I'm not expecting another snow scene in the next film. As caractacus potts said, Canada does not necessarily mean snow. After the snow in the last Bond film, I'd expect something different. Bond films before Craig would typically vary the landscape between consecutive films.
I agree that putting Bond in an extreme enviorment (salt mines, jungle, the Arctic) would be great. But while Canada has more to offer, it very clear from the Source of the Canada story that it will be a snow/cold scene this time.
I think the pre-title is more important than usual this time around. The long gap. Most people thought Craig was finished. There is a legitimate question whether he is past his Bond prime. An impactful PTS could go a long way. And it doesn’t have to be grandiose. It just needs to set the tone.
I think the idea can be used, but the collapsable ski idea is silly and won't fit in a Craig Bond movie (or in "TWO CIGAR-SIZED BLACK
CANISTERS, and an ELONGATED BLACK BOX. Personally I would like to see a fight while climbing a frozen waterfall, using ice axes, knives and crampons.
I think the pre-title is more important than usual this time around. The long gap. Most people thought Craig was finished. There is a legitimate question whether he is past his Bond prime. An impactful PTS could go a long way. And it doesn’t have to be grandiose. It just needs to set the tone.
And answer the question of what happened with Madeleine or do people think SPECTRE will be ignored?
I think the pre-title is more important than usual this time around. The long gap. Most people thought Craig was finished. There is a legitimate question whether he is past his Bond prime. An impactful PTS could go a long way. And it doesn’t have to be grandiose. It just needs to set the tone.
And answer the question of what happened with Madeleine or do people think SPECTRE will be ignored?
Bond25 is in pre-production with a new version of the script being written, supposedly by Fukunaga, while EON's staff must be simultaneously doing lots of other pre-production activities with filming to start on 4 March, just 16 weeks, four months away.
Then he's in principal photography for 5-6 months, that's what they said how long shooting would take before (admittedly for Boyle's script), so that's until October and then he's in post-production from November to January, maybe early February.
Bond25 is in pre-production with a new version of the script being written, supposedly by Fukunaga, while EON's staff must be simultaneously doing lots of other pre-production activities with filming to start on 4 March, just 16 weeks, four months away.
Then he's in principal photography for 5-6 months, that's what they said how long shooting would take before (admittedly for Boyle's script), so that's until October and then he's in post-production from November to January, maybe early February.
WTF?????
Relax. There was no timeframe in the Deadline article. Also, we do not know if Fukunaga is writing a new version of the Bond 25 script; given the time constraints, along with just my own personal hunch, he would probably be having some input and possibly be doing a "polish" which wouldn't be that big of a deal. Again this "Explorers" thing is in its infancy and they don't even have a script or a greenlight for a pilot. My guess it is something that will come more to fruition after Bond 25 is finished. This is nothing even remotely like Boyle working on Bond 25 while he finishes another small film. Again, relax. No need to conjure up problems that don't exist.
P&W were reported by Bamigboye to be writing a script from their original treatment. BTW Fukunaga has a long list of writing credits https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1560977/#writer
So, as of end of September they didn't have a script and Fukunaga was on-board. It's not a massive stretch of the imagination that he is working with P&W on the script, which I find it hard to believe would be finished well before Christmas.
I thought I'd seen a story where it said he'd be working on the script, but I must have mis-remembered. Fukunaga will have a lot of input on that script, everything about his past says it's so.
P&W were reported by Bamigboye to be writing a script from their original treatment. BTW Fukunaga has a long list of writing credits https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1560977/#writer
So, as of end of September they didn't have a script and Fukunaga was on-board. It's not a massive stretch of the imagination that he is working with P&W on the script, which I find it hard to believe would be finished well before Christmas.
I thought I'd seen a story where it said he'd be working on the script, but I must have mis-remembered. Fukunaga will have a lot of input on that script, everything about his past says it's so.
No....they appear to have a script or most of a complete script that is being re-written, doctored, etc at least according to Baz (who tends to be accurate). It wouldn't surprise me if they mine from P&W and Hodge's script. Why would Fukunaga's involvement in Explorers have any impact on Bond 25. Again, you are trying to make something out of nothing. I just don't see what significance this has on Bond 25. IMO, Fukunaga's involvement in fleshing out P&W's treatment is a good thing. Don't project the nonsense that went on with Boyle and EON onto the present situation. -{ Don't worry, be happy B-)
P&W were reported by Bamigboye to be writing a script from their original treatment. BTW Fukunaga has a long list of writing credits https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1560977/#writer
So, as of end of September they didn't have a script and Fukunaga was on-board. It's not a massive stretch of the imagination that he is working with P&W on the script, which I find it hard to believe would be finished well before Christmas.
I thought I'd seen a story where it said he'd be working on the script, but I must have mis-remembered. Fukunaga will have a lot of input on that script, everything about his past says it's so.
Right, so your "supposedly" was really "I'll bet." Those are different.
No....they appear to have a script or most of a complete script that is being re-written, doctored, etc at least according to Baz (who tends to be accurate).
No, a treatment is not a script. The Baz Bamigboye story clearly says Purvis & Wade were to produce a script based on their treatment. A treatment is like a novel version of what will become the script. A treatment can be ten or more pages long, it can be dozens of pages.
IMO, Fukunaga's involvement in fleshing out P&W's treatment is a good thing.
Yes, but don't underestimate the amount of time and effort that goes into producing a film script. Even for seasoned professionals it takes months, read any book on the subject.
Right, so your "supposedly" was really "I'll bet." Those are different.
It's a good bet though.
There is no evidence that Bond 25 will be further delayed....but anything is possible. There is no reason to believe that the Explorers project will have any effect on Bond 25. If Someone believes that there will not be a script ready for filming in March and the production will be further delayed, that's him or her opinion. In legal terms, Someone appears to believe that there is enough evidence to support "reasonable doubt" (which is the burden of proof in criminal cases, at least in the USA) that Bond 25 will begin filming in March. IMO, the evidence presented by Someone is hearsay, circumstantial and lacking in credibility. In the court of personal opinion, it really doesn't matter; one can believe anything......just look at election results
Oh, stop. I’m just saying doing a show like that doesn’t mean Bond 25 will be delayed.
For what it's worth...even my fairly dim view of how EON have handled 25 so far does not support that there will be a further delay (barring acts of God etal) It would be an unconscionable embarrassment, not to mention financial disaster.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
If Someone believes that there will not be a script ready for filming in March and the production will be further delayed, that's him or her opinion.
I didn't say that. I simply said, how would he have the time?
The treatment can be detailed enough to have locations and broadly what happens plot-wise at a certain point in time so for set construction and organising on-location filming it's likely to be enough. What the actors are actually saying in a scene can be decided nearer filming.
I think the Penny Dreadful situation is a good analogy. I understand people are always looking at the next job in film and TV because it's such an uncertain industry, but I'd prefer that people's focus was at the job at hand, it makes for better films.
I understand people are always looking at the next job in film and TV because it's such an uncertain industry, but I'd prefer that people's focus was at the job at hand, it makes for better films.
Tell that to Steven Spielberg in ‘93, Coppola in ‘74, Mel Brooks in ‘74 or Hitchcock in ‘54. Just sayin’.
If Someone believes that there will not be a script ready for filming in March and the production will be further delayed, that's him or her opinion.
I didn't say that. I simply said, how would he have the time?
The treatment can be detailed enough to have locations and broadly what happens plot-wise at a certain point in time so for set construction and organising on-location filming it's likely to be enough. What the actors are actually saying in a scene can be decided nearer filming.
I think the Penny Dreadful situation is a good analogy. I understand people are always looking at the next job in film and TV because it's such an uncertain industry, but I'd prefer that people's focus was at the job at hand, it makes for better films.
I think I understand where you are coming from with regards to the time needed. What I would think is EON was looking for someone who could hit the ground running to get up to speed on Bond 25 and be able to move things along to replace Boyle. With Fukunaga they ended up with someone who is a very talented and successful film jack of all trades: director, writer, and cinematographer with experience in both theatrical and premium cable productions. With his experience in Premium TV, in particular True Detective Season 1, he knows how to work efficiently within tight time frames and create multiple episodes that had the look and quality of superior theatrical films. With his film, Beasts of No Nation he was able to work on location and create excellent action scenes on a relatively large scale on a small to moderate budget. With the framework that P&W had created and were reportedly brought back to work on, whatever they will mine from the Hodge/Boyle script and Fukunaga's contribution (which could be a much needed fresh perspective) I really don't see any reason that they will not have a viable script in time for shooting. IMO, it's just unfortunate that Fukunaga was not on board from the start.
So, at this time in 2014, this is what the news/rumours were...
5 Nov - script polishing rumour
14 Nov - Waltz cast rumour
24 Nov - Rome filming reported
I recognise filming won't start until 3 months later on Bond25, so, now would be September back then. And this is what we learned then...
Sept - Rhianna theme tune rumours
15 Sept - filming start announced in media.* Locations confirmed in news reports.
17 Sept - cinematographer reported
25 Sept - MI6-hq.co.uk reports Morocco to be location.
*at least we know this.
Admittedly, David Arnold teased us all with a tweet about his guitar he plays the Bond theme on recently, but they are doing the Casino Royale with live orchestras shows in Germany at the moment, so...
Ok....so I would think we should be hearing, sooner than later, who the DP and Composer are?
I will say that I do subscribe to the theory that after the SPECTRE / SONY / North Korea hacks EON is being much tighter with information than ever. They even did a pretty good job of keeping whatever mess led to Boyle's leaving from getting out. Credit to Boyle also for not putting out any negative fodder in the media. It is quite frustrating after waiting all this time and not really getting much news other than Fukugawa replacing Boyle.
There used to be a time when you didn’t know who the DP or composer were until you saw a poster at the cinema. I don’t need to be kept updated on anything. Just concentrate on giving me a good movie.
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CANISTERS, and an ELONGATED BLACK BOX. Personally I would like to see a fight while climbing a frozen waterfall, using ice axes, knives and crampons.
And answer the question of what happened with Madeleine or do people think SPECTRE will be ignored?
They should ignore it.
Agreed. No need for it in my opinion
https://deadline.com/2018/11/explorers-tv-series-cary-fukunaga-david-lowery-ethan-hawke-river-phoenix-1985-film-paramount-television-1202496855/
When will Fukunaga have time to do this?!
Bond25 is in pre-production with a new version of the script being written, supposedly by Fukunaga, while EON's staff must be simultaneously doing lots of other pre-production activities with filming to start on 4 March, just 16 weeks, four months away.
Then he's in principal photography for 5-6 months, that's what they said how long shooting would take before (admittedly for Boyle's script), so that's until October and then he's in post-production from November to January, maybe early February.
WTF?????
I hadn't heard that. Stick to facts! Adding "supposedly" to your presumptions doesn't validate vocalizing them.
Relax. There was no timeframe in the Deadline article. Also, we do not know if Fukunaga is writing a new version of the Bond 25 script; given the time constraints, along with just my own personal hunch, he would probably be having some input and possibly be doing a "polish" which wouldn't be that big of a deal. Again this "Explorers" thing is in its infancy and they don't even have a script or a greenlight for a pilot. My guess it is something that will come more to fruition after Bond 25 is finished. This is nothing even remotely like Boyle working on Bond 25 while he finishes another small film. Again, relax. No need to conjure up problems that don't exist.
OK, to be more precise, Purvis & Wade were reported by reliable Bond reporter Baz Bamigboye to be back on script duties on 14 September and six days later we got the official EON Cary Fukunaga announcement.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6166379/Spymaster-writing-duo-rescue-new-Bond-film-director-Danny-Boyle-walked-out.html
P&W were reported by Bamigboye to be writing a script from their original treatment. BTW Fukunaga has a long list of writing credits
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1560977/#writer
So, as of end of September they didn't have a script and Fukunaga was on-board. It's not a massive stretch of the imagination that he is working with P&W on the script, which I find it hard to believe would be finished well before Christmas.
I thought I'd seen a story where it said he'd be working on the script, but I must have mis-remembered. Fukunaga will have a lot of input on that script, everything about his past says it's so.
No....they appear to have a script or most of a complete script that is being re-written, doctored, etc at least according to Baz (who tends to be accurate). It wouldn't surprise me if they mine from P&W and Hodge's script. Why would Fukunaga's involvement in Explorers have any impact on Bond 25. Again, you are trying to make something out of nothing. I just don't see what significance this has on Bond 25. IMO, Fukunaga's involvement in fleshing out P&W's treatment is a good thing. Don't project the nonsense that went on with Boyle and EON onto the present situation.
Right, so your "supposedly" was really "I'll bet." Those are different.
No, a treatment is not a script. The Baz Bamigboye story clearly says Purvis & Wade were to produce a script based on their treatment. A treatment is like a novel version of what will become the script. A treatment can be ten or more pages long, it can be dozens of pages.
You're guessing.
Because writing a bible for a TV show and it's pilot show is a LOT OF WORK.
Yes, but don't underestimate the amount of time and effort that goes into producing a film script. Even for seasoned professionals it takes months, read any book on the subject.
It's a good bet though.
There is no evidence that Bond 25 will be further delayed....but anything is possible. There is no reason to believe that the Explorers project will have any effect on Bond 25. If Someone believes that there will not be a script ready for filming in March and the production will be further delayed, that's him or her opinion. In legal terms, Someone appears to believe that there is enough evidence to support "reasonable doubt" (which is the burden of proof in criminal cases, at least in the USA) that Bond 25 will begin filming in March. IMO, the evidence presented by Someone is hearsay, circumstantial and lacking in credibility. In the court of personal opinion, it really doesn't matter; one can believe anything......just look at election results
Both Sam Mendes and John Logan did Penny Dreadful at the same time as Spectre.
Relax.
Uh, not the best example, if Spectre is anything to go by.
Not exactly the best example
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Oh, stop. I’m just saying doing a show like that doesn’t mean Bond 25 will be delayed.
For what it's worth...even my fairly dim view of how EON have handled 25 so far does not support that there will be a further delay (barring acts of God etal) It would be an unconscionable embarrassment, not to mention financial disaster.
I didn't say that. I simply said, how would he have the time?
The treatment can be detailed enough to have locations and broadly what happens plot-wise at a certain point in time so for set construction and organising on-location filming it's likely to be enough. What the actors are actually saying in a scene can be decided nearer filming.
I think the Penny Dreadful situation is a good analogy. I understand people are always looking at the next job in film and TV because it's such an uncertain industry, but I'd prefer that people's focus was at the job at hand, it makes for better films.
Tell that to Steven Spielberg in ‘93, Coppola in ‘74, Mel Brooks in ‘74 or Hitchcock in ‘54. Just sayin’.
I think I understand where you are coming from with regards to the time needed. What I would think is EON was looking for someone who could hit the ground running to get up to speed on Bond 25 and be able to move things along to replace Boyle. With Fukunaga they ended up with someone who is a very talented and successful film jack of all trades: director, writer, and cinematographer with experience in both theatrical and premium cable productions. With his experience in Premium TV, in particular True Detective Season 1, he knows how to work efficiently within tight time frames and create multiple episodes that had the look and quality of superior theatrical films. With his film, Beasts of No Nation he was able to work on location and create excellent action scenes on a relatively large scale on a small to moderate budget. With the framework that P&W had created and were reportedly brought back to work on, whatever they will mine from the Hodge/Boyle script and Fukunaga's contribution (which could be a much needed fresh perspective) I really don't see any reason that they will not have a viable script in time for shooting. IMO, it's just unfortunate that Fukunaga was not on board from the start.
So, at this time in 2014, this is what the news/rumours were...
5 Nov - script polishing rumour
14 Nov - Waltz cast rumour
24 Nov - Rome filming reported
I recognise filming won't start until 3 months later on Bond25, so, now would be September back then. And this is what we learned then...
Sept - Rhianna theme tune rumours
15 Sept - filming start announced in media.* Locations confirmed in news reports.
17 Sept - cinematographer reported
25 Sept - MI6-hq.co.uk reports Morocco to be location.
*at least we know this.
Admittedly, David Arnold teased us all with a tweet about his guitar he plays the Bond theme on recently, but they are doing the Casino Royale with live orchestras shows in Germany at the moment, so...
I will say that I do subscribe to the theory that after the SPECTRE / SONY / North Korea hacks EON is being much tighter with information than ever. They even did a pretty good job of keeping whatever mess led to Boyle's leaving from getting out. Credit to Boyle also for not putting out any negative fodder in the media. It is quite frustrating after waiting all this time and not really getting much news other than Fukugawa replacing Boyle.