I prefer the symbolism of the destruction of Berlin in the painting foreshadowing the planned destruction of …… of a city, country etc. planned by the villan.
Reviewing the pictures and video of Prince Charles' visit, here is what I think has been confirmed, and some speculation on my part;
1. M's office will be seen - I'm guessing this is at the end of the film.
2. The MI6 offices we saw in Spectre with the 'fate of glass' scene make a re-appearance
3. Moneypenny's seen in the MI6 office
4. Lashana Lynch may be seen in the MI6 office - or she may be at Pinewood for the Cuba scenes
5. Five DB5s have been made suggesting the DB5 is involved in a chase. In the video, DC can be heard saying that the driver sits ontop, as they did with the Land Rover in Skyfall, so we know the DB5 will be in a chase sequence.
6. There's a fight in a bar - Cuba maybe?
7. A location in 'Cuba' is called the Palacio Velazquez, location of the bar?
8. They are filming until October, which is the usual seven months for a Bond production.
9. Felix Leiter is the one who brings Bond out of retirement.
Oops forgot to add, 10. Q's lab will be seen in Bond25. - my guess is this could be seen at various points in the film with Lashana getting her gadgets, for example, and Bond's return to MI6; before any UK based action sequence.
Reviewing the pictures and video of Prince Charles' visit, here is what I think has been confirmed, and some speculation on my part;
1. M's office will be seen - I'm guessing this is at the end of the film.
2. The MI6 offices we saw in Spectre with the 'fate of glass' scene make a re-appearance
3. Moneypeny's seen in the MI6 office
4. Lashana Lynch may be seen in the MI6 office - or she may be at Pinewood for the Cuba scenes
5. Five DB5s have been made suggesting the DB5 is involved in a chase. In the video, DC can be heard saying that the driver sits ontop, as they did with the Land Rover in Skyfall, so we know the DB5 will be in a chase sequence.
6. There's a fight in a bar - Cuba maybe?
7. A location in 'Cuba' is called the Palacio Velazquez, location of the bar?
8. They are filming until October, which is the usual seven months for a Bond production.
9. Felix Leiter is the one who brings Bond out of retirement.
The MI6Community picture also shows on the blown up screen the M office scene number, 143C
Spectre doesn't have a 143C, it has 143A and B. It's the scene where Bond and Madeleine are at the meteor crater base and meet Oberhauser/Blofeld for the first time, which is about 1 hour 41 minutes in. IMHO the second act ends with the massive explosion when Bond and Madeleine escape the base.
Casino Royale has a scene 143, no A, B or C, and that is when Bond is in the poker game and he thinks he knows Le Chiffre's tell and instead Le Chiffre clears him out. In the film that is at 1 hour 29 minutes. "You must have thought I was bluffing Mr Bond." IMHO this is earlier in this film's second act as I think that ends with Le Chiffre's death at the hands of Mr White, 1 hour 53 minutes into the film.
The Other Place also posts a Skyfall clapperboard pictue showing what appears to be a destroyed door and the clapperboard has the much later scene number, V147P, and it also says, 'day for dusk'; so it appears to be a scene from the Skyfall battle. Skyfall lodge's front door is blown in at 1 hour 55 minutes. This is well into this film's third act IMHO.
So, the M office scene is at about 1 hour, 30 or 40 minutes, and as we know Bond is in Cuba in IMAX scene 108H. Clearly, Bond is in the Caribbean from the beginning of the film up to 1 hour 30 minutes at least.
We also know from the Prince Charles visit that it is definitley Felix Leiter who brings Bond out of retirement, and not a visit by Lashana Lynch. This makes me think that TMWTGG is the book Bond25 is partly based on and in the end of that book Bond is offered a Knighthood. Then I remembered that Chris Corbould has made comments about Bond25 and Boyle's 2012 Olympics short film and people wondered what he meant (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/925510/#p925510) and now I am thinking that while in TMWTGG Bond declined the Knighthood, DC's Bond is going to accept it and we'll get an actual Royal family member cameo.
We also know from the Prince Charles visit that it is definitley Felix Leiter who brings Bond out of retirement, and not a visit by Lashana Lynch. This makes me think that TMWTGG is the book Bond25 is partly based on and in the end of that book Bond is offered a Knighthood. Then I remembered that Chris Corbould has made comments about Bond25 and Boyle's 2012 Olympics short film and people wondered what he meant (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/925510/#p925510) and now I am thinking that while in TMWTGG Bond declined the Knighthood, DC's Bond is going to accept it and we'll get an actual Royal family member cameo.
Brilliant idea there. And what a fitting end(?) to Dan's era that would be. Hope it pans out this way.
Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
The Aston's are always great....what really matters is what they do with them. The car chase in SPECTRE was pretty meh. If there is a car chase in Bond 25, whether Bond is driving the latest Aston Martin Supercar or a family sedan, it needs to be a great car chase that is worthy of the franchise.
I think the Citroen chase was the best ever, they did a lot of creative stunts with that car crashing through the village markets and tumbling over the switchbacks. Like circus stunts.
A lot of the fancier looking cars are just used for special effects representing the gadgets, and don't really get to be used in creative chases.
My guess is Bond would have a cover that was befitting such a car, if indeed he drives it.
which reminds me, his cover when he received the lotus was marine biologist. Is marine biologist such a lucrative profession? no wonder Stromberg feels the need to test his basic knowledge of fish.
that does look like the sort of thing that is danger of having an invisible cloaking device.
Maybe Bond25 is not just meant to take place 5 years after the events in SPECTRE, but 5 years into our own future as well?
afterall, the rumours were once that it was to be somehow like Logan and that was set in the near future.
The Aston's are always great....what really matters is what they do with them. The car chase in SPECTRE was pretty meh. If there is a car chase in Bond 25, whether Bond is driving the latest Aston Martin Supercar or a family sedan, it needs to be a great car chase that is worthy of the franchise.
I think the Citroen chase was the best ever, they did a lot of creative stunts with that car crashing through the village markets and tumbling over the switchbacks. Like circus stunts.
Yeah, I'd say the two standout car chases from all Bond films are the Citroen one and the BMW car park chase: both are just very excitingly-shot.
A lot of the fancier looking cars are just used for special effects representing the gadgets, and don't really get to be used in creative chases.
Yes, very true: the newer a car is the more trouble they seem to get actually getting hold of enough examples to actually use them in stunt sequences! The exception was the DB10, but of course that was made especially for Bond so they got just the number they needed. As the Valhalla is a real new car I would suspect that they won't be able to make enough for stuntwork, especially as it's an all-new platform for Aston (I think the DB10 was based on existing Vantages..?).
Mind you, Jaguar managed to get enough CX75s together for Spectre, so you never know!
that does look like the sort of thing that is danger of having an invisible cloaking device.
Maybe Bond25 is not just meant to take place 5 years after the events in SPECTRE, but 5 years into our own future as well?
afterall, the rumours were once that it was to be somehow like Logan and that was set in the near future.
Well it is an actual real car though: it's not from the future. Well, maybe a few months in the future!
I've been thinking about the Bond25 scenes, the script's development and that Norway scene 15K.
I imagine that the original scene 15 could have been a brief flashback/dream for Madeleine showing that encounter that is described in the Spectre train scene (where Madeleine indicates she had to kill a man who had come to kill her Dad), but as the script development went on and Fukunaga wanted more Madeleine background, for example, and, possibly, they realised they could introduce the villain much earlier by having him in the flashback, the scene grew to have additional A-K scenes; assuming A-J have not been dropped.
Those scenes A-J could include external establishing shots, house interior dialogue scenes between young Madeleine and her Dad, Mr White; the arrival of the villain and his henchmen on skis or in cars; the subsequent attack on and fights inside the house, and then eventually scene K, is, one assumes, young Madeleine falling through the ice.
When you look at scripts' scenes with A, B, Cs etc, they typically are a sequence of scenes that are for a particular location and set of characters, for example, Bond and Madeleine in Blofeld's lair. These lettered scenes do not see any switching to other characters and locations, in my experience.
The H on scene 108H, then, may equally be because this Havana, Cuba action scene (I am guessing that the picture from the Cuba set that showed the IMAX clapperboard is from the night time gun battle sequence being filmed at Pinewood) has evolved and now Lashana Lynch's character is introduced when she saves Bond and Leiter; as speculated elsewhere.
I am increasingly of the opinion that Lynch will have inherited Bond’s 007 designation after his retirement.
The safari jacket she’s wearing, the Valhalla (which I bet will be hers)—these seems like in-jokes. And I bet there will be actual jokes when Q says “007” and they both respond. Not to mention how this addresses the political moment. Babs can boast, “I made 007 a black woman!” Without having had to make James Bond female.
And of course Bond will get his 007 back by the movie’s end after Lynch dies valiantly.
I am increasingly of the opinion that Lynch will have inherited Bond’s 007 designation after his retirement.
The safari jacket she’s wearing, the Valhalla (which I bet will be hers)—these seems like in-jokes. And I bet there will be actual jokes when Q says “007” and they both respond. Not to mention how this addresses the political moment. Babs can boast, “I made 007 a black woman!” Without having had to make James Bond female.
And of course Bond will get his 007 back by the movie’s end after Lynch dies valiantly.
I agree that everything you predicted is probable up until Lynch’s character dying. I think she’ll make it. Might even save Bond’s life in the process (which some will bemoan and others will celebrate as groundbreaking, but we know that Bond girls have been saving his skin since FRWL and as recently as Spectre). I also think Bond will either stay retired or die. Someone’s idea about being knighted is interesting.
If Lynch's character has the designation 007 in the beginng of Bond25 and survives, When a new actor gets cast as James Bond for Bond26 (I think that's what'll happen) some members of the audience will say: "why can't Lynch be Bond again? She's already been 007 and still they had to cast a white man!" That statement requires some kind of belief in the codename theory, but idiots pay tickets to the cinema and post on the internet too. I think Lynch's character has to die an heroic death if she has the 007 designation at any time. Anything else will cause unwanted and unnecessary congusion before during the casting of the NeXT Bond actor.
If Lynch's character has the designation 007 in the beginng of Bond25 and survives, When a new actor gets cast as James Bond for Bond26 (I think that's what'll happen) some members of the audience will say: "why can't Lynch be Bond again? She's already been 007 and still they had to cast a white man!" That statement requires some kind of belief in the codename theory, but idiots pay tickets to the cinema and post on the internet too. I think Lynch's character has to die an heroic death if she has the 007 designation at any time. Anything else will cause unwanted and unnecessary congusion before during the casting of the NeXT Bond actor.
Do you think the writers would really have that much forethought (thinking about how B25 plot would affect B26 or the casting of the next Bond) when writing this script?
I hope they will, but I fear you're right. These are the people who thought keeping Waltz' real identity secret and making him Bond's steph brother was a good idea. Fingers crossed …..
I am increasingly of the opinion that Lynch will have inherited Bond’s 007 designation after his retirement.
The safari jacket she’s wearing, the Valhalla (which I bet will be hers)—these seems like in-jokes. And I bet there will be actual jokes when Q says “007” and they both respond. Not to mention how this addresses the political moment. Babs can boast, “I made 007 a black woman!” Without having had to make James Bond female.
And of course Bond will get his 007 back by the movie’s end after Lynch dies valiantly.
So Lynch is the reincarnation of Roger Moore's Bond? )
To be perfectly honest, I don't have any real issues with this stuff except I hope the film focuses on Bond and not get bogged down with bunch of hooha with secondary characters like Lynch's MI6 agent. This is probably Craig's last Bond film and apparently (as per Fukunaga) the conclusion of the journey of Craig's Bond. I think there may be some of what Cherverian is theorizing but I think it will be kept to a minimum. What keeps me positive, is Fukunaga and Waller-Bridge. I don't think Fukunaga is about a lot of silly plot contrivances and Waller-Bridge writes with a real edge and very dark comic wit that will prevent the female characters, like Lynch from becoming some sort of silly patronizing stereotypic Hollywood writer's idea of a strong feminist character which would stop the film in its tracks....I hope.
If Lynch's character has the designation 007 in the beginng of Bond25 and survives, When a new actor gets cast as James Bond for Bond26 (I think that's what'll happen) some members of the audience will say: "why can't Lynch be Bond again? She's already been 007 and still they had to cast a white man!" That statement requires some kind of belief in the codename theory, but idiots pay tickets to the cinema and post on the internet too. I think Lynch's character has to die an heroic death if she has the 007 designation at any time. Anything else will cause unwanted and unnecessary congusion before during the casting of the NeXT Bond actor.
I think she might even be a baddie. Old vs new Aston Martin chase could be fun.
... I hope the film focuses on Bond and not get bogged down with bunch of hooha with secondary characters like Lynch's MI6 agent. This is probably Craig's last Bond film and apparently (as per Fukunaga) the conclusion of the journey of Craig's Bond.
I worry about hat too. (one of) my issue(s) with Die Another Day was all the focus on Jinx, since it was already announced they were hoping for a Jinx spinoff series. She was a very distracting character who actually contributed little to the plot, at the expense of more potentially interesting plot threads (Miranda Frost), and stole screentime that oughta have been Brosnan's
I don't want this film turning into an ensemble piece. Have no problem with Bond interacting or even teaming up to an extent with others, but I don't want to see too much of a team effort ala the MI films.
I don't want this film turning into an ensemble piece. Have no problem with Bond interacting or even teaming up to an extent with others, but I don't want to see too much of a team effort ala the MI films.
It's kind of funny that the usual complaint you hear about the MI films is that they're not team-based enough like the TV show was and it's all about Tom; but Bond mustn't be team-based like the MI films are!
At various points we heard someone with inside knowledge say that part of the problem with Boyle was that "Bond shouldn't be a supporting character in his own movie," and elsewhere that "It was too late to start from scratch," causing some to wonder if Fukunaga is using Boyle's framework (or indeed, if Boyle inherited the framework himself). One wonders if the spirit of all that is still in play, and Bond is now some whispered-about legend of MI6 when this film takes place, and the dramatic character arcs are filled by supporting characters bouncing off this living myth? In a weird way it would return the franchise to the days where Bond as a character doesn't grow or go through any kind of character, but the featured players do.
Growth isn't as important as screen time. Bond is supposed to be in at least 90% of the scenes. This sounds like Dark Knight Rises where Batman shows up an hour into the film, fights for 5 minutes, gets his ass kicked, and spends the rest of the film trying to climb out of a well. That was considered growth. Since the PTS is set to be some flashback, presumably one we have already experienced through monologue on the Morocco train which makes it superfluous right off the bat, that means no Bond on active duty in the PTS or in Act One: Jamaica.
In the old films Bond is always on holiday after the PTS, but it only takes him like 2 minutes to get back to Mi6 to receive debriefing. Usually by around the 25-30 minute mark he is off on the mission. This was the Fleming formula, task and execution. Bond should feel like a domesticated animal after 5 years and should jump to get back to work.
Since Lashana Lynch is Jamaican, I thought she would get a bit part in the Jamaica section. So far Jamaica is the most apt location to wear a safari jacket. It could be a very bit part. She could be Quarrelita and simply ferry Felix across to Bond's island. As for her getting her own Bond film, they can complain about diversity all they want but no one is going to see it without an attractive male lead. She is not attractive as a Bond girl, much less as Fem Bond. She cannot carry the film and I don't even see her in a worthy capacity as a sidekick to Bond. It would make more sense to team up with Felix than have two field agents from the same Intelligence (I'm trying to think if that's ever been done in the franchise or what purpose it served. Miranda Frost and Miss Fields - only when M doesn't trust Bond). Well, in this outing Bond is recruited by the CIA and not Mi6, after all.
But the cars unravel a lot. The Vantage seems like another passing reference to past 007. Who knows if it will actually do anything or if it will just be in an Mi6 museum lined up with the DB5, the Esprit, the DBS and either the Vanquish or one of Brosnan's BMWs. Maybe this is there big codename reference. They wanted to get all the Bond's back and line them up in their cars - of course, Moore's Bond died with Moore and Connery's Bond, even though he outlived Kincade, has too much respect for himself that he would spit on their script, and no one even knows who the Hell Lazenby Bond is if he did show up. I guess if they just got Dalton it would be kind of cool and wouldn't saturate it. The Valhalla represents future 007. If they want to actually make money, they will have Craig Bond steal it from Fem Bond, thus symbolically and literally snatching his and the franchise's future from the clutches of radical feminism. It is hard for me to picture any woman behind the wheel of that much car, albeit a Mayday type perhaps. However, the name Valhalla is probably a reference as well. James Bond will die in the worst kept secret since MY. NAME. IS. KAAAAAHHHHNNN.
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I don't think Q's lab is now reminiscent of it in Goldfinger.
Oops forgot to add, 10. Q's lab will be seen in Bond25. - my guess is this could be seen at various points in the film with Lashana getting her gadgets, for example, and Bond's return to MI6; before any UK based action sequence.
One Twitter account has shown a picture of DC with a visitor badge on in M's office.
https://twitter.com/BondEnArgentina/status/1142204093475241984
And the Other Place has blown up part of the picture of the screens Prince Charles was watching and it shows DC wearing the visitor badge while filming the scene, so the Tweeted pic hasn't been photoshopped.
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/19099/bond-25-filming-thread-minor-spoilers-allowed/p86
The MI6Community picture also shows on the blown up screen the M office scene number, 143C
Spectre doesn't have a 143C, it has 143A and B. It's the scene where Bond and Madeleine are at the meteor crater base and meet Oberhauser/Blofeld for the first time, which is about 1 hour 41 minutes in. IMHO the second act ends with the massive explosion when Bond and Madeleine escape the base.
Casino Royale has a scene 143, no A, B or C, and that is when Bond is in the poker game and he thinks he knows Le Chiffre's tell and instead Le Chiffre clears him out. In the film that is at 1 hour 29 minutes. "You must have thought I was bluffing Mr Bond." IMHO this is earlier in this film's second act as I think that ends with Le Chiffre's death at the hands of Mr White, 1 hour 53 minutes into the film.
The Other Place also posts a Skyfall clapperboard pictue showing what appears to be a destroyed door and the clapperboard has the much later scene number, V147P, and it also says, 'day for dusk'; so it appears to be a scene from the Skyfall battle. Skyfall lodge's front door is blown in at 1 hour 55 minutes. This is well into this film's third act IMHO.
So, the M office scene is at about 1 hour, 30 or 40 minutes, and as we know Bond is in Cuba in IMAX scene 108H. Clearly, Bond is in the Caribbean from the beginning of the film up to 1 hour 30 minutes at least.
We also know from the Prince Charles visit that it is definitley Felix Leiter who brings Bond out of retirement, and not a visit by Lashana Lynch. This makes me think that TMWTGG is the book Bond25 is partly based on and in the end of that book Bond is offered a Knighthood. Then I remembered that Chris Corbould has made comments about Bond25 and Boyle's 2012 Olympics short film and people wondered what he meant (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/925510/#p925510) and now I am thinking that while in TMWTGG Bond declined the Knighthood, DC's Bond is going to accept it and we'll get an actual Royal family member cameo.
Brilliant idea there. And what a fitting end(?) to Dan's era that would be. Hope it pans out this way.
I think it's by an artist called Thomas Buttersworth but I've not been able to identify the specific picture.
If anyone has a large Hi-Res copy of it that'd be much appreciated.
A lot of the fancier looking cars are just used for special effects representing the gadgets, and don't really get to be used in creative chases.
which reminds me, his cover when he received the lotus was marine biologist. Is marine biologist such a lucrative profession? no wonder Stromberg feels the need to test his basic knowledge of fish.
Maybe Bond25 is not just meant to take place 5 years after the events in SPECTRE, but 5 years into our own future as well?
afterall, the rumours were once that it was to be somehow like Logan and that was set in the near future.
Yeah, I'd say the two standout car chases from all Bond films are the Citroen one and the BMW car park chase: both are just very excitingly-shot.
Yes, very true: the newer a car is the more trouble they seem to get actually getting hold of enough examples to actually use them in stunt sequences! The exception was the DB10, but of course that was made especially for Bond so they got just the number they needed. As the Valhalla is a real new car I would suspect that they won't be able to make enough for stuntwork, especially as it's an all-new platform for Aston (I think the DB10 was based on existing Vantages..?).
Mind you, Jaguar managed to get enough CX75s together for Spectre, so you never know!
Well it is an actual real car though: it's not from the future. Well, maybe a few months in the future!
I imagine that the original scene 15 could have been a brief flashback/dream for Madeleine showing that encounter that is described in the Spectre train scene (where Madeleine indicates she had to kill a man who had come to kill her Dad), but as the script development went on and Fukunaga wanted more Madeleine background, for example, and, possibly, they realised they could introduce the villain much earlier by having him in the flashback, the scene grew to have additional A-K scenes; assuming A-J have not been dropped.
Those scenes A-J could include external establishing shots, house interior dialogue scenes between young Madeleine and her Dad, Mr White; the arrival of the villain and his henchmen on skis or in cars; the subsequent attack on and fights inside the house, and then eventually scene K, is, one assumes, young Madeleine falling through the ice.
When you look at scripts' scenes with A, B, Cs etc, they typically are a sequence of scenes that are for a particular location and set of characters, for example, Bond and Madeleine in Blofeld's lair. These lettered scenes do not see any switching to other characters and locations, in my experience.
The H on scene 108H, then, may equally be because this Havana, Cuba action scene (I am guessing that the picture from the Cuba set that showed the IMAX clapperboard is from the night time gun battle sequence being filmed at Pinewood) has evolved and now Lashana Lynch's character is introduced when she saves Bond and Leiter; as speculated elsewhere.
The safari jacket she’s wearing, the Valhalla (which I bet will be hers)—these seems like in-jokes. And I bet there will be actual jokes when Q says “007” and they both respond. Not to mention how this addresses the political moment. Babs can boast, “I made 007 a black woman!” Without having had to make James Bond female.
And of course Bond will get his 007 back by the movie’s end after Lynch dies valiantly.
I agree that everything you predicted is probable up until Lynch’s character dying. I think she’ll make it. Might even save Bond’s life in the process (which some will bemoan and others will celebrate as groundbreaking, but we know that Bond girls have been saving his skin since FRWL and as recently as Spectre). I also think Bond will either stay retired or die. Someone’s idea about being knighted is interesting.
Do you think the writers would really have that much forethought (thinking about how B25 plot would affect B26 or the casting of the next Bond) when writing this script?
Fleming's? It's at the end of his last novel
So Lynch is the reincarnation of Roger Moore's Bond?
To be perfectly honest, I don't have any real issues with this stuff except I hope the film focuses on Bond and not get bogged down with bunch of hooha with secondary characters like Lynch's MI6 agent. This is probably Craig's last Bond film and apparently (as per Fukunaga) the conclusion of the journey of Craig's Bond. I think there may be some of what Cherverian is theorizing but I think it will be kept to a minimum. What keeps me positive, is Fukunaga and Waller-Bridge. I don't think Fukunaga is about a lot of silly plot contrivances and Waller-Bridge writes with a real edge and very dark comic wit that will prevent the female characters, like Lynch from becoming some sort of silly patronizing stereotypic Hollywood writer's idea of a strong feminist character which would stop the film in its tracks....I hope.
I think she might even be a baddie. Old vs new Aston Martin chase could be fun.
It's kind of funny that the usual complaint you hear about the MI films is that they're not team-based enough like the TV show was and it's all about Tom; but Bond mustn't be team-based like the MI films are!
In the old films Bond is always on holiday after the PTS, but it only takes him like 2 minutes to get back to Mi6 to receive debriefing. Usually by around the 25-30 minute mark he is off on the mission. This was the Fleming formula, task and execution. Bond should feel like a domesticated animal after 5 years and should jump to get back to work.
Since Lashana Lynch is Jamaican, I thought she would get a bit part in the Jamaica section. So far Jamaica is the most apt location to wear a safari jacket. It could be a very bit part. She could be Quarrelita and simply ferry Felix across to Bond's island. As for her getting her own Bond film, they can complain about diversity all they want but no one is going to see it without an attractive male lead. She is not attractive as a Bond girl, much less as Fem Bond. She cannot carry the film and I don't even see her in a worthy capacity as a sidekick to Bond. It would make more sense to team up with Felix than have two field agents from the same Intelligence (I'm trying to think if that's ever been done in the franchise or what purpose it served. Miranda Frost and Miss Fields - only when M doesn't trust Bond). Well, in this outing Bond is recruited by the CIA and not Mi6, after all.
But the cars unravel a lot.