Craig is back: Discuss Bond 25 here

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Bond 25 a bit like Brexit, drags on for ages, bores the pants of everyone only to fizzle out. Never mind, chin up, those in charge know what they are doing, more going on behind the scenes...Wilson and Broccoli, the David Davis and Theresa May of movie world.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    What's David Davis and Theresa May's CR? :v
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,588MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    The claim is there is to be a new script. Purvis and Wade's screenplay is not to be used. Hodge's screenplay not to be used. If the new script isn't written and approved before December, there will be a delay. Well, I suppose they could make Bond 25 without a finished screenplay but that seems a bad way to make a Bond film.

    TND.
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    Pretty sure someone can scribble a script on the back of a fag packet during tea break! See no drama :))
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    What's David Davis and Theresa May's CR? :v

    No. I was talking specifically about 25. CR was a long time ago.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I just want to know ..... what did you say to Danny Boyle
    To make him leave, Zaphod99 ? :)) {:)
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    What's David Davis and Theresa May's CR? :v

    No. I was very specific and was talking about 25. CR was a long time ago...One superb, one train wreck, one good and one meh. Not a stellar output but as will no doubt be pointed out very successful in commercial terms. I appreciate that that to continue the films need to be viable, however for me that is not the only yardstick. They could have made profitable films at lower cost and more frequently but chose not to.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    I just want to know ..... what did you say to Danny Boyle
    To make him leave, Zaphod99 ? :)) {:)

    Just how much fresh blood was needed. I gave him my " no dead dogs, long lost siblings, personal vendettas or rogue shiz'
    He laughed and said he'd bear it in mind. I also lobbied for tradecraft, age appropriate love interest and a PTS unconnected to the main story. Plus if at all possible some fun.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,588MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm's comments have made me think again about the back-to-back filming theory I've hypothesised.
    Asp9mm wrote on 21 August: https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/928325/#p928325
    If this was a year ago, then Someone would have been correct about many things. There was a direction for the next film and massive plans around it. Early this year, things went into free fall and everything changed. Massively. But the news today is epic. Bond dodged a bullet today, and it was Tankbuster sized.

    Summarising my previous hypothesis, Universal was distributing Bond25 and Bond26 which Purvis & Wade have written OHMSS/Blofeld trilogy inspired scripts for, but each film will have a different director, Mendes for B25 and Boyle for B26;

    Boyle was always doing B26 and at 10min 36 seconds in a March 2017 radio station video I have provided a link too (https://wmgk.com/2018/02/21/rumored-james-bond-25-director-lie-debella-show/) you can see an unconvincing reply by Boyle, when he was promoting Trainspotting 2, after he is asked about the next Bond film.

    And on 22 March 2018 Asp9mm wrote;
    "The director has been in place for a long time now. People panicking about a rushed schedule shouldn’t worry." (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/915976/#p915976)

    Leiter is back as is David Arnold, scoring both B25 and B26 while Dennis Gassner did design work for B25/26.

    Mark Strong is Blofeld in Bond25, Lea Seydoux returns in Bond25 and Benedict Cumberbatch has a role in either B25 or B26.

    Filming would be out of sequence for both films from December 2017. EON's film The Rythm Section, which started filming in December 2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhythm_Section) and then stopped due to Blake Lively's hand injury the same month is partly cover for Bond25 filming.

    The Rythm Section (TRS) suspended filming for six months (for a hand injury? Harrison Ford's broken leg stopped Force Awakens production for a few weeks) allowing the staff that were also hired to film Bond25 to continue doing that (you can find EON staff who were hired for TRS and Bond25 on LinkedIn) and then resume TRS later, in June 2018. (https://variety.com/2018/film/news/blake-lively-the-rhythm-section-resuming-production-june-1202691086/)

    TRS filmed in Spain and DC filmed in Spain in May, just before TRS resumed production (https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/daniel-craig-as-james-bond-filming-in-cardona-spain-today-180529), and DC possibly also filmed at CIA HQ in Langley, Virginia in July (https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/daniel-craig-invited-to-cia-headquarters-180707).

    Naomie Harris, Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw filmed their scenes for boths films in 2017 and from Q3 2018 to September 2019, post-production was to be carried out on both films. Release dates, Nov 2019 and Nov 2020.

    You can go back and see my original mammoth theory post here; https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/926937/#p926937

    And a follow up post here; https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/916647/#p916647

    The recent revelations about Boyle would make me add that, Boyle wanted to make changes to the B26 script and involve some of his 'team,' Mark Tildesley for design and John Hodge on the script. One change was to bring in a Russian villain. The Telegraph broke the story that the Russian villian actor choice was the straw that broke the camel's back.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/22/danny-boyle-quits-bond-dispute-films-russian-villain/

    We now know Hodge only altered a Purvis & Wade script which Bondstars organizer Gareth Owens revealed and Asp9mm sort of confirmed when he wrote on 21 August,
    "There’s a point when Bond isn’t Bond anymore. It’s a blurry line, but there is a line. He isn’t a secondary character in his own film, and he isn’t a soapbox to air political and sexual opinions for the sake of virtue signalling." (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/928319/#p928319) and "But, they knew what the script was before Boyle was given the job, so that can’t be true really can it." (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/928335/#p928335).

    So, I wonder, was it really the villain, or is it that a double-film production has been underway and Boyle wanted to take the second part, or third part of the trilogy that began with Spectre, too far from what DC, Babs and Michael wanted the trilogy finale to be? That makes more sense to me when thinking about why a director like Boyle would leave. A tiff over an actor seems a bit trite.

    So, what does Asp9mm's comments mean for the hypothesis.
    "If this was a year ago, then Someone would have been correct about many things,"
    I think it means I am a year out. That the broad back-to-back film plan above is correct, but Boyle was to direct B25, part one. His changes to the P&W B25/B26 four-hour, 240 page, script were way off what DC, Babs and Michael wanted and so he is out.
  • Marketto007Marketto007 BrazilPosts: 237MI6 Agent
    Wow :o
  • JET007JET007 Austin, TXPosts: 184MI6 Agent
    Wouldn’t that be something!!!
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  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    Been a while since I’ve seen it so thought I might give The Man from UNCLE (which I am a huge fan of) a rewatch tonight and it got me thinking about Guy Richie as a possible director option. Would his style be a little too unique for Bond? His schedule is looking free with his next films being Aladdin which is in post-production now and (possibly—not sure if he’s confirmed for it yet) Sherlock Holmes 3 for Dec 2020.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    Been a while since I’ve seen it so thought I might give The Man from UNCLE (which I am a huge fan of) a rewatch tonight and it got me thinking about Guy Richie as a possible director option. Would his style be a little too unique for Bond? His schedule is looking free with his next films being Aladdin which is in post-production now and (possibly—not sure if he’s confirmed for it yet) Sherlock Holmes 3 for Dec 2020.

    I'm sure Ritchie would be a bridge to far for EON. He has a unique style and EON doesn't like directors with a unique style or ideas that are different from Babs and Michael's.

    Still, he'd be an interesting choice. Like Boyle was an interesting choice.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,772MI6 Agent
    I don’t know if they worry about style as much as substance. Both Skyfall and Spectre are distinct stylistically from other Bond films, which is down to Mendes. Same goes for QoS. That said, you are right that Guy Ritchie has a highly stylized approach that might be too far outside of the ropes.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    From Gareth Owen, on the James Bond Radio Podcast (and it should be said he has an office at Pinewood):

    “All these silly Bond rumors going around...

    Firstly, Sam Mendes will not return. He is in pre-production on a film that has a Dec ‘19 release date and is therefore busy. He also didn’t end on good terms with EON. Christopher Nolan is in pre-production on his own movie. He would want full creative input as director, writer, and producer, and would probably sing the theme tune. He would want to OWN it, so he’s out. Martin Campbell is also about to start shooting a movie too so he’s busy. Enough with these daft ideas.

    Danny Boyle was at Pinewood overseeing set building last Thursday so this came out of the blue with no Plan B. It was an argument over script changes the producers felt were needed. Boyle had complete faith in his writer of choice and refused to have anyone else come in. Surely it would only enhance things, but egos can do funny things.

    There is no one waiting in the wings to take on the Purvis and Wade script. That was effectively a first draft before it was shelved. It would need lots of work and any new director coming in would want to go through that process collaboratively. On the flip side MGM would be loathe to delay the release. Stock price would suffer and they wouldn’t want to write off expenditures as the result of a hiatus. If the producers are unhappy with the John Hodge script they could, as with Goldeneye, use it as the basis for a new script which would probably keep the story and structure, which they are in agreement on, and add a few twists and turns and sharpen up the dialog. It’s a risk to start production without a full script locked but not unheard of as with Tomorrow Never Dies.

    To my thinking they should resist bringing on board a big name personality director. Go with a proven working director and surround him with a top team. A PR winner, which would soon dismiss all thoughts of Danny Boyle, would be to appoint the first female director. It would also set a new exciting bar for the franchise going forward. Danny Boyle’s announcement as director hardly set the world’s press on fire and certainly his departure has claimed more column inches. Time to resolve that and move forward with confidence in a director who fits in with the producer’s and star’s vision and isn’t worried about being a company workhorse.”
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    I am a fan of some of Ritchie's films (the Sherlock Holmes films in particular) but I didn't care for The Man From Uncle at all. I wonder if there is some up and coming director or someone more established with a good track record who actually has a passion to do a Bond film and is willing to be more of a team player? Down the road I would trust Nolan, not just because of his great talent, but because of his great reverence for the Bond films. For now, I'll stick with my three: Yann Damange, David MacKenzie, and Sean Ellis. Another older, less sexy name would be Paul McGuigan. McGuigan directed a really underrated offbeat crime thriller/comedy, Lucky Number Slevin. In some ways I liken him to Martin Campbell as a talented journeyman who is capable of rising to the occasion.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    From Gareth Owen, on the James Bond Radio Podcast (and it should be said he has an office at Pinewood):

    “All these silly Bond rumors going around...

    Firstly, Sam Mendes will not return. He is in pre-production on a film that has a Dec ‘19 release date and is therefore busy. He also didn’t end on good terms with EON. Christopher Nolan is in pre-production on his own movie. He would want full creative input as director, writer, and producer, and would probably sing the theme tune. He would want to OWN it, so he’s out. Martin Campbell is also about to start shooting a movie too so he’s busy. Enough with these daft ideas.

    Danny Boyle was at Pinewood overseeing set building last Thursday so this came out of the blue with no Plan B. It was an argument over script changes the producers felt were needed. Boyle had complete faith in his writer of choice and refused to have anyone else come in. Surely it would only enhance things, but egos can do funny things.

    There is no one waiting in the wings to take on the Purvis and Wade script. That was effectively a first draft before it was shelved. It would need lots of work and any new director coming in would want to go through that process collaboratively. On the flip side MGM would be loathe to delay the release. Stock price would suffer and they wouldn’t want to write off expenditures as the result of a hiatus. If the producers are unhappy with the John Hodge script they could, as with Goldeneye, use it as the basis for a new script which would probably keep the story and structure, which they are in agreement on, and add a few twists and turns and sharpen up the dialog. It’s a risk to start production without a full script locked but not unheard of as with Tomorrow Never Dies.

    To my thinking they should resist bringing on board a big name personality director. Go with a proven working director and surround him with a top team. A PR winner, which would soon dismiss all thoughts of Danny Boyle, would be to appoint the first female director. It would also set a new exciting bar for the franchise going forward. Danny Boyle’s announcement as director hardly set the world’s press on fire and certainly his departure has claimed more column inches. Time to resolve that and move forward with confidence in a director who fits in with the producer’s and star’s vision and isn’t worried about being a company workhorse.”
    That's very illuminating, didn't Craig say that after QOS he would never start another film without a finished script?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    edited August 2018
    From Gareth Owen, on the James Bond Radio Podcast (and it should be said he has an office at Pinewood):

    “All these silly Bond rumors going around...

    Firstly, Sam Mendes will not return. He is in pre-production on a film that has a Dec ‘19 release date and is therefore busy. He also didn’t end on good terms with EON. Christopher Nolan is in pre-production on his own movie. He would want full creative input as director, writer, and producer, and would probably sing the theme tune. He would want to OWN it, so he’s out. Martin Campbell is also about to start shooting a movie too so he’s busy. Enough with these daft ideas.

    Danny Boyle was at Pinewood overseeing set building last Thursday so this came out of the blue with no Plan B. It was an argument over script changes the producers felt were needed. Boyle had complete faith in his writer of choice and refused to have anyone else come in. Surely it would only enhance things, but egos can do funny things.

    There is no one waiting in the wings to take on the Purvis and Wade script. That was effectively a first draft before it was shelved. It would need lots of work and any new director coming in would want to go through that process collaboratively. On the flip side MGM would be loathe to delay the release. Stock price would suffer and they wouldn’t want to write off expenditures as the result of a hiatus. If the producers are unhappy with the John Hodge script they could, as with Goldeneye, use it as the basis for a new script which would probably keep the story and structure, which they are in agreement on, and add a few twists and turns and sharpen up the dialog. It’s a risk to start production without a full script locked but not unheard of as with Tomorrow Never Dies.

    To my thinking they should resist bringing on board a big name personality director. Go with a proven working director and surround him with a top team. A PR winner, which would soon dismiss all thoughts of Danny Boyle, would be to appoint the first female director. It would also set a new exciting bar for the franchise going forward. Danny Boyle’s announcement as director hardly set the world’s press on fire and certainly his departure has claimed more column inches. Time to resolve that and move forward with confidence in a director who fits in with the producer’s and star’s vision and isn’t worried about being a company workhorse.”

    Gareth Owen is talking based on a Facebook message from sir.... Something who works at Pinewood. On Tuesday Owen believed Mendes or Campbell could do it, something even I knew was wrong. What he now says based on the Facebook message is very interesting. Boyle was viewing newly buildt sets on Thursday last week, only to bail only a few days later!
    After I heard the most recent podcast I have suggested directors such as Kathryn Bigelow, Neil Marshall, Simon West, and Mike Newell.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Gareth Owen is talking based on a Facebook message from sir.... Something who works at Pinewood. On Tuesday Owen believed Mendes or Campbell could do it, something even I knew was wrong.what he now says based on the Facebook message is very interesting.

    Gareth Owen IS the guy at Pinewood who wrote the Facebook message. He worked for Sir Roger Moore. The guy on Tuesday who believed Mendes or Campbell could do it were the hosts of James Bond Radio, Tom and Chris...
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    Sorry I confused the guy in JBR and the Facebook Gareth Owen. I feel a bit silly now.....
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Sorry I confused the guy in JBR and the Facebook Gareth Owen. I feel a bit silly now.....

    As long as you don’t LOOK a bit silly, no one will ever know {[]
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    edited August 2018
    Thanks :)
    I think my list of potential directors holdes up, though. I'm not a great fan of all of them, but I think they're candidates who fit well in the situation. Neil Marshall and Kathryn Bigelow are even writer/directors.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,772MI6 Agent
    So if Owens’ account is accurate, a 2019 release means a new draft of the Hodge script, cleansed of the elements that the producers found difficult to stomach. The question is, does that give us a decent Bond film? I suppose time will tell.
  • BondpuristBondpurist VauxhallPosts: 26MI6 Agent
    So if Owens’ account is accurate, a 2019 release means a new draft of the Hodge script, cleansed of the elements that the producers found difficult to stomach. The question is, does that give us a decent Bond film? I suppose time will tell.

    If it's as good as TND, we'll be fine and a vast improvement over Spectre.
  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    I say delay Bond 25 to 2020, ditch Craig. He's never been that Bond handsome anyway, and his blunt portrayal has been done enough. Yawn. Let's find some new guy, someone to bring back the GLAMOUR of Bond. I think we should all thank Danny Boyle. His temper tantrum "I'm quitting because Barbara refuses to give me tea during lunch breaks!" is a blessing in disguise. The five year gap may end Bab's infatuation with Daniel and we may get some new bloke.

    In other news, Danny Boyle has signed up to direct - 'Brexit - A Disaster Movie'!

    :D
  • armenianmoviemanarmenianmovieman The 818Posts: 694MI6 Agent
    What I don't get is how did things end badly with Sam Mendes and EON? I assume it has to do with the foster brother subplot?
    Yes. Consssssiderably.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    I say delay Bond 25 to 2020, ditch Craig. He's never been that Bond handsome anyway, and his blunt portrayal has been done enough. Yawn. Let's find some new guy, someone to bring back the GLAMOUR of Bond. I think we should all thank Danny Boyle. His temper tantrum "I'm quitting because Barbara refuses to give me tea during lunch breaks!" is a blessing in disguise. The five year gap may end Bab's infatuation with Daniel and we may get some new bloke.

    In other news, Danny Boyle has signed up to direct - 'Brexit - A Disaster Movie'!

    :D

    Yes....no question EON should give Daniel Craig the boot immediately. What a great opportunity that would be. :s
    Unfortunately for those who dislike Craig, Mr. Short and Homely, as Bond, he is an extremely popular Bond with the folks who count,
    the people who plunk down their hard earned money and go see Bond films. Believe it or not there are actually quite a few of us who post on AJB who actually like Craig as Bond....shocking, simply shocking. Seriously though, EON's priority was to get Craig back for
    Bond 25. Craig's return for 25 significantly boosts the films box office potential.
    If it is true that EON is still interested in using much of Hodge's script, it won't take that much to get it polished up and ready for filming. Add a new director to that mix and there is still a chance that Bond 25 makes its fall 2019 release date.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    I hope these "crisis" talks do indeed manage to avoid a 5 year gap between the films, I think I may start re watching the films from start to finish, one week and hopefully by the time I've done that there may be some positive news on the Bond 25 front.https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/james-bond-bosses-holding-crisis-13140208
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    bonded123 wrote:
    I say delay Bond 25 to 2020, ditch Craig. He's never been that Bond handsome anyway, and his blunt portrayal has been done enough. Yawn. Let's find some new guy, someone to bring back the GLAMOUR of Bond. I think we should all thank Danny Boyle. His temper tantrum "I'm quitting because Barbara refuses to give me tea during lunch breaks!" is a blessing in disguise. The five year gap may end Bab's infatuation with Daniel and we may get some new bloke.

    In other news, Danny Boyle has signed up to direct - 'Brexit - A Disaster Movie'!

    :D

    Yes....no question EON should give Daniel Craig the boot immediately. What a great opportunity that would be. :s
    Unfortunately for those who dislike Craig, Mr. Short and Homely, as Bond, he is an extremely popular Bond with the folks who count,
    the people who plunk down their hard earned money and go see Bond films. Believe it or not there are actually quite a few of us who post on AJB who actually like Craig as Bond....shocking, simply shocking. Seriously though, EON's priority was to get Craig back for
    Bond 25. Craig's return for 25 significantly boosts the films box office potential.
    If it is true that EON is still interested in using much of Hodge's script, it won't take that much to get it polished up and ready for filming. Add a new director to that mix and there is still a chance that Bond 25 makes its fall 2019 release date.

    Very interesting. I find it surprising that you feel that Craig is dissed here, my confirmation bias gets the opposite sense, that he is extremely popular with most posters here (must confess that I have not 'done the math' )
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    From Gareth Owen, on the James Bond Radio Podcast (and it should be said he has an office at Pinewood):

    “All these silly Bond rumors going around...

    Firstly, Sam Mendes will not return. He is in pre-production on a film that has a Dec ‘19 release date and is therefore busy. He also didn’t end on good terms with EON. Christopher Nolan is in pre-production on his own movie. He would want full creative input as director, writer, and producer, and would probably sing the theme tune. He would want to OWN it, so he’s out. Martin Campbell is also about to start shooting a movie too so he’s busy. Enough with these daft ideas.

    Danny Boyle was at Pinewood overseeing set building last Thursday so this came out of the blue with no Plan B. It was an argument over script changes the producers felt were needed. Boyle had complete faith in his writer of choice and refused to have anyone else come in. Surely it would only enhance things, but egos can do funny things.

    There is no one waiting in the wings to take on the Purvis and Wade script. That was effectively a first draft before it was shelved. It would need lots of work and any new director coming in would want to go through that process collaboratively. On the flip side MGM would be loathe to delay the release. Stock price would suffer and they wouldn’t want to write off expenditures as the result of a hiatus. If the producers are unhappy with the John Hodge script they could, as with Goldeneye, use it as the basis for a new script which would probably keep the story and structure, which they are in agreement on, and add a few twists and turns and sharpen up the dialog. It’s a risk to start production without a full script locked but not unheard of as with Tomorrow Never Dies.

    To my thinking they should resist bringing on board a big name personality director. Go with a proven working director and surround him with a top team. A PR winner, which would soon dismiss all thoughts of Danny Boyle, would be to appoint the first female director. It would also set a new exciting bar for the franchise going forward. Danny Boyle’s announcement as director hardly set the world’s press on fire and certainly his departure has claimed more column inches. Time to resolve that and move forward with confidence in a director who fits in with the producer’s and star’s vision and isn’t worried about being a company workhorse.”

    Very fine work indeed. Your idea about a female director is a superb one and would offset negativity. Also Bigelow would be a damn fine idea irrespective of that. Just noticed that for someone claiming not to care very much posting a lot...conflicted or what. :)
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
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