Underwater cameraman Kjetil C Astrup disclosed details of the dramatic filming for Bond 25.
He told the Sunday Mirror: “It’s probably the most extreme stuff Daniel and some of the other actors have ever done.
“This Bond is the jubilee, 25th, and most probably Daniel’s last movie – so it has to be special.
“In Spectre they had scenes with Daniel falling into water in Venice, but they’ve never had underwater fight scenes, and never had actors going under the ice. We’re breaking new ground.”
He said the stunt was so dangerous that emergency divers were on standby during the 1ºC plunge in Oslo.
The dramatic scenes are said to be part of a bid by producers to ensure the success of the blockbuster after a string of setbacks.
Craig and other actors trained in diving tanks for weeks before heading abroad.
And Astrup told how he spent weeks attaching a rig to the ice ready for the filming.
He said: “The water is one degree Celsius – you need to use special equipment or else your scuba gear freezes.
“An ice cube forms around your breathing apparatus, blocking the air. We dive with electrical heating vests and go straight to heating pools when we come up.
“We had to introduce camera gear, actors, lots of people on to the ice, with a ton of equipment. That’s where it gets dangerous.”
The movie has suffered a string of setbacks, including director Danny Boyle quitting over creative differences.
And star Craig reportedly tore an ankle ligament during early filming in Jamaica, halting production while he recovered.
Kjetil says an injury during the chilly underwater scenes would have been a disaster.
He said: “Under the ice is incredibly cold and very dangerous, and you’re trapped – it’s not easy to get out.
“It’s hard to communicate, that’s why we use absolutely professional people, top actors – we have very few chances.”
Craig and his co-stars even had special diets in preparation, eating fatty foods such as salami, cheese, nuts and eggs.
Kjetil, who worked with Michael Fassbender on 2017 flick The Snowman, added: “Filming through the ice, it’s very special with the light.
“It’s unique to be under the ice and look at the sunlight coming through, glowing off that super crystalline lake. People will be awestruck.”
Astrup is listed as Underwater Unit Advisor for Bond25. He has worked on underwater scenes in some Norwegian productions and The Snowman. Here he is on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4202309/#cinematographer
It seems likely the scene he's talking about was the one shot on, or rather in, Lutvann i Oslo. What surprises me is that is seems like Daniel Craig is in the scene. Craig did have an underwater fight scene in SF, but it looks like this one was more demanding.
The crew are based in a ship? Wow: that's an impressive base.
During the filming of Black Widow the ship MV Bluefort had 150 passengers. In adition the small hotel and a camping site were pretty mutch full of people working on the film.
I asked this before, but people thought it was a ridiculous idea. But now we know genetics is part of the plot, could this mean that Rami Malek's character IS in fact a re-operated Blofeld?
I asked this before, but people thought it was a ridiculous idea. But now we know genetics is part of the plot, could this mean that Rami Malek's character IS in fact a re-operated Blofeld?
Q: what could possibly worse than leaving the foster-brother plot in continuity?
A: having it lead directly into a remake of Die Another Day
but our preferences aside, some sort of genetics-based hocus pocus could explain the change in actors, and Waltz once did tell us he would not be returning as Blofeld because of "tradition".
I would rather the genetics based plot was related to a vast evil scheme to rule the world, not to explain why the foster-brother is now played by a different actor.
I hope this Malek being Waltz being Blofeld thing won‘t come to fruition.
A change of ethnicity, age and...well basically everything don‘t fot the craig movies.
Compare that to the tone of Casino Royale. Thank you, next!
I hope this Malek being Waltz being Blofeld thing won‘t come to fruition.
A change of ethnicity, age and...well basically everything don‘t fot the craig movies.
Compare that to the tone of Casino Royale. Thank you, next!
I don't think that's going to be the case. I could see Malek's character being part of SPECTRE or an offshoot of SPECTRE or no connection to SPECTRE at all.....but a genetically re-engineered version of Blofeld, I don't think so. I would think EON would steer clear of a major plot point from the film that basically was the primary reason for the the re-boot in the first place. I get a feeling that any emo/personal baggage that is part of Bond 25 will have to do with Madeleine and the circumstances of Bond's life and career rather than the foster brother angle with Blofeld.....at least I hope so.
The other thing I think is promising are the quotes from Phoebe Waller-Bridge regarding her role in the Bond 25 script (but unfortunately we tend to react much less to the positive and real news than to Tab trash).
- She was not brought in to re-write or finish the script (she states that the script was finished when she was brought on) which debunks the myth perpetrated in the Tabs that the script was not finished and being written on the fly (I recall the term "s..t show"
as a quote from an alleged Hollywood "source". I guess doing a dialog polish and fleshing out some characters could be interpreted in the Tab world as not having a script. 8-)
- She's not looking to neuter James Bond, but she appears to have been tasked with making the women around him reflective of the times and more compelling.
In Waller-Bridges show Fleabag, the main character is quite flawed and dark but there is also humor in that darkness which I think w
would work well with Craig's Bond.
Q: what could possibly worse than leaving the foster-brother plot in continuity?
A: having it lead directly into a remake of Die Another Day
but our preferences aside, some sort of genetics-based hocus pocus could explain the change in actors, and Waltz once did tell us he would not be returning as Blofeld because of "tradition".
I would rather the genetics based plot was related to a vast evil scheme to rule the world, not to explain why the foster-brother is now played by a different actor.
Yeah me too: plus it's not really how genetics works- you don't use it for facelifts!
The story talked about “genetic,” so I’m not sure how we got to “ethnic,” but in any event they’re not going to go there in a Bond film.
I wrote out a long post about genetics and human variation but decided to delete it, I'm not a biologist and don't want to get any of the concepts wrong, and don't want to encourage people to start arguing about "race". Lets just say the geneticists have long since disproven any such thing as "race", but medical vulnerabilities are an inherited trait that could be exploited by a clever evil-doer, and could target a geographically isolated population, or the diaspora of a once isolated population.
I agree a genetics based plot to wipe out a selected population is a bit too dark for a Bond film. That' d be like a scientifically cutting edge genocide. Bond films usually avoid that disturbing stuff in favour of less controversial villainy, typically Western euro-snob capitalists out to rule the world and such.
Having a plot that's about a bioweapon that targets a spesific ethnic can get too dark for Bond and such a plot would have to be handled very carefully. This is only one of the ways genetics can be used in the plot, introducing genetically altered crops to create a famine or even make the crops poisonous is an example. I'm hopeful about the script. The synpsis sounded Bondian and I'm very happy the words "past" and "hacking" weren't used.
Having a plot that's about a bioweapon that targets a spesific ethnic can get too dark for Bond and such a plot would have to be handled very carefully. This is only one of the ways genetics can be used in the plot, introducing genetically altered crops to create a famine or even make the crops poisonous is an example.
Yeah, I could imagine the baddie maybe releasing some virus that removes a gene in everyone, making them dependent on some drug he produces and sells or something. It could be anything: the idea of the baddie exploiting genes could go in any direction.
"Clapper didn’t lay out any particular bioweapons scenarios, but scientists have previously speculated about whether CRISPR could be used to make “killer mosquitoes,” plagues that wipe out staple crops, or even a virus that snips at people’s DNA."
...introducing genetically altered crops to create a famine or even make the crops poisonous is an example...
this is the most tempting guess, as it sounds almost exactly like OHMSS, or could be hopefully the set up for a type of Garden of Death.
But the article linked to on the previous page does specifically reference "the Human Genome Project". So it's human genes, not plant genes.
Actually here's the quote:
There aren't many people in the world bright enough to bring some humour to the topic of genetics and the Human Genome Project
OK, its a funny Human Genome Project related plot, so that probably rules out genocide.
A plot can have funny moments even though it deals with genocide. I even remember a funny line (in a dark situation, obviously) in Schindler's list". "Life is beautiful" is a more obvious example. What we can assume in a Bond movie is that no villan will succeed carrying out a genocidal plan. In fact the only Bond villan who succeeded was Silva in SF, and his goals were far more Limited.
Having a plot that's about a bioweapon that targets a spesific ethnic can get too dark for Bond and such a plot would have to be handled very carefully.
That's basically a campaign in 'Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare'.
Having a plot that's about a bioweapon that targets a spesific ethnic can get too dark for Bond and such a plot would have to be handled very carefully. This is only one of the ways genetics can be used in the plot, introducing genetically altered crops to create a famine or even make the crops poisonous is an example. I'm hopeful about the script. The synpsis sounded Bondian and I'm very happy the words "past" and "hacking" weren't used.
I agree. As long as James Bond is white, the topic of any ethnic group cannot be touched. Bond cannot be a "white savior" for other ethnicities. And if white people specifically are attacked, it's insulting to other ethnic groups that have faced persecution.
A plot can have funny moments even though it deals with genocide. I even remember a funny line (in a dark situation, obviously) in Schindler's list". "Life is beautiful" is a more obvious example. What we can assume in a Bond movie is that no villan will succeed carrying out a genocidal plan. In fact the only Bond villan who succeeded was Silva in SF, and his goals were far more Limited.
Silva wasn't the only villain who succeeded. Mr White succeeded in Casino Royale because he got the money at the end.
But White was shot in the leg and captured by Bond at the end of CR, so if you see the film in isolation he lost some too. Still, good point.
Sure, he was captured, but he wasn't killed and he (and his secret organisation/Quantum) still had the money. More of a win. Bond has Mr White but failed his mission and has a broken heart, so it's a solid lose for Bond.
If I was writing the script, one of the things I would do would be to retroactively erase the "Blofeld is Oberhauser" thing.
I would just make Spectre (the film, not the organisation) be a red herring, and all of Oberhauser's stories be either completely made up or half-truths. The real Blofeld would have let him "take over" the organisation in order for it to be truly hidden. You could even lift a page from the excellent Warren Ellis comics and let it resurface a movie or two later as Eidolon.
That being said, a bioweapons story, if properly written, could be a great thing to watch. Going back to the comics, the Vargr story had that as a plot point and frankly, it worked great.
As far as I'm concerned, the less connection the new movie has with the previous four, the better. A reference here or there, and/or a character (i.e., Madeleine) is fine. But to make all movies be artificially connected (like, "Oh, yes, remember Silva? I was behind THAT as well...) was, to me, quite dumb.
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A plane with equipment for the filming on the Atlantic Sea Road has landed in Norway. If the permit papers from the helicopter company is correct, and that's fair to assume, it's for Bond 25 :007)
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/film/james-bond-film-insider-spills-16238924
Underwater cameraman Kjetil C Astrup disclosed details of the dramatic filming for Bond 25.
He told the Sunday Mirror: “It’s probably the most extreme stuff Daniel and some of the other actors have ever done.
“This Bond is the jubilee, 25th, and most probably Daniel’s last movie – so it has to be special.
“In Spectre they had scenes with Daniel falling into water in Venice, but they’ve never had underwater fight scenes, and never had actors going under the ice. We’re breaking new ground.”
He said the stunt was so dangerous that emergency divers were on standby during the 1ºC plunge in Oslo.
The dramatic scenes are said to be part of a bid by producers to ensure the success of the blockbuster after a string of setbacks.
Craig and other actors trained in diving tanks for weeks before heading abroad.
And Astrup told how he spent weeks attaching a rig to the ice ready for the filming.
He said: “The water is one degree Celsius – you need to use special equipment or else your scuba gear freezes.
“An ice cube forms around your breathing apparatus, blocking the air. We dive with electrical heating vests and go straight to heating pools when we come up.
“We had to introduce camera gear, actors, lots of people on to the ice, with a ton of equipment. That’s where it gets dangerous.”
The movie has suffered a string of setbacks, including director Danny Boyle quitting over creative differences.
And star Craig reportedly tore an ankle ligament during early filming in Jamaica, halting production while he recovered.
Kjetil says an injury during the chilly underwater scenes would have been a disaster.
He said: “Under the ice is incredibly cold and very dangerous, and you’re trapped – it’s not easy to get out.
“It’s hard to communicate, that’s why we use absolutely professional people, top actors – we have very few chances.”
Craig and his co-stars even had special diets in preparation, eating fatty foods such as salami, cheese, nuts and eggs.
Kjetil, who worked with Michael Fassbender on 2017 flick The Snowman, added: “Filming through the ice, it’s very special with the light.
“It’s unique to be under the ice and look at the sunlight coming through, glowing off that super crystalline lake. People will be awestruck.”
Astrup is listed as Underwater Unit Advisor for Bond25. He has worked on underwater scenes in some Norwegian productions and The Snowman. Here he is on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4202309/#cinematographer
It seems likely the scene he's talking about was the one shot on, or rather in, Lutvann i Oslo. What surprises me is that is seems like Daniel Craig is in the scene. Craig did have an underwater fight scene in SF, but it looks like this one was more demanding.
During the filming of Black Widow the ship MV Bluefort had 150 passengers. In adition the small hotel and a camping site were pretty mutch full of people working on the film.
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I would say that is on the table.
Q: what could possibly worse than leaving the foster-brother plot in continuity?
A: having it lead directly into a remake of Die Another Day
but our preferences aside, some sort of genetics-based hocus pocus could explain the change in actors, and Waltz once did tell us he would not be returning as Blofeld because of "tradition".
I would rather the genetics based plot was related to a vast evil scheme to rule the world, not to explain why the foster-brother is now played by a different actor.
A change of ethnicity, age and...well basically everything don‘t fot the craig movies.
Compare that to the tone of Casino Royale. Thank you, next!
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I don't think that's going to be the case. I could see Malek's character being part of SPECTRE or an offshoot of SPECTRE or no connection to SPECTRE at all.....but a genetically re-engineered version of Blofeld, I don't think so. I would think EON would steer clear of a major plot point from the film that basically was the primary reason for the the re-boot in the first place. I get a feeling that any emo/personal baggage that is part of Bond 25 will have to do with Madeleine and the circumstances of Bond's life and career rather than the foster brother angle with Blofeld.....at least I hope so.
The other thing I think is promising are the quotes from Phoebe Waller-Bridge regarding her role in the Bond 25 script (but unfortunately we tend to react much less to the positive and real news than to Tab trash).
- She was not brought in to re-write or finish the script (she states that the script was finished when she was brought on) which debunks the myth perpetrated in the Tabs that the script was not finished and being written on the fly (I recall the term "s..t show"
as a quote from an alleged Hollywood "source". I guess doing a dialog polish and fleshing out some characters could be interpreted in the Tab world as not having a script. 8-)
- She's not looking to neuter James Bond, but she appears to have been tasked with making the women around him reflective of the times and more compelling.
In Waller-Bridges show Fleabag, the main character is quite flawed and dark but there is also humor in that darkness which I think w
would work well with Craig's Bond.
Yeah me too: plus it's not really how genetics works- you don't use it for facelifts!
"The last day of filming was on Friday", writing about Børning 3. Black Widow has also left.
https://www.andalsnes-avis.no/nyheter/2019/06/02/Da-Hollywood-kom-til-Rauma-19166093.ece
I agree a genetics based plot to wipe out a selected population is a bit too dark for a Bond film. That' d be like a scientifically cutting edge genocide. Bond films usually avoid that disturbing stuff in favour of less controversial villainy, typically Western euro-snob capitalists out to rule the world and such.
you're quite right, but I'm sure the villains facelift in Die Another Day was explained as some sort of "DNA therapy", whatever that means.
Yeah, I could imagine the baddie maybe releasing some virus that removes a gene in everyone, making them dependent on some drug he produces and sells or something. It could be anything: the idea of the baddie exploiting genes could go in any direction.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600774/top-us-intelligence-official-calls-gene-editing-a-wmd-threat/
"Clapper didn’t lay out any particular bioweapons scenarios, but scientists have previously speculated about whether CRISPR could be used to make “killer mosquitoes,” plagues that wipe out staple crops, or even a virus that snips at people’s DNA."
But the article linked to on the previous page does specifically reference "the Human Genome Project". So it's human genes, not plant genes.
Actually here's the quote: OK, its a funny Human Genome Project related plot, so that probably rules out genocide.
That's basically a campaign in 'Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare'.
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I agree. As long as James Bond is white, the topic of any ethnic group cannot be touched. Bond cannot be a "white savior" for other ethnicities. And if white people specifically are attacked, it's insulting to other ethnic groups that have faced persecution.
Silva wasn't the only villain who succeeded. Mr White succeeded in Casino Royale because he got the money at the end.
Sure, he was captured, but he wasn't killed and he (and his secret organisation/Quantum) still had the money. More of a win. Bond has Mr White but failed his mission and has a broken heart, so it's a solid lose for Bond.
I would just make Spectre (the film, not the organisation) be a red herring, and all of Oberhauser's stories be either completely made up or half-truths. The real Blofeld would have let him "take over" the organisation in order for it to be truly hidden. You could even lift a page from the excellent Warren Ellis comics and let it resurface a movie or two later as Eidolon.
That being said, a bioweapons story, if properly written, could be a great thing to watch. Going back to the comics, the Vargr story had that as a plot point and frankly, it worked great.
As far as I'm concerned, the less connection the new movie has with the previous four, the better. A reference here or there, and/or a character (i.e., Madeleine) is fine. But to make all movies be artificially connected (like, "Oh, yes, remember Silva? I was behind THAT as well...) was, to me, quite dumb.
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A drone video from the location in better weather than the film will get …
https://youtu.be/kOWKGRWEvCQ
After a series reboot, you can reintroduce Blofeld with a different (better) back story.