If the press conference and the start of shooting is delayed too it will get more difficult for EON to keep everything as secret as they have done so far. That's not really a good thing since it's nice to learn something new at teh press Conference, unlike the SPECTRE one.
It would be a nice way to put a positive spin on the delay message to confirm the old shooting start date (or make a new date official) and tell us the date of the press conference. I assume they know the first shooting date, whatever it is, by now. But perhaps EON aren't sure when the cast and locations will be locked down, so they don't dare mentioning any date for the press conference? They must know the rough plot outline they give the press on those occations by now. if not, they're in HUGE trouble.
It would be a nice way to put a positive spin on the delay message to confirm the old shooting start date (or make a new date official) and tell us the date of the press conference. I assume they know the first shooting date, whatever it is, by now. But perhaps EON aren't sure when the cast and locations will be locked down, so they don't dare mentioning any date for the press conference? They must know the rough plot outline they give the press on those occations by now. if not, they're in HUGE trouble.
All signs point to a business decision here. My guess is the production schedule remains largely unchanged.
It would be a nice way to put a positive spin on the delay message to confirm the old shooting start date (or make a new date official) and tell us the date of the press conference.
The Variety article does state that filming begins 4 March, which contradicts Sandgren's comment to Collider. The article also says Ben Whishaw is coming back but while Fiennes and Harris have both confirmed, Whishaw has made no public confirmations himself; instead there was only that one strange report in the two Irish media sources which no one else has repeated. https://variety.com/2019/film/news/bond-25-moved-back-april-2020-1203141557/
If the press conference/photo call is 28 February or 8 March as Archivo007 has claimed, then you would imagine they would have to invite people, what, at least a week before?
For Spectre, Baz Bamigboye in the Daily Mail reported when the press conference was going to happen, 3 December, 11 days ahead of time. On that basis, the media would have been told about a 28 February Bond 25 press conference this Monday, 18 February. For an 8 March conference, Monday 25 February.
Yes, the move of the Fast & Furious movie may have led to the new date for Bond25 but when you announce something is not necessarily when something is decided. BTS Bond 25 may have shown signs of needing more time and so Universal's management look at their options. Eventually, the decision is taken and eventually an announcement is made, at the right time.
Now could be the right time because in a few days or a week they probably would have had to send out the invites for a 28 Feb or 8 March Bond25 press conference, but they can't. I don't think the fact that they have started stunt training means anything. MI6-hq.co.uk has reported before that such preparation begins months before actual filming starts.
So, first you release the new release date and as the 4 March can no longer be justified, because people are expecting a start of filming press conference, they will send out invites to a Bond25 6 April press conference, and that will become trade press stories. I can imagine that in the next week or so we'll get a press conference date leaked/confirmed.
Virtually every time there has been doubts about the Bond25 process people have said, 'oh no, it'll be alright, it's just x, there won't be a delay'. And then there is a delay.
So that would mean a longer period for shooting and post-production?
If the reason behind the delay is more time working on the script is needed that would mean they'll start with the scenes they know are ready. I'm not sure that't very efficient, there are factors like locations and the availability of the cast too. We'll have to wait and see.
If this is true, I’m starting to think it might be time to scrap this film. Let Craig walk. Maybe they can get something together for a 2022 release... 8-)
The cost of scrapping this movie and start must be high, both in terms of money, reputation and public relations. The same goes for ditching Craig. I hope and believe they'll continue until this movie is finished.
If this is true, I’m starting to think it might be time to scrap this film. Let Craig walk. Maybe they can get something together for a 2022 release... 8-)
Not going to happen. Possible drama...maybe. Just because something gets put up on the 'net doesn't mean it's true or that it's being spun for optimum negativity by these websites just as EON would want to spin things in the most positive light. The tabs and 'net have been starved of any information by EON since the announcement that Fukunaga was replacing Boyle. Does that mean the final result will be no good....won't know until it gets up on the screen.
That all being said, script polishes are not unusual. One has to wonder if EON was being a little too ambitious with their original time frame after Boyle left. We don't know what kind of mess they were left with. I do think that the April release date is better for many reasons.
Multiple delays mean drama. Plain and simple. How great the drama? Who can say. All you can go off is the news reports and their recent track record. Their last Bond film production seemed like a mess. On appearances this is even worse. But who can say. It's easy to be critical but I don't think anyone can say with any confidence that these guys know exactly what they're doing given what's happened.
The fact that they have announced a delay glibly without explanation, followed very quickly by stories that a renowned script rescue doctor has been hired, a reported 2 weeks before the official shooting day, shows that they are having similar issues again. It's incredibly frustrating.
Spectre
3 December 2014 filming starts
UK release 26 October 2015
10 months 24 days of production
Skyfall
3 November 2011
UK release 26 October 2012
11 months 24 days
Quantum of Solace
November 2007 start http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7206997.stm
"Filming on the movie has been taking place at Pinewood since November."
UK release 29 October 2008
12 months 4 days (assuming 1 November start)
Yes there was some filming in August in Italy, but there is no way of knowing how much time to add to the official filming period.
Bond25
Release date of 8 April 2020 (UK release date maybe a week earlier?)
Based on the production periods for DC's other films, the start of filming could be as late as (with a short CR-like period) 23 June 2019, or if the filming period is as long as Quantum, then the start date is, drum roll please, 4 April 2019. Which is more or less what we are now expecting.
The average of Casino's 9 months 16 days and Quantum's 12 months 4 days is 325 days, which gives a filming start date of Sunday 19 May 2019. I think we can see that filming could start anytime from 6 April, the date Sandgren gave, and this June.
If the scene locations will not change and its just the dialogue in those scenes that changes then I guess the set designs and their construction can go ahead and 6 April, 7 weeks from now, could still be a start date.
If this is true, I’m starting to think it might be time to scrap this film. Let Craig walk. Maybe they can get something together for a 2022 release... 8-)
What have they been doing since finishing the lamentable SPECTRE ?
I'm inclined to agree with you. If they had let Craig go, recast and moved on we could have had a new film and a new Bond by now. If they could have got on with it as a final Craig outing it would have been ok but they don't seem capable of making the film.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
"We can also reveal that for most of the script Boyle was developing, Bond was incarcerated by the villain."
Isn't that what happens in Goldfinger? From about 50 minutes into the film when he's captured at the gold smelting plant, until the end of the film at Fort Knox, he's a captive of Goldfinger.
Spectre
3 December 2014 filming starts
UK release 26 October 2015
10 months 24 days of production
Skyfall
3 November 2011
UK release 26 October 2012
11 months 24 days
Quantum of Solace
November 2007 start http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7206997.stm
"Filming on the movie has been taking place at Pinewood since November."
UK release 29 October 2008
12 months 4 days (assuming 1 November start)
Yes there was some filming in August in Italy, but there is no way of knowing how much time to add to the official filming period.
Bond25
Release date of 8 April 2020 (UK release date maybe a week earlier?)
Based on the production periods for DC's other films, the start of filming could be as late as (with a short CR-like period) 23 June 2020, or if the filming period is as long as Quantum, then the start date is, drum roll please, 4 April 2019. Which is more or less what we are now expecting.
The average of Casino's 9 months 16 days and Quantum's 12 months 4 days is 325 days, which gives a filming start date of Sunday 19 May 2019. I think we can see that filming could start anytime from 6 April, the date Sandgren gave, and this June.
If the scene locations will not change and its just the dialogue in those scenes that changes then I guess the set designs and their construction can go ahead and 6 April, 7 weeks from now, could still be a start date.
So, no parkour on skis (unless they film in southern hemisphere, which seems unlikely).
I wonder what the next stage in the media management cycle is? With Spectre there was basically no more news after the June script rewrite leak until the Lea Seydoux rumours in early August. Maybe there will be cast confirmations just to balance out the negative with some positive.
If this is true, I’m starting to think it might be time to scrap this film. Let Craig walk. Maybe they can get something together for a 2022 release... 8-)
I am perfectly relaxed. I am just looking at the situation objectively
I'm really starting not to care.
same here -{
Apathy is definitely the next stage for me. Lots of good films, including Bond films, had tortured pre-productions. It’s not dispositive of the final outcome. But given what happened with Spectre, there is reason to be concerned here. And given how many years it’s taken just to get to this point, as a fan it’s tough to stay optimistic.
"We can also reveal that for most of the script Boyle was developing, Bond was incarcerated by the villain."
Isn't that what happens in Goldfinger? From about 50 minutes into the film when he's captured at the gold smelting plant, until the end of the film at Fort Knox, he's a captive of Goldfinger.
On a somewhat upbeat note, I think we should all breathe a sigh of relief that the Boyle/Hodge Bond film is not being made. It sounds worse and worse with each new piece of information that comes to light.
As I said last year it seems like there's no clear cut vision for what they want to do with Bond ever since he drove off with Madeline in 2015. Of course Craig's possibly not returning certainly was a likely factor in that, but even now even if it's just on the surface it looks like they dont really know what they want.
As I said last year it seems like there's no clear cut vision for what they want to do with Bond ever since he drove off with Madeline in 2015. Of course Craig's possibly not returning certainly was a likely factor in that, but even now even if it's just on the surface it looks like they dont really know what they want.
You were and are 100% correct. If we’re being honest, everyone (including Craig) seemed to realize that Spectre was the logical end of the line for his Bond. For reasons that one can guess, but which remain unknown, they changed course. And it doesn’t look like that decision was for the better.
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All signs point to a business decision here. My guess is the production schedule remains largely unchanged.
The Variety article does state that filming begins 4 March, which contradicts Sandgren's comment to Collider. The article also says Ben Whishaw is coming back but while Fiennes and Harris have both confirmed, Whishaw has made no public confirmations himself; instead there was only that one strange report in the two Irish media sources which no one else has repeated.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/bond-25-moved-back-april-2020-1203141557/
If the press conference/photo call is 28 February or 8 March as Archivo007 has claimed, then you would imagine they would have to invite people, what, at least a week before?
For Spectre, Baz Bamigboye in the Daily Mail reported when the press conference was going to happen, 3 December, 11 days ahead of time. On that basis, the media would have been told about a 28 February Bond 25 press conference this Monday, 18 February. For an 8 March conference, Monday 25 February.
Yes, the move of the Fast & Furious movie may have led to the new date for Bond25 but when you announce something is not necessarily when something is decided. BTS Bond 25 may have shown signs of needing more time and so Universal's management look at their options. Eventually, the decision is taken and eventually an announcement is made, at the right time.
Now could be the right time because in a few days or a week they probably would have had to send out the invites for a 28 Feb or 8 March Bond25 press conference, but they can't. I don't think the fact that they have started stunt training means anything. MI6-hq.co.uk has reported before that such preparation begins months before actual filming starts.
So, first you release the new release date and as the 4 March can no longer be justified, because people are expecting a start of filming press conference, they will send out invites to a Bond25 6 April press conference, and that will become trade press stories. I can imagine that in the next week or so we'll get a press conference date leaked/confirmed.
Virtually every time there has been doubts about the Bond25 process people have said, 'oh no, it'll be alright, it's just x, there won't be a delay'. And then there is a delay.
If the reason behind the delay is more time working on the script is needed that would mean they'll start with the scenes they know are ready. I'm not sure that't very efficient, there are factors like locations and the availability of the cast too. We'll have to wait and see.
https://theplaylist.net/exclusive-scott-z-burns-bond-25-20190216/
If this is true, I’m starting to think it might be time to scrap this film. Let Craig walk. Maybe they can get something together for a 2022 release... 8-)
Not going to happen. Possible drama...maybe. Just because something gets put up on the 'net doesn't mean it's true or that it's being spun for optimum negativity by these websites just as EON would want to spin things in the most positive light. The tabs and 'net have been starved of any information by EON since the announcement that Fukunaga was replacing Boyle. Does that mean the final result will be no good....won't know until it gets up on the screen.
That all being said, script polishes are not unusual. One has to wonder if EON was being a little too ambitious with their original time frame after Boyle left. We don't know what kind of mess they were left with. I do think that the April release date is better for many reasons.
The fact that they have announced a delay glibly without explanation, followed very quickly by stories that a renowned script rescue doctor has been hired, a reported 2 weeks before the official shooting day, shows that they are having similar issues again. It's incredibly frustrating.
Spectre
3 December 2014 filming starts
UK release 26 October 2015
10 months 24 days of production
Skyfall
3 November 2011
UK release 26 October 2012
11 months 24 days
Quantum of Solace
November 2007 start
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7206997.stm
"Filming on the movie has been taking place at Pinewood since November."
UK release 29 October 2008
12 months 4 days (assuming 1 November start)
Yes there was some filming in August in Italy, but there is no way of knowing how much time to add to the official filming period.
Casino Royale
30 January 2006
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_production_diary01.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21
UK release date 14 November 2006
9 months 16 days
Bond25
Release date of 8 April 2020 (UK release date maybe a week earlier?)
Based on the production periods for DC's other films, the start of filming could be as late as (with a short CR-like period) 23 June 2019, or if the filming period is as long as Quantum, then the start date is, drum roll please, 4 April 2019. Which is more or less what we are now expecting.
The average of Casino's 9 months 16 days and Quantum's 12 months 4 days is 325 days, which gives a filming start date of Sunday 19 May 2019. I think we can see that filming could start anytime from 6 April, the date Sandgren gave, and this June.
"The filmmaker is now in London and will be spending at least 4 weeks rewriting the ‘Bond 25’ script..."
https://theplaylist.net/exclusive-scott-z-burns-bond-25-20190216/
If the scene locations will not change and its just the dialogue in those scenes that changes then I guess the set designs and their construction can go ahead and 6 April, 7 weeks from now, could still be a start date.
I'm really starting not to care.
What have they been doing since finishing the lamentable SPECTRE ?
I'm inclined to agree with you. If they had let Craig go, recast and moved on we could have had a new film and a new Bond by now. If they could have got on with it as a final Craig outing it would have been ok but they don't seem capable of making the film.
"We can also reveal that for most of the script Boyle was developing, Bond was incarcerated by the villain."
Isn't that what happens in Goldfinger? From about 50 minutes into the film when he's captured at the gold smelting plant, until the end of the film at Fort Knox, he's a captive of Goldfinger.
So, no parkour on skis (unless they film in southern hemisphere, which seems unlikely).
Darn.
February 5th
Bond25 cinematographer Linus Sandgren mentions 6 April filming start date in passing...
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1092606350612299777
February 15th
April 2020 release date announced.
http://www.007.com/bond-25-update/
February 16th
Script re-write 'leaked'.
https://theplaylist.net/exclusive-scott-z-burns-bond-25-20190216/
Spectre's re-writes were a lot earlier in the pre-production process. June 2014 it was reported.
https://variety.com/2014/film/news/neal-purvis-robert-wade-write-24th-james-bond-movie-1201253200/
I wonder what the next stage in the media management cycle is? With Spectre there was basically no more news after the June script rewrite leak until the Lea Seydoux rumours in early August. Maybe there will be cast confirmations just to balance out the negative with some positive.
Apathy is definitely the next stage for me. Lots of good films, including Bond films, had tortured pre-productions. It’s not dispositive of the final outcome. But given what happened with Spectre, there is reason to be concerned here. And given how many years it’s taken just to get to this point, as a fan it’s tough to stay optimistic.
On a somewhat upbeat note, I think we should all breathe a sigh of relief that the Boyle/Hodge Bond film is not being made. It sounds worse and worse with each new piece of information that comes to light.
Which was mentioned on AJB many months ago
You were and are 100% correct. If we’re being honest, everyone (including Craig) seemed to realize that Spectre was the logical end of the line for his Bond. For reasons that one can guess, but which remain unknown, they changed course. And it doesn’t look like that decision was for the better.