"Nevertheless, after the release of the movie, Fleming, not only relieved, but impressed by Connery's performance, decided to give Scottish roots to the character as a tribute."
This is debatable to some extent. It ought to be remembered that Fleming's grandfather was Scottish. He could just have been paying tribute to his own family heritage, rather than Connery's performance...
"Nevertheless, after the release of the movie, Fleming, not only relieved, but impressed by Connery's performance, decided to give Scottish roots to the character as a tribute."
This is debatable to some extent. It ought to be remembered that Fleming's grandfather was Scottish. He could just have been paying tribute to his own family heritage, rather than Connery's performance...
Perhaps, perhaps not. The timing lets me think Connery's performance was one of the elements which encouraged Fleming to make this choice.
A lot of replies to my thread here, thanks for that, some interesting stuff however, very derailed from my 5 initial fears/hopes lol
Perhaps rename the thread 'Fleming's 3 Fears, 2 hopes' As you say interesting discussion nonetheless, it's fascinating how threads evolve and expand. All makes for a lively debate.
I think some of the concerns about Nomi replacing Bond are valid. In the past, Bond has exchanged witty rivalry with strong female characters before- see Pam Bouvier in Licence to Kill, Natalya in GoldenEye, Wai Lin in Tomorrow Never Dies and Jinx in Die Another Day. If something similar happens with Nomi, that's fine. For example, even though the aforementioned Pam, Natalya, Wai Lin and Jinx were all pitched as Bond's dramatic equal, and were all capable of challenging and bantering with him on occasion, it was 007 who actually always took the key role at the climax, killing the villain and sabotaging their evil plans. The problems will emerge, I think, if Nomi genuinely does upstage Bond's traditional central place in the narrative, which would be disappointing.
From subtle hints in the trailers, I am 80% sure she is 007 at this point. What remains to be seen is if she stays that way till the credits roll and onward to Nomi 1. Every franchise except Bond has stooped to this, it would not be surprising to me anyway.
It's possible Nomi will be a spin-off of James Bond, I guess.
This would not surprise me. She's not B26, but I wouldn't be surprised if as a stop-gap in between NTTD/B26 they did a Nomi film within the Craig continuity that's sort of a "prequel" of NTTD. Smaller budget, smaller scope. Might even be able to get it out by 2022.
Only if the film and character are received well, though.
2 is in a trailer, isn’t it?
3 if not by name, by much else.
1 is a franchise killer unless you’re rebooting in 26.
You can have any gender 007, you can have any race James Bond I’m fine with any of that, but the character James Bond being 007 is the dna of the whole piece, from the first word of Casino Royale to the last line of the NTTD script - and the reason everything works. You can have retirement, going rogue breaks, you can have spin offs, etc etc etc but you can’t escape yourself without starting over completely and then you’re just another summer blockbuster with no source material, no legacy and without 60 years of generation to generation good will.
I can see DC dying, can see a Bourne or Sopranos style ending for NTTD that is shocking, well done and decisive for D.C. era, but a permanent reset with Nomi or any other character (I’d definitely watch a Nomi spin off, in the same way I’d have watched a Camille spin off...and the supporting cast in this iteration deserve more screen time because they’re great). That would be...brave.
I certainly wouldn’t welcome a spin-off or fundamental changes in regards to JB = 007.
I am a fan of James Bond, not of a supporting character. One of the rare occasions a spin-off worked was Fast & Furious, bc the characters are interchangeable. Not so with Bond, every movie is about him.
Plus: With the state the franchise is in, I‘d rather they focused to get that to the top again (i.e. releasing in a more than casually-appearing frequency, sticking to the formula,...).
Ive been pondering on this , and I do think Nomi will die in the third act but it will be a big, sacrificial one like Mayday, where she leaves the film with more than her dignity in tact. And this will be after they stop arguing and become platonic pals. The focus is on Bond, but Nomi is treated well. Probably best case scenario IMHO.
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Ive been pondering on this , and I do think Nomi will die in the third act but it will be a big, sacrificial one like Mayday, where she leaves the film with more than her dignity in tact.
According to bits and pieces ‘leaked’ - this is NOT the case...
Ive been pondering on this , and I do think Nomi will die in the third act but it will be a big, sacrificial one like Mayday, where she leaves the film with more than her dignity in tact.
According to bits and pieces ‘leaked’ - this is NOT the case...
That's a shame, because that was what I was hoping for.
Let’s just hope most of the film is about Bond.....you know the star of this show
It makes no sense or logic that EON/MGM who wanted Craig back so badly that they waited him out until he made up his mind and ponied up huge $$$$ to pay him, would make a Craig Bond film where Craig/Bond plays second fiddle. Of course that does not mean that other characters won't have their moments and be pivotal elements. Also, remember the catch phrases that are used in movie trailers can be like internet click bait.
Let’s just hope most of the film is about Bond.....you know the star of this show
It makes no sense or logic that EON/MGM who wanted Craig back so badly that they waited him out until he made up his mind and ponied up huge $$$$ to pay him, would make a Craig Bond film where Craig/Bond plays second fiddle. Of course that does not mean that other characters won't have their moments and be pivotal elements. Also, remember the catch phrases that are used in movie trailers can be like internet click bait.
Also we have to bear in mind that these catchphrases from the trailers are one tiny tidbit in a 2.5h long movie full of dialogue.
Let’s just hope most of the film is about Bond.....you know the star of this show
It makes no sense or logic that EON/MGM who wanted Craig back so badly that they waited him out until he made up his mind and ponied up huge $$$$ to pay him, would make a Craig Bond film where Craig/Bond plays second fiddle. Of course that does not mean that other characters won't have their moments and be pivotal elements. Also, remember the catch phrases that are used in movie trailers can be like internet click bait.
On the contrary, I think DC and the producers want to show they're at the forefront of equality and having a strong female supporting cast (almost joint lead in Nomi). I don't think he will play second fiddle but I think this film will be even more a double act than we've seen previously. Bond will have more screen time but Nomi will be as crucial to 'saving the world' and the heroine as much as Bond is the hero.
Let’s just hope most of the film is about Bond.....you know the star of this show
It makes no sense or logic that EON/MGM who wanted Craig back so badly that they waited him out until he made up his mind and ponied up huge $$$$ to pay him, would make a Craig Bond film where Craig/Bond plays second fiddle. Of course that does not mean that other characters won't have their moments and be pivotal elements. Also, remember the catch phrases that are used in movie trailers can be like internet click bait.
On the contrary, I think DC and the producers want to show they're at the forefront of equality and having a strong female supporting cast (almost joint lead in Nomi). I don't think he will play second fiddle but I think this film will be even more a double act than we've seen previously. Bond will have more screen time but Nomi will be as crucial to 'saving the world' and the heroine as much as Bond is the hero.
I think what you said is possible. My only concern would be that it is well written and not done in a trite, forced, and heavy handed manner. To avoid that one of the things they need to steer clear of is making much of the conflict between Bond and Nomi gender related as it just would not fit at all with Craig's Bond who just doesn't have those issues in the previous 3 films. Judging by what little we have seen in the trailers, it does not appear that Bond and Nomi's issues are gender based but more related to age and approach to the job. Actually it appears that Nomi is more threatened by the reappearence of an older retired "00", especially one with a well deserved reputation for being a bit out of control, having a bit too many personal demons and going off the reservation.....which IMO would be a nice twist.
A couple thoughts on the Bond death possibility... I think the producers have accomplished what they set out to do and that's to create conversation. Almost every preview somehow weaves in a line or two about Bond dying. It'd be too obvious in my opinion. I just can't see them previewing Blofeld saying "...it'll be the death of you." for almost a year and then Bond dies.
A couple thoughts on the Bond death possibility... I think the producers have accomplished what they set out to do and that's to create conversation. Almost every preview somehow weaves in a line or two about Bond dying. It'd be too obvious in my opinion. I just can't see them previewing Blofeld saying "...it'll be the death of you." for almost a year and then Bond dies.
Ooooorrrr, knowing that we’d all naturally assume Bond won’t die because of the amount of dialogue they put in the trailers referencing Bond dying, they could actually have him die, fooling everyone that’s overthinking it :v
A couple thoughts on the Bond death possibility... I think the producers have accomplished what they set out to do and that's to create conversation. Almost every preview somehow weaves in a line or two about Bond dying. It'd be too obvious in my opinion. I just can't see them previewing Blofeld saying "...it'll be the death of you." for almost a year and then Bond dies.
That's exactly what I said in a previous post. It would be very strange from the producers to tease the death of their heroe before the release of the movie, unless they want it NOT to be epic and surprising. We currently live in a social media era in which any single word or any single shot from a trailer could be related to any speculation topic, without forgetting the leaks from various sources. Bond dying would be the biggest plot twist ever in the entire franchise, after almost six decades of surviving movie after movie. Taking the chance of suggesting it will finally happen would spoil everything to me. It would be like having put the line "Is Darth Vader my father ?" into the trailer of Episode V.
Furthermore, what Lashana Lynch says about the relationship between Bond and Nomi and the way they eventually accomplish the mission makes me think Bond will not die, even she doesn't say it properly:
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1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
This is debatable to some extent. It ought to be remembered that Fleming's grandfather was Scottish. He could just have been paying tribute to his own family heritage, rather than Connery's performance...
"The spectre of defeat..."
Perhaps, perhaps not. The timing lets me think Connery's performance was one of the elements which encouraged Fleming to make this choice.
Perhaps rename the thread 'Fleming's 3 Fears, 2 hopes'
"The spectre of defeat..."
This would not surprise me. She's not B26, but I wouldn't be surprised if as a stop-gap in between NTTD/B26 they did a Nomi film within the Craig continuity that's sort of a "prequel" of NTTD. Smaller budget, smaller scope. Might even be able to get it out by 2022.
Only if the film and character are received well, though.
2 looks like it could be the case, maybe at the start of the movie, but 1 and 3 and far from “confirmed”.
3 if not by name, by much else.
1 is a franchise killer unless you’re rebooting in 26.
You can have any gender 007, you can have any race James Bond I’m fine with any of that, but the character James Bond being 007 is the dna of the whole piece, from the first word of Casino Royale to the last line of the NTTD script - and the reason everything works. You can have retirement, going rogue breaks, you can have spin offs, etc etc etc but you can’t escape yourself without starting over completely and then you’re just another summer blockbuster with no source material, no legacy and without 60 years of generation to generation good will.
I can see DC dying, can see a Bourne or Sopranos style ending for NTTD that is shocking, well done and decisive for D.C. era, but a permanent reset with Nomi or any other character (I’d definitely watch a Nomi spin off, in the same way I’d have watched a Camille spin off...and the supporting cast in this iteration deserve more screen time because they’re great). That would be...brave.
I am a fan of James Bond, not of a supporting character. One of the rare occasions a spin-off worked was Fast & Furious, bc the characters are interchangeable. Not so with Bond, every movie is about him.
Plus: With the state the franchise is in, I‘d rather they focused to get that to the top again (i.e. releasing in a more than casually-appearing frequency, sticking to the formula,...).
Get one thing right before starting the next.
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According to bits and pieces ‘leaked’ - this is NOT the case...
That's a shame, because that was what I was hoping for.
It makes no sense or logic that EON/MGM who wanted Craig back so badly that they waited him out until he made up his mind and ponied up huge $$$$ to pay him, would make a Craig Bond film where Craig/Bond plays second fiddle. Of course that does not mean that other characters won't have their moments and be pivotal elements. Also, remember the catch phrases that are used in movie trailers can be like internet click bait.
Also we have to bear in mind that these catchphrases from the trailers are one tiny tidbit in a 2.5h long movie full of dialogue.
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Underpants but...... everything, it was that scary !!
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
And a huge amount on board with it as well. -{
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
On the contrary, I think DC and the producers want to show they're at the forefront of equality and having a strong female supporting cast (almost joint lead in Nomi). I don't think he will play second fiddle but I think this film will be even more a double act than we've seen previously. Bond will have more screen time but Nomi will be as crucial to 'saving the world' and the heroine as much as Bond is the hero.
I think what you said is possible. My only concern would be that it is well written and not done in a trite, forced, and heavy handed manner. To avoid that one of the things they need to steer clear of is making much of the conflict between Bond and Nomi gender related as it just would not fit at all with Craig's Bond who just doesn't have those issues in the previous 3 films. Judging by what little we have seen in the trailers, it does not appear that Bond and Nomi's issues are gender based but more related to age and approach to the job. Actually it appears that Nomi is more threatened by the reappearence of an older retired "00", especially one with a well deserved reputation for being a bit out of control, having a bit too many personal demons and going off the reservation.....which IMO would be a nice twist.
Ooooorrrr, knowing that we’d all naturally assume Bond won’t die because of the amount of dialogue they put in the trailers referencing Bond dying, they could actually have him die, fooling everyone that’s overthinking it :v
That's exactly what I said in a previous post. It would be very strange from the producers to tease the death of their heroe before the release of the movie, unless they want it NOT to be epic and surprising. We currently live in a social media era in which any single word or any single shot from a trailer could be related to any speculation topic, without forgetting the leaks from various sources. Bond dying would be the biggest plot twist ever in the entire franchise, after almost six decades of surviving movie after movie. Taking the chance of suggesting it will finally happen would spoil everything to me. It would be like having put the line "Is Darth Vader my father ?" into the trailer of Episode V.
Furthermore, what Lashana Lynch says about the relationship between Bond and Nomi and the way they eventually accomplish the mission makes me think Bond will not die, even she doesn't say it properly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_PD9VHhUQ
Nevertheless, there were rumors about the fact Fukunaga shot three alternate endings, one of them including Bond's death...
If everything goes right, we'll soon know if our friend Danny Boyle was indeed the one who intended to kill Bond off or the opposite.