Peter Hunt's YOLT

onemonk909onemonk909 Posts: 65MI6 Agent
Watching OHMSS for the first time in several years it occurred to me that Hunt's artsy direction would've been perfect for the more-faithful film adaptation of YOLT we never got. I still think a lot of the material in this novel could be used in a Bond film...hell they could even use Kissy Suzuki because she wasn't even named in the actual YOLT movie. But Blofeld's castle could be brought to life with bizarre, bio-engineered plant life...sort of like the glowing flora in the nighttime scenes of Avatar. It all looks good in my head, at least. Part of me wishes that, once Craig is done, they could retcon the franchise again by going into the past, sort of how they did with the X-Men movies, and start off on an altered timeline sort of track, picking up after the events of OHMSS.

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I agree a fairly faithful adaption of YOLT directed by Hunt would be fantastic. I disagree on everything else.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    edited May 2018
    It’s interesting that during production of YOLT, Peter Hunt was a free agent of sorts roaming the earth so to speak, and in impromptu manner he was tapped to edit YOLT. IMO, the role of editor took on an unprecedented dimension of power and influence when Peter Hunt got involved in a Bond production, so much so that I’d consider YOLT for example, half his film with Lewis Gilbert for the level of artistry he wielded in the delivery of the final product.

    As for the story development, it’s an ideal vision of having a Fleming purist like Hunt make a masterfully faithful interpretation of YOLT within a framework of what was then contemporary reality (like what was done with the half-a-century old CR), but it’s important to note that Hunt’s back-to-basics approach with OHMSS was a reaction to the technical excesses that came before. While making YOLT, they had no idea that they were in the midst of committing those excesses, which goes to show the difference one movie does to the course of the series. The creative stakes were slightly different in the planning stage of YOLT; TB was the first Fleming story (both in terms of screen treatment and the novel that followed) that tapped into genuinely advanced technology and with the increasing gagetry up to GF, it was fitting that TB and its techno pedigree would continue that trend.

    The spiking success of the series affirmed this trend, which therefore set the growing emphasis on tech for whatever the next Bond movie would be. Combine this with the heated space race, it would have been a difficult decision for the producers to acquiesce to a step backwards to a Flemingesque vision, which at that point was affixed to the recent past...which we would see wasn’t permanent :))

    It would take a creative impasse in the wake of YOLT for EON to give that acquiescence to Hunt...which they would then regret shortly afterwards to their own hubris, setting a return-to-basics strategy that they would pull out of their tool bag a few times in the future!
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    YOLT is a bit of a puzzle really, I mean it's the only 60's Bond film that isn't a faithful adaptation of the novel.

    The first four films were one success after another, so to make a conscious decision to abandon the source material is hard to understand.
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    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I seem to remember they scouted for a suitable palace for the Garden if Death scenes, but couldn't find one. Was it in the comment army? Was it in my imagination?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    By filming it before OHMSS, a good chunk of plot had to go. When Broccoli & co couldn't find a castle as per novel and decided to replace it with a volcano* another bit had to be discarded. The space angle was very topical and it made sense to include it. It's good that some parts of the novel did survive (though perhaps the Japanese disguise might not have been one of the better choices).

    * Although if Ken Adam could build a volcano, he could easily have built a castle.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Number24 wrote:
    I seem to remember they scouted for a suitable palace for the Garden if Death scenes, but couldn't find one. Was it in the comment army? Was it in my imagination?

    No, it's accurate.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    So they must have considered seriously filming a story closer to the novel.
    I saw the glass house in Kew Gardens on TV. I think it could be used as a location for the Garden of Death - they could just pretend it's in Japan :007)
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Broccoli, Gilbert, original screenwriter Harold Jack Bloom and others were on a location scouting trip in Japan (apparently they ran into Peter Hunt there by coincidence, since he wasn't originally involved)- it seems they couldn't find an appropriate castle, since the weather conditions there forbid it. They did, however, spot some interesting looking volcanoes which intrigued them, and wanted to use them in their movie.

    (Most of this I've paraphrased from John Brosnan's "James Bond In The Cinema".)
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    It's interesting -- I never really thought of Peter Hunt as a particularly imaginative director. If anything, he brought a kind of modern, more minimalistic flavor to the Bond series that would shape how the films would turn out under John Glen. What he did rely on were some offbeat camera angles (and the close up, which also became standard by the late 70s) and quick cuts and edits. I suspect a more faithful version of You Only Live Twice would mostly have been a more psychedelic version, perhaps akin to what Stanley Donen did with Arabesque, a movie plagued with an unfocused script (but a great cast) that required him to do a lot of visual tricks to distract from the story weaknesses. I'm glad Hunt didn't have anything to do with You Only Live Twice, which is probably the most imaginative of the Bond films.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    This doesn't show the range of things Donen did, but you'll see hints.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ukkcSaXpU

    In fact, as I watch the trailer, I'm struck by how a lot of the framing and quick cuts remind me of Hunt's direction in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Gassy Man wrote:
    I'm glad Hunt didn't have anything to do with You Only Live Twice,

    He did, Gassy- he was "supervising" editor and 2nd unit director. (The reason behind the "supervising" part of the credit is a bit off-topic, but if anyone wants to know more I'd be happy to help.)

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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,109MI6 Agent
    yes please Barbel, tell us more!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Hunt wasn't supposed to edit YOLT. Lewis Gilbert brought his regular editor, Thelma Connell, with him as part of his team. Hunt was given the job of directing the second unit.
    Connell had difficulty editing down the film to an acceptable length, so Hunt was asked to take over. To save face, Connell retained her credit as editor while Hunt received the rather vague "Supervising Editor" credit in addition to his expected one.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    I'm glad Hunt didn't have anything to do with You Only Live Twice,

    He did, Gassy- he was "supervising" editor and 2nd unit director. (The reason behind the "supervising" part of the credit is a bit off-topic, but if anyone wants to know more I'd be happy to help.)

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    You're absolutely right, of course. I should have said "as director," and not as second unit.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Wow, I just read the recent YOLT issue of Cinema Retro (published by Bond gurus Dave Worrall and Lee Pfeiffer) and totally forgot that Peter Hunt was indeed in charge of the 2nd Unit as well as having taken over editing duties. Does anyone know which scenes of YOLT he was responsible for?
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    He shot the helicopter battle and at least part of the main car chase, among others.
  • onemonk909onemonk909 Posts: 65MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    It's interesting -- I never really thought of Peter Hunt as a particularly imaginative director. If anything, he brought a kind of modern, more minimalistic flavor to the Bond series that would shape how the films would turn out under John Glen. What he did rely on were some offbeat camera angles (and the close up, which also became standard by the late 70s) and quick cuts and edits. I suspect a more faithful version of You Only Live Twice would mostly have been a more psychedelic version, perhaps akin to what Stanley Donen did with Arabesque, a movie plagued with an unfocused script (but a great cast) that required him to do a lot of visual tricks to distract from the story weaknesses. I'm glad Hunt didn't have anything to do with You Only Live Twice, which is probably the most imaginative of the Bond films.

    A more psychedelic YOLT? Sign me up! Seriously though I see what you mean...I've not seen Arabesque, but rewatching OHMSS it seemed to me this time that Hunt's style was akin to prolific US TV director Sutton Roley, most known for Mannix episodes. Dubbed "the TV Orson Welles" or somesuch these days by enthusiasts. But very similar -- offbeat angles followed by closeups of the actors' faces, etc. And psychedelic to boot, so I guess that sort of thing was just in the air at the time. Roley should've been bigger but apparently he was an ass to work with due to his demands; I think he only made one or two feature films.
  • onemonk909onemonk909 Posts: 65MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    Wow, I just read the recent YOLT issue of Cinema Retro (published by Bond gurus Dave Worrall and Lee Pfeiffer) and totally forgot that Peter Hunt was indeed in charge of the 2nd Unit as well as having taken over editing duties. Does anyone know which scenes of YOLT he was responsible for?

    But is the Wiki note that the original cut of YOLT, by a lady whose name escapes me at the moment (too lazy to look it up!), was several minutes longer than the final cut? If I'm not mistaken the legend is that her cut was around 30 minutes longer or something...hard to believe that much could be removed just by tightening up scenes. If true, it would mean whole scenes were cut by Hunt when he took over editing chores, which leads me to believe it's yet another hogwash Wikipedia entry.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    onemonk909 wrote:

    But is the Wiki note that the original cut of YOLT, by a lady whose name escapes me at the moment (too lazy to look it up!),

    How about looking about five posts earlier, then?
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    onemonk909 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    It's interesting -- I never really thought of Peter Hunt as a particularly imaginative director. If anything, he brought a kind of modern, more minimalistic flavor to the Bond series that would shape how the films would turn out under John Glen. What he did rely on were some offbeat camera angles (and the close up, which also became standard by the late 70s) and quick cuts and edits. I suspect a more faithful version of You Only Live Twice would mostly have been a more psychedelic version, perhaps akin to what Stanley Donen did with Arabesque, a movie plagued with an unfocused script (but a great cast) that required him to do a lot of visual tricks to distract from the story weaknesses. I'm glad Hunt didn't have anything to do with You Only Live Twice, which is probably the most imaginative of the Bond films.

    A more psychedelic YOLT? Sign me up! Seriously though I see what you mean...I've not seen Arabesque, but rewatching OHMSS it seemed to me this time that Hunt's style was akin to prolific US TV director Sutton Roley, most known for Mannix episodes. Dubbed "the TV Orson Welles" or somesuch these days by enthusiasts. But very similar -- offbeat angles followed by closeups of the actors' faces, etc. And psychedelic to boot, so I guess that sort of thing was just in the air at the time. Roley should've been bigger but apparently he was an ass to work with due to his demands; I think he only made one or two feature films.
    That's a good comparison and very much so. They've been showing Mannix reruns on one of the classic channels here, so I'll look for that, thanks! TV and Hollywood were struggling to figure out how to appeal to youth in the counterculture, and by then, TV in particular had gone from being a luxury item (meaning the TV shows of the 50s and early 60s were written with more sophistication) to a mass-market item (meaning they were struggling even more with how to reach the lowest common denominator).

    But watch the 1965-67 seasons of The Avengers, and you'll see some of the same thing, too -- kooky angles and camera tricks. It's amazing how empty so many of the scenes are of that show as regards people, yet the series had a visual language that gave it a bizarre wit rather than a low-budget feel. The Prisoner would take all that even further. I think directors like Hunt were looking for ways to make their mark, especially as films were becoming more "auteur" driven (by the 1970s, Spielberg, Coppola, and the like would make themselves almost as important as the actors and writers to crafting the vision of film).

    Another thing is you can see how lighting techniques change a lot. Though there are still a lot of "technicolor" qualities to OHMSS's cinematography, there's also a lot more of what might be called flatter "natural lighting" going on. Again, it's an attempt at heightened realism. The color palette isn't as saturated in many scenes and almost monochromatic (though the blu-ray interestingly saturates the color more). This is probably most noticeable in the Bern scenes, where Bond is breaking into Gumbold's office. Compare that to the much richer color in the three films that preceded it, where the lighting is often more atmospheric and stagey.
  • ManxmanManxman Posts: 125MI6 Agent
    Has the Thelma Connell cut ever been released, either officially or unofficially? I'd be fascinated to see what was removed.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Sadly, no.
  • onemonk909onemonk909 Posts: 65MI6 Agent
    Hope you get to see some Sutton Roley episodes of Mannix, GM. He did a bunch of them and I've seen most -- the one that sticks out most in my memory is the one with an impossibly young Martin Sheen as a 'Nam vet suffering from amnesia who was being used in a heist masterminded by John "I always play a villain" Vernon.

    I've got Arabesque on tap to watch so thanks for the recommendation.

    However, I've never been able to get into the Avengers, though I've tried and tried. I will try again!

    I have always liked The Prisoner, though.

    As mentioned Roley was prolific and possibly the most "Bond"-like thing he did which I know of would be 3 episodes of Man From UNCLE he directed, all in the last season. In fact he directed the final two episodes, a two-parter which was released theatrically in Europe as "How To Steal The World." It's from '68 and here's the trailer, which I think has that same sort of Hunt/OHMSS look:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk9wDyR_SCY
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