I like the original because of the mag release, triggerguard and slightly slimmer profile.
Yes, they definitely Americanized the gun in terms of the mag release. But being American, it does feel more natural to me. That said, I would have rather them kept the original style.
I agree. Bond needs a distinctive and stylish gun. The quality is secondary.
I am not agree with you ...
The quality of a firearm is the most important ...
Remember the case with bond's Beretta in Doctor No ... Jammed ...
The style, yes, but not over quality ...
Cheers -{
For a real secret agent (and any other person who rely on their handgun to stay alive) the reliability of the gun is priority number one. But Bond is a fictional person and most of the audience don't know or care how many rounds jam out of 10.000 fired with that particular gun. What many of them care about is if it's recognizable and stylish.
For this reason I think the HK VP9 would be a bad choise. it looks pretty much like many other modern handguns. Even if 007 used a VP9 for several more films most members of the public couldn't say if the gun belongs to Bond, Ethan Hunt or Black Widow if they saw a photo of it.
I think Bond should keep the Walther PPK as his consealed carry gun and use a mix of service pistols in obvious combat situations. VP9 is one of many handguns that works fine in that role.
If he did switch to a never model I think the Walther PPS M2 or the Beretta PX4 Storm Compact are good candidates. Bond has a history with both companies, they are good for consealed carry and they look distinctive and stylish (especially the Beretta)
I like the original because of the mag release, triggerguard and slightly slimmer profile.
Yes, they definitely Americanized the gun in terms of the mag release. But being American, it does feel more natural to me. That said, I would have rather them kept the original style.
This is something of an enigma to me, so if any of you know something about this, please chime in: Why is the push button mag release called "American" when it was first popularized by Georg Luger in model 1900 Pistole Parabellum? Am I missing an earlier American firearm that had this feature that was subsequently copied by Mr Luger.
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Because it was adopted by the US and used on all autos. Whereas Europe also adopted the heel release that they used predominantly. Later replaced by the paddle.
The US prefer the push button over the paddle and heel methods of release.
Because it was adopted by the US and used on all autos. Whereas Europe also adopted the heel release that they used predominantly. Later replaced by the paddle.
The US prefer the push button over the paddle and heel methods of release.
But...but...but Colt didn't add this feature to their pistols until the model 1909 prototype, Savage never did, S&W didn't add it to their guns until Model 41 in 1947, Ruger, well they manufactured pistols well to the 2000's with heel release. Yes there were plenty European semi auto pistols with heel releases, but then again there weren't many American semi auto manufacturers per se. When the US semi auto production really kicked off with the dawn of the wonder nine, even Europeans had switched mostly to button release. Right?
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
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Ash carries a Beretta M9A3 in desert tan/black. Primo carries an AKS-74U with typical triangular side-folder and FAB Defense "Krinkov" Quad Rail Handguard System and fore grip. It is the same rifle used by Bond in Cuba, and presumably, taken from Primo. Also, there's a Heckler & Koch VP9 in Primo's leg holster.
Bonus detail for you: Nomi carries a Glock 17 with extended magazine...with 'add ons'.
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IMFDB just updated the No Time To Die page, it appears in addition to the Walther PPK and Sig Sauer P226, James Bond will also use a Browning Hi Power (kept in his Jamaican home) along with a Beretta ARX-160 assault' rife, a MK 18 Mod 0 rifle (a shorter version of the famed Colt M4 used military special forces personnel), and an AKS74U rifle (previously used by Pierce Brosnan in Goldeneye and the beginning of Die Another Day). Here is a link: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/No_Time_to_Die
IMFDB just updated the No Time To Die page, it appears in addition to the Walther PPK and Sig Sauer P226, James Bond will also use a Browning Hi Power (kept in his Jamaican home) along with a Beretta ARX-160 assault' rife, a MK 18 Mod 0 rifle (a shorter version of the famed Colt M4 used military special forces personnel), and an AKS74U rifle (previously used by Pierce Brosnan in Goldeneye and the beginning of Die Another Day). Here is a link: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/No_Time_to_Die
I just took a look at that and found it quite interesting, especially the linking of Bond's weapons of choice with his SBS background. It could just be coincidence, but it's nice to see that the film makers are using some logical basis on Bond's choice of firearms.
Stand by for Asp9mm's denunciation of that site. 8-)
As popular as Glocks are, professional circles consider them the "Toyota Corolla" of pistols due to the brand's circulation, price point and reliability. Aesthetically they're not all that sexy IMO.
The P226 has SAS provenance, so it makes sense.
Humor me and disregard SPECTRE's helo scene for a moment. In the spirit of DC's Bond adding a bit more realism to the franchise, the PPK has IMO taken a back seat to full-size combat caliber handguns.
Bond's firearms should be infallibly reliable and at least somewhat exotic (kinda like his women). European brands are a logical choice.
I'm kinda surprised the Colt got so much screen time in NTTD, but I'm glad it did. The MK18's origins are firmly rooted in US Naval Special Warfare.
The Hi-Power makes sense for Craig's Bond as his personal retirement weapon. It's an old model (1935) but it was way ahead of its time and possibly the best combat pistol of World War II. It's an old school gun with vintage charm that's still extremely effective, in addition to its long life as the British service pistol.
Different suppressor to the one in SP, 3-point sling, and maybe a scope or something else on there too.
That is just such movie bullcrap. Going cool over even a modicum of reality: there is no point in sacrificing terminal effectiveness in name of concealability when you're in full tac-carb.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
So, will we see both a P226 and P226R in the film? I've been telling others that the one Bond carries in Safin's lair has the rail. In this pic below, it hangs lower underneath where the rail would go and you can kind of see the grooves on either side of that front face:
Quite frankly, one of the poster photos bothers me as we see Bond holding a PPK with a large, drop leg, tactical holster by his side (clearly for a full-sized duty weapon). I was hoping that they would work on the gun play, but apparently not.
Different suppressor to the one in SP, 3-point sling, and maybe a scope or something else on there too.
That is just such movie bullcrap. Going cool over even a modicum of reality: there is no point in sacrificing terminal effectiveness in name of concealability when you're in full tac-carb.
I love how the likely Magpul, plastic, flip-up sights are down in that photo. Not sure how she is aiming other that looking down the barrel.
Quite frankly, one of the poster photos bothers me as we see Bond holding a PPK with a large, drop leg, tactical holster by his side (clearly for a full-sized duty weapon). I was hoping that they would work on the gun play, but apparently not.
The poster was recently updated/re-released/corrected to show Bond holding a P226 (that fits his holster) rather than a PPK.
I'd love Bond to have either a Browning Hi-Power or SIG as his " retirement " carry.
...and if you really wanted some old school nostalgia, Fleming's Bond's first issued pistol at the start of WW2 would have been a Webley Mark VI .455 revolver
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Yes, they definitely Americanized the gun in terms of the mag release. But being American, it does feel more natural to me. That said, I would have rather them kept the original style.
The quality of a firearm is the most important ...
Remember the case with bond's Beretta in Doctor No ... Jammed ...
The style, yes, but not over quality ...
Cheers -{
For this reason I think the HK VP9 would be a bad choise. it looks pretty much like many other modern handguns. Even if 007 used a VP9 for several more films most members of the public couldn't say if the gun belongs to Bond, Ethan Hunt or Black Widow if they saw a photo of it.
I think Bond should keep the Walther PPK as his consealed carry gun and use a mix of service pistols in obvious combat situations. VP9 is one of many handguns that works fine in that role.
If he did switch to a never model I think the Walther PPS M2 or the Beretta PX4 Storm Compact are good candidates. Bond has a history with both companies, they are good for consealed carry and they look distinctive and stylish (especially the Beretta)
Walther
Beretta
Cheers ... -{
This is something of an enigma to me, so if any of you know something about this, please chime in: Why is the push button mag release called "American" when it was first popularized by Georg Luger in model 1900 Pistole Parabellum? Am I missing an earlier American firearm that had this feature that was subsequently copied by Mr Luger.
-Mr Arlington Beech
The US prefer the push button over the paddle and heel methods of release.
But...but...but Colt didn't add this feature to their pistols until the model 1909 prototype, Savage never did, S&W didn't add it to their guns until Model 41 in 1947, Ruger, well they manufactured pistols well to the 2000's with heel release. Yes there were plenty European semi auto pistols with heel releases, but then again there weren't many American semi auto manufacturers per se. When the US semi auto production really kicked off with the dawn of the wonder nine, even Europeans had switched mostly to button release. Right?
-Mr Arlington Beech
-Mr Arlington Beech
Bonus detail for you: Nomi carries a Glock 17 with extended magazine...with 'add ons'.
I just took a look at that and found it quite interesting, especially the linking of Bond's weapons of choice with his SBS background. It could just be coincidence, but it's nice to see that the film makers are using some logical basis on Bond's choice of firearms.
As popular as Glocks are, professional circles consider them the "Toyota Corolla" of pistols due to the brand's circulation, price point and reliability. Aesthetically they're not all that sexy IMO.
The P226 has SAS provenance, so it makes sense.
Humor me and disregard SPECTRE's helo scene for a moment. In the spirit of DC's Bond adding a bit more realism to the franchise, the PPK has IMO taken a back seat to full-size combat caliber handguns.
Bond's firearms should be infallibly reliable and at least somewhat exotic (kinda like his women). European brands are a logical choice.
I'm kinda surprised the Colt got so much screen time in NTTD, but I'm glad it did. The MK18's origins are firmly rooted in US Naval Special Warfare.
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Different suppressor to the one in SP, 3-point sling, and maybe a scope or something else on there too.
That is just such movie bullcrap. Going cool over even a modicum of reality: there is no point in sacrificing terminal effectiveness in name of concealability when you're in full tac-carb.
-Mr Arlington Beech
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I love how the likely Magpul, plastic, flip-up sights are down in that photo. Not sure how she is aiming other that looking down the barrel.
I imagine Nomi wouldn't need the sights, what with her being 007* and all. * :v
The poster was recently updated/re-released/corrected to show Bond holding a P226 (that fits his holster) rather than a PPK.
...and if you really wanted some old school nostalgia, Fleming's Bond's first issued pistol at the start of WW2 would have been a Webley Mark VI .455 revolver