to treat prisoners well. NK is the most isolated country in the world. A small number are guest workers in China, but everyone else have no real contact with foreigners. Their isolation is so great most didn't know America had put men on the moon, even as late as the 1980's. NK soldiers might think the enemy is weak and badly equiped, and likely to torture and kill prisoners.
I see your point with south Korea having no where to evacuate from by land. But don't forget that if war (which is unlikely) did happen south Korea would have resupply routes by sea and air the Chinese would not give north Korea safe or free access into China so they would be far more isolated.
The report was very interesting. I think we can conclude that NK's main strengths are the nuclear and missile program, their artillery and having lots of soldiers. I knew SK has and advanced and well-trained military. Just recently the Norwegian Army bought K9 Thunder artillery from them.
In case of a war NK civilians will try to escape to China. It is very much in question if their own governmet will let them go and if China wil let them in. Thank God it's unlikely there will be a war.
It occured to me that South Korea can be called the Israel of the Far East:
- perhaps USA's closest ally in the region
- economically and technologically advanced
- has a large military on a high level of readiness
- large producers of advanced military equipment
- A small country, desputed territory and animosity towards (some) neighbour country(ies)
I have just watched Doctor No. I wondered if in real life the Amercans are trying to interefere with south Koreans missiles to take them off course or explode with electronics measures? I wonder if this is even possible to do against a missile?
I have just watched Doctor No. I wondered if in real life the Amercans are trying to interefere with south Koreans missiles to take them off course or explode with electronics measures? I wonder if this is even possible to do against a missile?
There was "Star Wars" in America in the 80s where they would set up a system as a counter measure for nuclear attacks by destroying the missile while it was in space. At least, that's what I remember.
I don't think we're talking about shooting down these missile that are tested. If NK try to launch at Guam it's a different matter. My impression is hacking, radio waves and that sort of thing is used to make the missile crash or not lunch at all.
I don't think we're talking about shooting down these missile that are tested. If NK try to launch at Guam it's a different matter. My impression is hacking, radio waves and that sort of thing is used to make the missile crash or not lunch at all.
Yes this is what I mean. The toppling of the missiles as in Doctor No by interfering with the controls. I do not know if this is even possible to do in real life. Instead of bombing the Americans can frustrate the North Koreans missiles programmes by making them fail.
That the fact that that so many failures to launch or breaking up while in flight might be the bad engineering but could it also be the Americans are at work? Even if it was not the Americans would it be good for them to make everyone including the North Koreans to think they can do this? If so the North Koreans might not look for solution to the problems in their missiles but think it is the Americans who are causing them to fail?
I googled "North Korea missile launch US interference" and got many hits. Many believe this is happening Vice President Pence was asked about the issue and dodged the question.
The N.Koreans are nowhere as far advanced in missile technology as some make out.
They certainly aren't, North Korea are attempting a huge propaganda on these missiles, let's not forget the photoshopped photos of their military hovercraft, for them to take on the US is like an Asian hornet taking on a bald eagle. Rest easy that all the juxtapositioning will amount to....
Not an awful lot
It will probably and hopefully not lead to anything. The NK technology is weak and old-fashioned. Sometimes the missiles crash because of their own technology, other times their technology makes it possible for the US to intefere.
NK just fired a missile across Japan. This is so extreme even Russia and China is reacting with stern language. This has always been the strategy of the regime to provoke the world around them, enough to keep others on their toes. A bit like a school bully who throws tantrums to get out of class and ovoid following the rules. The question is if NK miscalculates and goes to far and triggers a war or some other unwanted consequence. Trump is inexperienced, impulsive and hehas said himself that he wants to be inpredictable. This is a worrying mix.
I have no doubt it was a very worrying situation for those in Northern Japan and completely un called for from NK. But I am sure they are cute enough to know upset Russia and China and they will be in the brown stuff.
Reminds me of Iraq where the regime kept feeding the leader on crap. Only this time they are backing it up with some reality ( with ability to project at least). But whether NK can load it with something nuclear will be interesting to see.
I am sure if NK pushes it too far we will just invade from the South and head North!
Interesting times ahead
Cheers :007)
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North Korea will find itself a very small and vulnerable little country soon. -{
I also don't think that it would be a disposable little country for Un as no other country would protect him.
NK has been small and vulnerable for a long time. That's why the regime feels it necessary to spend so much resources on missiles and atomic bombs. I'm not sure the people know how vulnerable and isolated the country is. When the last Kim died state TV showed the coffin ntercut with world leaders bowing and showing grief. The foreign leaders were reacting to other things than the death of The Great Leader, but how would North Koreans know? They are also shown images from the sums of other countries and are told that people in South Korea, the US and Europe are poor and starving while NK is doing well.
China is getting more and more tired of the NK regime, but they don't want South Korea on their doorstep.
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Strange but true: Like many other nations Norway sent a MASH hospital unit to the Korean war in the early 1950's. But when I was in the military I met the father of another soldier from my district. The father had been a paratrooper, and he told us about one of their instructors. The instructor had served in Korea, had PTS and a bayonet with many notches on it. I found this strange because all sources said only medical personell had been sent to the Korean war. A few years ago a journalist found the diary of a man who had served in Korea. He had served in an elite light infantry (Storm Troops) unit and had contacted recon missions and raids with other Norwegians. They had all been told not to speak of this to anyone. I e-mailed the journalist and hopefully I helped him a little bit find more information.
This is also a very valid point. It's OK having a huge conscripted army to parade, but once the US fighters start flying over head amd the cruise missiles are landing suddenly Kim Jong and that uniform seem harder to fight for, especially when your family is starving due to the economic sanctions.
And just a point on geography as number 24 has pointed out. Of the two countries in the Korean peninsula north Korea is the worst location, China to the north, Japan to the east, south Korea to the south leaves them locked in with no escape routes and difficult re supply routes.
There are over 10 million people in Seoul alone and large parts of their valuable industry, show me shelters for that amount of people.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I've recently seen a reporting of NK's education.
From Childhood on they are taught that the USA are evil and so are the SK brothers. They all have ploitical drill every week.
Now look how people take rubbish from Facebook for granted and now imagine hat brainwashing for a lifetime will do with their political beliefs.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
My point about the geographical was that South Korean (SK) civilians have very limited hopes of escape in case of war. At least in theory NK civilians can escape to China. We simply don't know how NK soldiers will react in case of war. In most dictatorships people have at least some knowledge about the outside world. When Iraq soldiers capitulated en masse in 1991, they knew the enemy was more powerful and likely to treat prisoners well. NK is the most isolated country in the world. A small number are guest workers in China, but everyone else have no real contact with foreigners. Their isolation is so great most didn't know America had put men on the moon, even as late as the 1980's. NK soldiers might think the enemy is weak and badly equiped, and likely to torture and kill prisoners.
Seoul will be a big city yes? If it has ten million people then it must be big. To think that the North Koreans can fire artillery or rockets that will attack all of this city at once is just not true. The enemies would need many tens of thousands of guns to even be able to threaten this. Once they start to fire then counter fire from South Koreans and the Americans would be swift to knock many of their guns out after they have only fired a few salvos of shells. I think of the rocket system that the Americans used in iraq, MLR? These system will be in South Korea i think. The longer range rockets would be the danger but I think the anti rocket defence weapons could defeat those until they were found and destroyed.
To be safe from artillery and rockets fire, you do not need to have actual bomb shelters to be made for this, an underground car park or basement or tube line will protect from this. Also as I say, because of the fact that the North Koreans (or any other armies of the world) would have enough guns to attack the city all over at once, this means that people could be evacuated from the city and out of artillery range. I think the South Koreans must have drill for this situation?
Also the report from North Korea. Unless it was made by the insiders in North Korea then it can not be any more valid than other news that you mention. I think though that what you wrote will be true, but it is only correct I think to question that when other sources are questioned, yes?
Number 24. I think it might interest you when I say my own country had long relations with North Korea until very recent times. indeed this was military as well as political ties. the North Koreans did send their special troops to my country to train people. I was not one of these who was trained but it did happen.
I think also to how my country and the dictator who was a great admirer of the North Koreans dictator and even tried to make things in some way the same as that country. I was taught that white men were bad and that the west was bad and that Great Britain was very bad. We you could say were brainwashed. I could still perhaps think these things if I did not have what all people have, independence of mind. I think that for anyone to believe that all Koreans are brainwashed robots is unkind to them. When you are in a dictatorship you go with the dictator because of fear, that does not stop you making your own thoughts. For the North Korean soldiers to be faced with war from South Korea and America with weapons which they have no answer would soon see the collapse.
Do not think I am for any war. Any war would be tragedy. I only give my opinion on how I think any war would go if it happens.
I still think all white men are bad except for (only sometimes) higgins and number 24!!
What you write about the country you come from and NK is very interesting. I have talked to Syrian refugees and they tell me NK special forces are there too, fighting for Assad.
Not correct = incorrect
I did not know this, it is interesting to know.
Just on the brainwashing again. I would just like to say that I was once a loyal supporter of my dictator, I joined the army to show this support. I changed my mind though and became an opponent instead. I think that even being taught the lessons that the dictator wants you to learn can never stop freedom of thoughts in everyone.
I see your point with south Korea having no where to evacuate from by land. But don't forget that if war (which is unlikely) did happen south Korea would have resupply routes by sea and air the Chinese would not give north Korea safe or free access into China so they would be far more isolated.
https://southfront.org/north-korea-vs-south-korea-comparison-of-military-capabilities-what-would-new-war-in-korea-look-like/
In case of a war NK civilians will try to escape to China. It is very much in question if their own governmet will let them go and if China wil let them in. Thank God it's unlikely there will be a war.
- perhaps USA's closest ally in the region
- economically and technologically advanced
- has a large military on a high level of readiness
- large producers of advanced military equipment
- A small country, desputed territory and animosity towards (some) neighbour country(ies)
Yes this is what I mean. The toppling of the missiles as in Doctor No by interfering with the controls. I do not know if this is even possible to do in real life. Instead of bombing the Americans can frustrate the North Koreans missiles programmes by making them fail.
That the fact that that so many failures to launch or breaking up while in flight might be the bad engineering but could it also be the Americans are at work? Even if it was not the Americans would it be good for them to make everyone including the North Koreans to think they can do this? If so the North Koreans might not look for solution to the problems in their missiles but think it is the Americans who are causing them to fail?
Not an awful lot
Reminds me of Iraq where the regime kept feeding the leader on crap. Only this time they are backing it up with some reality ( with ability to project at least). But whether NK can load it with something nuclear will be interesting to see.
I am sure if NK pushes it too far we will just invade from the South and head North!
Interesting times ahead
Cheers :007)
NK has been small and vulnerable for a long time. That's why the regime feels it necessary to spend so much resources on missiles and atomic bombs. I'm not sure the people know how vulnerable and isolated the country is. When the last Kim died state TV showed the coffin ntercut with world leaders bowing and showing grief. The foreign leaders were reacting to other things than the death of The Great Leader, but how would North Koreans know? They are also shown images from the sums of other countries and are told that people in South Korea, the US and Europe are poor and starving while NK is doing well.
China is getting more and more tired of the NK regime, but they don't want South Korea on their doorstep.