Garden of death was cool in the 1950s when Japan was quite a mysterious place but we moved on a lot in the last 70 years.
As much as Fleming afficionados still feel keen on it, the contemporary moviegoer may wonder, if that title could mean the murderer in a Home Depot )
Yeah ive also had that view.
For the average movie goer anything with “Garden” in it sounds a bit meh and not exciting.
Jamesbonddownunder reporting the role names of Ana de Armas & Lashana Lynch:
Great; thanks. I guess there's not much to pull out from that other than Bond probably meets Paloma in Italy by the sound of her name..?
Nomi might be British (as the actor), might not be: no way of telling from the name. They don't usually get Brits to play foreign I think, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
Jamesbonddownunder reporting the role names of Ana de Armas & Lashana Lynch:
She is an absolute beauty. Only 30 though so hope it's not a lover role. Would like it to be a bit like AVTAK in so much that the age gap was acknowledged. That could play really well with Craig in a if I were 10 years younger kind of way.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I don't think Ana de Armas' actual age is a problem, but I think she looks young for her age. I think she looks more like a 20 y o and that might look bad next to the 51 y o Daniel Craig.
I don't think Ana de Armas' actual age is a problem, but I think she looks young for her age. I think she looks more like a 20 y o and that might look bad next to the 51 y o Daniel Craig.
Having read the official synopsis I have to admit that I do not mind that plot outline at all. A kidnapped scientist? Sounds like it could be a good caper. I am still quite nervous about the film but that synopsis doesn't sound too bad at all. What else they're going to throw in there who can say hey...
Jamesbonddownunder reporting the role names of Ana de Armas & Lashana Lynch:
Great; thanks. I guess there's not much to pull out from that other than Bond probably meets Paloma in Italy by the sound of her name..?
Nomi might be British (as the actor), might not be: no way of telling from the name. They don't usually get Brits to play foreign I think, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
A Paloma is a tequila and grapefruit based cocktail that originated in Mexico. The word is Spanish. Her heritage is Cuban. What if Bond has retired to Jamaica with her? That would throw a curve ball in the assumption that he starts out with Madeleine!
Looking at the brief plot synopsis, it might be a bit of fun if when Felix approaches Bond about getting back into the fray and helping him, Bond's initial response is "I'd rather slit my wrists....."
Great; thanks. I guess there's not much to pull out from that other than Bond probably meets Paloma in Italy by the sound of her name..?
A Paloma is a tequila and grapefruit based cocktail that originated in Mexico. The word is Spanish. Her heritage is Cuban. What if Bond has retired to Jamaica with her? That would throw a curve ball in the assumption that he starts out with Madeleine!
SP finished with Bond and Madeline together, but B25 (in which Madeleine is confirmed to return) starts with Bond retired on a beach somewhere with another woman...how would that work?? I guess a flashback of her death between films could work, but I think they should do a much better job than that.
This is an interesting article - Broccoli touches on the #Metoo movement and how it has influenced Bond
I totally agree With what she says about a female Bond and the role of women in Bond movies. You don't serve the role of women in film by making male characters female or visa versa. The right way is to write intersting female characters.
Jamesbonddownunder reporting the role names of Ana de Armas & Lashana Lynch:
Great; thanks. I guess there's not much to pull out from that other than Bond probably meets Paloma in Italy by the sound of her name..?
Nomi might be British (as the actor), might not be: no way of telling from the name. They don't usually get Brits to play foreign I think, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
A Paloma is a tequila and grapefruit based cocktail that originated in Mexico. The word is Spanish. Her heritage is Cuban. What if Bond has retired to Jamaica with her? That would throw a curve ball in the assumption that he starts out with Madeleine!
Sounds good, yeah. It'd be nice if Felix's mission has him cross frosty paths with Madeline and we find out exactly what caused them to split. A bit like how Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol did something more interesting than just kill Ethan's wife from the previous film off.
Weirdly I wouldn't mind his new lady getting offed at the beginning: I wouldn't want Madeline killed at the beginning just for the sake of convenience.
Sounds good, yeah. It'd be nice if Felix's mission has him cross frosty paths with Madeline and we find out exactly what caused them to split. A bit like how Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol did something more interesting than just kill Ethan's wife from the previous film off.
Weirdly I wouldn't mind his new lady getting offed at the beginning: I wouldn't want Madeline killed at the beginning just for the sake of convenience.
I think people are getting a bit presumptuous. Paloma might be another Valenka and simply Rami Malek's girlfriend. Or maybe she's another Strawberry Fields, shagged and killed.
I am perplexed about Madeleine's role in this film. Why didn't they just write her out as an ex-girlfriend? How does Leiter convince Bond to leave the woman he left MI6 for?
Sounds good, yeah. It'd be nice if Felix's mission has him cross frosty paths with Madeline and we find out exactly what caused them to split. A bit like how Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol did something more interesting than just kill Ethan's wife from the previous film off.
Weirdly I wouldn't mind his new lady getting offed at the beginning: I wouldn't want Madeline killed at the beginning just for the sake of convenience.
That's an interesting take. My lazy assumption was that Bond was living with Madeleine in Jamaica. There are certainly many different possible scenarios of how Madeleine could be involved in Bond 25. In addition to Emtiem's scenario:
- Madeleine is dead and only appears in flashback
- Madeleine is murdered (ala OHMSS) sometime during the film (possibly after being married to Bond)
- Madeleine and Bond have become estranged and Madeleine reemerges with the bad guys or has some connection to the bad guys
or the missing scientists
- Madeleine turns out to be the main villain (least likely IMO)
Just another aside, Lashana Lynch would make a fine MI6 agent or other "00" but while it wouldn't be a deal breaker, I'd prefer that she not have been given the 007 number.
My assumption is that Bond isn't with Madeline at the start. Naomie Harris said this takes place a bit of time after Spectre (she said something about Moneypenny having grown a lot since the last time we saw her). I don't see the character of Bond having been with a woman that long. I think the whole Madeline is the new Tracy thing is not the route they're going down...
My assumption is that Bond isn't with Madeline at the start. Naomie Harris said this takes place a bit of time after Spectre (she said something about Moneypenny having grown a lot since the last time we saw her). I don't see the character of Bond having been with a woman that long. I think the whole Madeline is the new Tracy thing is not the route they're going down...
It would actually be nice if they took some of the personal emo stuff out this time around. It looks like there is the potential for a relatively straight ahead mission this time around, with the difference of course that Bond is either retired from active service or something to that effect and coming back.
My assumption is that Bond isn't with Madeline at the start. Naomie Harris said this takes place a bit of time after Spectre (she said something about Moneypenny having grown a lot since the last time we saw her). I don't see the character of Bond having been with a woman that long. I think the whole Madeline is the new Tracy thing is not the route they're going down...
It would actually be nice if they took some of the personal emo stuff out this time around. It looks like there is the potential for a relatively straight ahead mission this time around, with the difference of course that Bond is either retired from active service or something to that effect and coming back.
It would add intrigue if Madeleine showed up later in a mysterious role after a period of estrangement from Bond. They could play upon their past relationship, but it wouldn’t bog down the narrative with a linear love story. This is still James Bond after all. Not exactly a noted monogamist.
Garden of death was cool in the 1950s when Japan was quite a mysterious place but we moved on a lot in the last 70 years.
As much as Fleming afficionados still feel keen on it, the contemporary moviegoer may wonder, if that title could mean the murderer in a Home Depot )
Yeah ive also had that view.
For the average movie goer anything with “Garden” in it sounds a bit meh and not exciting.
Sorry but... people do talk some crap don't they )
Looking at the brief plot synopsis, it might be a bit of fun if when Felix approaches Bond about getting back into the fray and helping him, Bond's initial response is "I'd rather slit my wrists....."
That would be brilliant and would add some definite laughs to the cinema
My assumption is that Bond isn't with Madeline at the start. Naomie Harris said this takes place a bit of time after Spectre (she said something about Moneypenny having grown a lot since the last time we saw her). I don't see the character of Bond having been with a woman that long. I think the whole Madeline is the new Tracy thing is not the route they're going down...
Well, I guess in the glimpse we got of Bond's shack (and do they ever specially build something if they're not going to blow it up? ) it didn't look very big: is there room for two in there or is his on his own?
I rather like the idea of finding him alone at the beginning and discovering where Madeline went during the film. Perhaps she had something she needed to go and do.
My assumption is that Bond isn't with Madeline at the start. Naomie Harris said this takes place a bit of time after Spectre (she said something about Moneypenny having grown a lot since the last time we saw her). I don't see the character of Bond having been with a woman that long. I think the whole Madeline is the new Tracy thing is not the route they're going down...
It would actually be nice if they took some of the personal emo stuff out this time around. It looks like there is the potential for a relatively straight ahead mission this time around, with the difference of course that Bond is either retired from active service or something to that effect and coming back.
I don't think having a bit of character drama is 'emo'. And as Bond is retired and helping a friend, plus the woman he left the service for is also in the film; it's not going to be a standard mission with no personal connections I'm afraid. And that's good- I wouldn't want it not to be- we're all talking about where Bond is and what the status of his relationship with Madeline and even Q's cats, for heaven's sake! Let's not pretend we're not interested in this stuff!
Perhaps Madeline is the Scientist that's kidnapped? She is a Doctor, perhaps after leaving Bond she moved into the research side to bury herself deeper in obscurity?
It appears his domicile consists of more houses.
The first is directly at the beach with a terrace (photo 1).
The second one seems to ve more in the jungle with the pond in front of it (photo 2).
Perhaps Madeline is the Scientist that's kidnapped? She is a Doctor, perhaps after leaving Bond she moved into the research side to bury herself deeper in obscurity?
I think it's Q. Why else would Bond join the mission?
Perhaps Madeline is the Scientist that's kidnapped? She is a Doctor, perhaps after leaving Bond she moved into the research side to bury herself deeper in obscurity?
I think it's Q. Why else would Bond join the mission?
I would highly doubt that it is Q. Why would it be the CIA and not MI6 going full throttle after Q?
I'm guessing that Q has his usual role in the film.
Perhaps Madeline is the Scientist that's kidnapped? She is a Doctor, perhaps after leaving Bond she moved into the research side to bury herself deeper in obscurity?
I think it's Q. Why else would Bond join the mission?
I’m assuming at this point he joins because Felix asks him to, and he’s a mate. I think that’s rather good, as I don’t see Bond going back if MI6 asked him.
Plus his beachside shack has presumably blown up by then!
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Maybe the title is The Spy Who Doved Me? ....I'll get my coat.
"The very words I live by."
Yeah ive also had that view.
For the average movie goer anything with “Garden” in it sounds a bit meh and not exciting.
I would if I were you
Great; thanks. I guess there's not much to pull out from that other than Bond probably meets Paloma in Italy by the sound of her name..?
Nomi might be British (as the actor), might not be: no way of telling from the name. They don't usually get Brits to play foreign I think, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
She is an absolute beauty. Only 30 though so hope it's not a lover role. Would like it to be a bit like AVTAK in so much that the age gap was acknowledged. That could play really well with Craig in a if I were 10 years younger kind of way.
This is an interesting article - Broccoli touches on the #Metoo movement and how it has influenced Bond
A Paloma is a tequila and grapefruit based cocktail that originated in Mexico. The word is Spanish. Her heritage is Cuban. What if Bond has retired to Jamaica with her? That would throw a curve ball in the assumption that he starts out with Madeleine!
SP finished with Bond and Madeline together, but B25 (in which Madeleine is confirmed to return) starts with Bond retired on a beach somewhere with another woman...how would that work?? I guess a flashback of her death between films could work, but I think they should do a much better job than that.
I totally agree With what she says about a female Bond and the role of women in Bond movies. You don't serve the role of women in film by making male characters female or visa versa. The right way is to write intersting female characters.
Sounds good, yeah. It'd be nice if Felix's mission has him cross frosty paths with Madeline and we find out exactly what caused them to split. A bit like how Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol did something more interesting than just kill Ethan's wife from the previous film off.
Weirdly I wouldn't mind his new lady getting offed at the beginning: I wouldn't want Madeline killed at the beginning just for the sake of convenience.
I think people are getting a bit presumptuous. Paloma might be another Valenka and simply Rami Malek's girlfriend. Or maybe she's another Strawberry Fields, shagged and killed.
I am perplexed about Madeleine's role in this film. Why didn't they just write her out as an ex-girlfriend? How does Leiter convince Bond to leave the woman he left MI6 for?
Weirdly I wouldn't mind his new lady getting offed at the beginning: I wouldn't want Madeline killed at the beginning just for the sake of convenience.
That's an interesting take. My lazy assumption was that Bond was living with Madeleine in Jamaica. There are certainly many different possible scenarios of how Madeleine could be involved in Bond 25. In addition to Emtiem's scenario:
- Madeleine is dead and only appears in flashback
- Madeleine is murdered (ala OHMSS) sometime during the film (possibly after being married to Bond)
- Madeleine and Bond have become estranged and Madeleine reemerges with the bad guys or has some connection to the bad guys
or the missing scientists
- Madeleine turns out to be the main villain (least likely IMO)
Just another aside, Lashana Lynch would make a fine MI6 agent or other "00" but while it wouldn't be a deal breaker, I'd prefer that she not have been given the 007 number.
It would actually be nice if they took some of the personal emo stuff out this time around. It looks like there is the potential for a relatively straight ahead mission this time around, with the difference of course that Bond is either retired from active service or something to that effect and coming back.
It would add intrigue if Madeleine showed up later in a mysterious role after a period of estrangement from Bond. They could play upon their past relationship, but it wouldn’t bog down the narrative with a linear love story. This is still James Bond after all. Not exactly a noted monogamist.
Sorry but... people do talk some crap don't they
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
That would be brilliant and would add some definite laughs to the cinema
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Well, I guess in the glimpse we got of Bond's shack (and do they ever specially build something if they're not going to blow it up?
I rather like the idea of finding him alone at the beginning and discovering where Madeline went during the film. Perhaps she had something she needed to go and do.
I don't think having a bit of character drama is 'emo'. And as Bond is retired and helping a friend, plus the woman he left the service for is also in the film; it's not going to be a standard mission with no personal connections I'm afraid. And that's good- I wouldn't want it not to be- we're all talking about where Bond is and what the status of his relationship with Madeline and even Q's cats, for heaven's sake! Let's not pretend we're not interested in this stuff!
It appears his domicile consists of more houses.
The first is directly at the beach with a terrace (photo 1).
The second one seems to ve more in the jungle with the pond in front of it (photo 2).
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I think it's Q. Why else would Bond join the mission?
I would highly doubt that it is Q. Why would it be the CIA and not MI6 going full throttle after Q?
I'm guessing that Q has his usual role in the film.
I’m assuming at this point he joins because Felix asks him to, and he’s a mate. I think that’s rather good, as I don’t see Bond going back if MI6 asked him.
Plus his beachside shack has presumably blown up by then!