I thought there were independent outfits who made trailers, so it would make sense that NTTD's trailer might resemble Spectre's if they were made by the same people.
I'm sure the director has input and probably the producers, but identifying the auteur of a movie trailer would seem to be tricky business.
Agreed. Much ado about 2.5 minutes. Looks like it’ll be a fun movie and I’ll do my part to make it a fun experience by not double guessing which ad company inspired whatever scene.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
It's Forster who uses a much more muted color palette (cold, really, even in some of the tropical scenes) and who started the trend of minimalism in screen composition in Craig's Bond films -- large spaces without much in them, for instance, or villain lairs that are virtually deserted. Mind you, this isn't the first time. TMWTGG did much the same, but there was a story consideration, as Scaramanga's lair did not represent the typical megalomaniacal villain's but simply a highly-paid assassin's.
Even the GF "homage" saps the scene of color and relies more on black and white contrast:
I too was puzzled by Gassy Man's post. When I saw the trailer I thought it was different from Mendes. Mendes often uses muted colours and has a slower, moody feel to what he shoots. This trailer sparkles with colour, the action scenes are vibrant and full of spectacle. For the first time in Craig's tenure the trailer even has jokes!
What you said about Mendes's shots "like he was trying to compose images for an art magazine" is how I see it too, but that's often a good thing. But I don't see at all how Foster does more of this?? Foster is less conserned with composing pretty, painterly images than most Bond directors, he seemed more interested in shooting like the Bourne movies and cutting every other second.
It's tough when using screen caps, both because of availability and because the color and intensity can vary according to how the image was displayed and captured, but perhaps these show what I mean. Now, I'm not saying they're literally identical, but the look and in some cases basic idea are similar enough to blur the line. It's not just that the cinematography and camera angles feel similar but even the color schemes, lighting, and costuming:
I actually commented on the falling/jumping off a bridge scenes in both SF and NTTD myself yesterday, but I guess that's down to the scriptwriters. Having scenes in blue light is often done in films, James Cameron is known to like it, but as far as I know neither Mendes or Fukunaga are known for it. Neither is having the hero in light brown jackets good proof the directors haver the same style. I think the difference between the SPECTRE teaser trailer and the new one shows what I'm thinking of. But it's not all clean cut, for example the trailer for SF is in fact pretty colourful. I just don't think Fukunaga doesn't remind me particularely of Mendes. I think much of what you point out can be said of lots of directors in the genere.
It's Forster who uses a much more muted color palette (cold, really, even in some of the tropical scenes) and who started the trend of minimalism in screen composition in Craig's Bond films -- large spaces without much in them, for instance, or villain lairs that are virtually deserted. Mind you, this isn't the first time. TMWTGG did much the same, but there was a story consideration, as Scaramanga's lair did not represent the typical megalomaniacal villain's but simply a highly-paid assassin's.
Even the GF "homage" saps the scene of color and relies more on black and white contrast:
I agree on Mendes and Foster liking a muted colour palette, but I don't think Fukunaga does much of that. The exception is his "Jane Eyre", but but that time it fitted both the mood and the location. The frozen lake scenes in NTTD has very muted colours, but in the winter we really have shades of frey and blue. I think it will be a great contrast to the vibrant colours of Jamaica.
I don't think the angle on the AM with the machine guns says much about the directors. It's a pretty obvious angle I would think.
I too was puzzled by Gassy Man's post. When I saw the trailer I thought it was different from Mendes. Mendes often uses muted colours and has a slower, moody feel to what he shoots. This trailer sparkles with colour, the action scenes are vibrant and full of spectacle. For the first time in Craig's tenure the trailer even has jokes!
What you said about Mendes's shots "like he was trying to compose images for an art magazine" is how I see it too, but that's often a good thing. But I don't see at all how Foster does more of this?? Foster is less conserned with composing pretty, painterly images than most Bond directors, he seemed more interested in shooting like the Bourne movies and cutting every other second.
It's tough when using screen caps, both because of availability and because the color and intensity can vary according to how the image was displayed and captured, but perhaps these show what I mean. Now, I'm not saying they're literally identical, but the look and in some cases basic idea are similar enough to blur the line. It's not just that the cinematography and camera angles feel similar but even the color schemes, lighting, and costuming:
I surrender......after seeing the teaser trailer I have no doubt that NTTD will look exactly like Skyfall, SPECTRE and QOS. In fact I believe that they never really filmed NTTD they just inserted some new actors into existing footage from those three previous films.
In fact, NTTD doesn't really exist....it's a fake film meant to distract the public from the real Bond 25 which is the Rhythm Section with a new female James Bond 007 (the code name theory you know) with Rami Malek as Dr. No. )
Others may completely disagree with this and just see it as lazy from the filmmakers, but this being Craig’s last, I don’t mind a couple of little throwbacks (if they are intentional or not) to his previous films such as the bridge scene, cinematography of certain shots and colours of outfits.
Others may completely disagree with this and just see it as lazy from the filmmakers, but this being Craig’s last, I don’t mind a couple of little throwbacks (if they are intentional or not) to his previous films such as the bridge scene, cinematography of certain shots and colours of outfits.
I like seeing him fall off the bridge, and this time he doesn't seem to "die". Though maybe he does again.
I too was puzzled by Gassy Man's post. When I saw the trailer I thought it was different from Mendes. Mendes often uses muted colours and has a slower, moody feel to what he shoots. This trailer sparkles with colour, the action scenes are vibrant and full of spectacle. For the first time in Craig's tenure the trailer even has jokes!
What you said about Mendes's shots "like he was trying to compose images for an art magazine" is how I see it too, but that's often a good thing. But I don't see at all how Foster does more of this?? Foster is less conserned with composing pretty, painterly images than most Bond directors, he seemed more interested in shooting like the Bourne movies and cutting every other second.
It's tough when using screen caps, both because of availability and because the color and intensity can vary according to how the image was displayed and captured, but perhaps these show what I mean. Now, I'm not saying they're literally identical, but the look and in some cases basic idea are similar enough to blur the line. It's not just that the cinematography and camera angles feel similar but even the color schemes, lighting, and costuming:
I actually commented on the falling/jumping off a bridge scenes in both SF and NTTD myself yesterday, but I guess that's down to the scriptwriters. Having scenes in blue light is often done in films, James Cameron is known to like it, but as far as I know neither Mendes or Fukunaga are known for it. Neither is having the hero in light brown jackets good proof the directors haver the same style. I think the difference between the SPECTRE teaser trailer and the new one shows what I'm thinking of. But it's not all clean cut, for example the trailer for SF is in fact pretty colourful. I just don't think Fukunaga doesn't remind me particularely of Mendes. I think much of what you point out can be said of lots of directors in the genere.
Eh, people can certainly disagree, but the NTTD trailer scenes make me think a lot of Mendes' efforts. If I hadn't been told it was a different director, I would have assumed it was him. They don't remind me of Forster's style -- he's the one who's muted -- except for the minimalist approach and the camera flying toward a cityscape. They don't look like the work of any of the other directors in the Bond family, either.
Could they all look similar because they are all....gasp...James Bond films? )
Seriously folks.....all the Craig Bond trailers have been good (a couple better than the actual films IMO).
So common sense (and box office numbers) would probably dictate that be be relatively similar.
As I've said all along......I'll pass judgement when I actually see the film in April.
The trailer didn’t remind me of Mendes at all. Especially not Spectre, with that piss-colored filter. Here we could actually see colors again!
I completely forgot about that! Hopefully the new director and cinematographer mean we might get a natural look again. Does either Fukunaga or Sandgren have a set style they use for each of their productions?? The trailer looks good colour wise so fingers crossed the finished product will be the same.
The trailer didn’t remind me of Mendes at all. Especially not Spectre, with that piss-colored filter. Here we could actually see colors again!
I completely forgot about that! Hopefully the new director and cinematographer mean we might get a natural look again. Does either Fukunaga or Sandgren have a set style they use for each of their productions?? The trailer looks good colour wise so fingers crossed the finished product will be the same.
I would hope that Fukunaga and Sandgren are flexible enough to shoot to the benefit of the story and visuals and the trailer seems to exemplify that. I also would think that they would want to take full advantage of the incredible depth of field and ultra high definition of the 70mm IMAX cameras utilized in some scenes. The scene on the ice in Norway looks to be visually stunning (imagine that on a 60 ft wide theater screen) with the way the small amount of colors really pop against all the white. The other thing is whether or not the scenes shot in IMAX will be shown in the taller IMAX ratio or if the IMAX version of the film will be entirely formatted in the 2.39 to 1 Panavision ratio that most of the film was shot in. Sangren was DP on First Man and the scenes shot in 70mm IMAX were shown in the expanded aspect ratio in IMAX theaters but Fukunaga did not direct that.
Bautista's in Dune which was shooting between March and July and then he started filming "Army of the Dead" in July, so I doubt we'll see Mr. Hinx in NTTD, which is sad because he's one of the few good henchmen of the Craig-era and one of the few good things about Spectre.
I surrender......after seeing the teaser trailer I have no doubt that NTTD will look exactly like Skyfall, SPECTRE and QOS. In fact I believe that they never really filmed NTTD they just inserted some new actors into existing footage from those three previous films.
In fact, NTTD doesn't really exist....it's a fake film meant to distract the public from the real Bond 25 which is the Rhythm Section with a new female James Bond 007 (the code name theory you know) with Rami Malek as Dr. No. )
To expand on what Gassy Man said in the previous pages, I'd like to say that I found the action seen in the trailer in this interesting because it felt a lot more "classic Bond" than what Mendes ever did shots wise.
For example, the armrest.
Mendes in the Skyfall lodge scene used the sound and the guns deploying as a means to show what Bond did in the car while we actually get a good look of it here, we never got to see it in Skyfall
like we used to in Goldfinger or before it was even used in Thunderball
The foot cams classically in Bond films have either been misused (being too short)
or just to extend an action, like it was done in Die Another Day or Quantum of Solace
one using it to show that time is a factor
and the other using it as a means to show his efforts it were ultimately hopeless.
Here, every shot we've had of the armrest or the footcam is like the old ones where we're gonna get payoff out of that action and we know what's going on.
GoldenEye did the same thing when Bond was shifting gears there. Exposition and pay off, the way I'd do it if I were a director
At least that's what I think by a few janky shots if I were to try and justify the why of it if I was in the director's place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Actually, I find the "sameness" of the trailer kind of reassuring. A lot of the news that has been coming out has had people hitting the panic button. . ."James Bond is NOT going to be 007! It's a woman of color!," etc., etc. The trailer simply says, "This is a Bond film." That's all it knows on earth, and all it needs to know.
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Actually, I find the "sameness" of the trailer kind of reassuring. A lot of the news that has been coming out has had people hitting the panic button. . ."James Bond is NOT going to be 007! It's a woman of color!," etc., etc. The trailer simply says, "This is a Bond film." That's all it knows on earth, and all it needs to know.
The sales for Preparation H is spiking right now because of over anxious Bond fans )
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I surrender......after seeing the teaser trailer I have no doubt that NTTD will look exactly like Skyfall, SPECTRE and QOS. In fact I believe that they never really filmed NTTD they just inserted some new actors into existing footage from those three previous films.
In fact, NTTD doesn't really exist....it's a fake film meant to distract the public from the real Bond 25 which is the Rhythm Section with a new female James Bond 007 (the code name theory you know) with Rami Malek as Dr. No. )
I'm liking your thinking! )
very funny but makes a valid point i did have a strong sensecof having been here before, more jumping off Bridges, more Bond (if inded it is him ) underwater, more Motorbikes...but i did like the look of it, and the nicely judged humour of 'Bond. James Bond'.
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I surrender......after seeing the teaser trailer I have no doubt that NTTD will look exactly like Skyfall, SPECTRE and QOS. In fact I believe that they never really filmed NTTD they just inserted some new actors into existing footage from those three previous films.
In fact, NTTD doesn't really exist....it's a fake film meant to distract the public from the real Bond 25 which is the Rhythm Section with a new female James Bond 007 (the code name theory you know) with Rami Malek as Dr. No. )
I'm liking your thinking! )
very funny but makes a valid point i did have a strong sensecof having been here before, more jumping off Bridges, more Bond (if inded it is him ) underwater, more Motorbikes...but i did like the look of it, and the nicely judged humour of 'Bond. James Bond'.
Yes....sometimes there is the ring of underlying truth in the absurd. Lets face it, this is the 25th "official" Bond film, not to mention the incredible number of other spy/action films that Bond has spawned over the years. From every silly cheap Bond knock-off to Bourne and the MI films there hasn't been much that hasn't been done. I think the issue at hand is not so much what they are doing but how well it's done. For example, the car chase in SPECTRE was a snoozefest while the PTS car chase in QOS IMO was top notch and quite good (an example of where the quick cut edit style was actually used to good effect). Every Craig film has a had a terrific hand to hand fight scene (something DC really seems to excel at and the current EON fight coordinators take good advantage of) which is a Bond tradition going back to the train fight in FRWL. Not to knock the MI films, but for all Cruise's death defying real stunts, the fight scenes, while well done, always appear overly choreographed and a bit too "cartoonish" while DC's Bond fights are very convincing and much more grounded in reality. I do like the sardonic humor that seems to be evident from the trailer and hopefully that is reflective of some better writing overall for NTTD.
Bautista's in Dune which was shooting between March and July and then he started filming "Army of the Dead" in July, so I doubt we'll see Mr. Hinx in NTTD, which is sad because he's one of the few good henchmen of the Craig-era and one of the few good things about Spectre.
Gamesradar.com has a trailer Q&A interview with Fukunaga. It was published four days ago, I'm amazed I hadn't seen it before. I can't see anything spoilerish in it. Some interesting cryptic comments, that's about it.
I think the interiew is interesting. Clearly Fukunaga at least tried to get Grace Jones for a camoe in the movie. And Ana des Armas' role was created and written for her.
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Agreed. Much ado about 2.5 minutes. Looks like it’ll be a fun movie and I’ll do my part to make it a fun experience by not double guessing which ad company inspired whatever scene.
Even the GF "homage" saps the scene of color and relies more on black and white contrast:
I think JET was talking about the trailer in theatres, not the film itself.
Correct, JTM, but I see what Gassy was going for!
I actually commented on the falling/jumping off a bridge scenes in both SF and NTTD myself yesterday, but I guess that's down to the scriptwriters. Having scenes in blue light is often done in films, James Cameron is known to like it, but as far as I know neither Mendes or Fukunaga are known for it. Neither is having the hero in light brown jackets good proof the directors haver the same style. I think the difference between the SPECTRE teaser trailer and the new one shows what I'm thinking of. But it's not all clean cut, for example the trailer for SF is in fact pretty colourful. I just don't think Fukunaga doesn't remind me particularely of Mendes. I think much of what you point out can be said of lots of directors in the genere.
I agree on Mendes and Foster liking a muted colour palette, but I don't think Fukunaga does much of that. The exception is his "Jane Eyre", but but that time it fitted both the mood and the location. The frozen lake scenes in NTTD has very muted colours, but in the winter we really have shades of frey and blue. I think it will be a great contrast to the vibrant colours of Jamaica.
I don't think the angle on the AM with the machine guns says much about the directors. It's a pretty obvious angle I would think.
score will be top notch.
I surrender......after seeing the teaser trailer I have no doubt that NTTD will look exactly like Skyfall, SPECTRE and QOS. In fact I believe that they never really filmed NTTD they just inserted some new actors into existing footage from those three previous films.
In fact, NTTD doesn't really exist....it's a fake film meant to distract the public from the real Bond 25 which is the Rhythm Section with a new female James Bond 007 (the code name theory you know) with Rami Malek as Dr. No.
I like seeing him fall off the bridge, and this time he doesn't seem to "die". Though maybe he does again.
Seriously folks.....all the Craig Bond trailers have been good (a couple better than the actual films IMO).
So common sense (and box office numbers) would probably dictate that be be relatively similar.
As I've said all along......I'll pass judgement when I actually see the film in April.
I completely forgot about that! Hopefully the new director and cinematographer mean we might get a natural look again. Does either Fukunaga or Sandgren have a set style they use for each of their productions?? The trailer looks good colour wise so fingers crossed the finished product will be the same.
I would hope that Fukunaga and Sandgren are flexible enough to shoot to the benefit of the story and visuals and the trailer seems to exemplify that. I also would think that they would want to take full advantage of the incredible depth of field and ultra high definition of the 70mm IMAX cameras utilized in some scenes. The scene on the ice in Norway looks to be visually stunning (imagine that on a 60 ft wide theater screen) with the way the small amount of colors really pop against all the white. The other thing is whether or not the scenes shot in IMAX will be shown in the taller IMAX ratio or if the IMAX version of the film will be entirely formatted in the 2.39 to 1 Panavision ratio that most of the film was shot in. Sangren was DP on First Man and the scenes shot in 70mm IMAX were shown in the expanded aspect ratio in IMAX theaters but Fukunaga did not direct that.
Bautista's in Dune which was shooting between March and July and then he started filming "Army of the Dead" in July, so I doubt we'll see Mr. Hinx in NTTD, which is sad because he's one of the few good henchmen of the Craig-era and one of the few good things about Spectre.
I'm liking your thinking!
For example, the armrest.
Mendes in the Skyfall lodge scene used the sound and the guns deploying as a means to show what Bond did in the car while we actually get a good look of it here, we never got to see it in Skyfall
like we used to in Goldfinger or before it was even used in Thunderball
The foot cams classically in Bond films have either been misused (being too short)
or just to extend an action, like it was done in Die Another Day or Quantum of Solace
one using it to show that time is a factor
and the other using it as a means to show his efforts it were ultimately hopeless.
Here, every shot we've had of the armrest or the footcam is like the old ones where we're gonna get payoff out of that action and we know what's going on.
GoldenEye did the same thing when Bond was shifting gears there. Exposition and pay off, the way I'd do it if I were a director
At least that's what I think by a few janky shots if I were to try and justify the why of it if I was in the director's place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The sales for Preparation H is spiking right now because of over anxious Bond fans
Yes....sometimes there is the ring of underlying truth in the absurd. Lets face it, this is the 25th "official" Bond film, not to mention the incredible number of other spy/action films that Bond has spawned over the years. From every silly cheap Bond knock-off to Bourne and the MI films there hasn't been much that hasn't been done. I think the issue at hand is not so much what they are doing but how well it's done. For example, the car chase in SPECTRE was a snoozefest while the PTS car chase in QOS IMO was top notch and quite good (an example of where the quick cut edit style was actually used to good effect). Every Craig film has a had a terrific hand to hand fight scene (something DC really seems to excel at and the current EON fight coordinators take good advantage of) which is a Bond tradition going back to the train fight in FRWL. Not to knock the MI films, but for all Cruise's death defying real stunts, the fight scenes, while well done, always appear overly choreographed and a bit too "cartoonish" while DC's Bond fights are very convincing and much more grounded in reality. I do like the sardonic humor that seems to be evident from the trailer and hopefully that is reflective of some better writing overall for NTTD.
Here here! Loved Bautista as Hinx! {[]
https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/bond-25-trailer-breakdown-no-time-to-die-director-cary-joji-fukunaga/