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JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
in General James Bond Chat
I guess I may be knocked to the ground and subjected to an internet beating for this, but here goes.......

I am a James Bond fan but I am not a fan of some of the James Bond films.

There are some that I love and will watch over and again (which is good because ITV4 repeats them all the time!) but I think others are terrible. I haven't watched some of them at all - but this is because of the actor who I think is the worst James Bond of all.

Some of the films I like then they fall out of my favour and there are some which I did not care for the first time of viewing which I now like.

I don't think Dr No is a particularly good film, but I enjoy it and watch it regularly simply because Sean Connery's performance gets better each time I see him.

I thought Thunderball was a very poor film. Having watched it a few times it has gone up in my opinion.

I love all but two of the Roger Moore films and two of my enduring favourites are Octopussy and AVTAK! I know these are controversial to many people.

My own like is for the older films, though I have recently watched Casino Royale (which I always thought was a good - but over long) QoS, SF and Spectre again. I never cared for these three last films but they too have now gone up in my rankings.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I enjoy all the Bond films, Yes, some are better than others, but I can find enjoyment in all of them.
    With the obvious exceptions of the 1967 CR and the ( Only my opinion ) The god damn awful NSNA.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    I love all the Bond films from the 20th century. I don't have any special feelings for the films of this century, though I still watch them, just not as much. I strongly feel that it's worth seeing each Bond film at least once.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,331MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    I guess I may be knocked to the ground and subjected to an internet beating for this, but here goes.......

    I am a James Bond fan but I am not a fan of some of the James Bond films.

    There are some that I love and will watch over and again (which is good because ITV4 repeats them all the time!) but I think others are terrible. I haven't watched some of them at all - but this is because of the actor who I think is the worst James Bond of all.

    Some of the films I like then they fall out of my favour and there are some which I did not care for the first time of viewing which I now like.

    I don't think Dr No is a particularly good film, but I enjoy it and watch it regularly simply because Sean Connery's performance gets better each time I see him.

    I thought Thunderball was a very poor film. Having watched it a few times it has gone up in my opinion.

    I love all but two of the Roger Moore films and two of my enduring favourites are Octopussy and AVTAK! I know these are controversial to many people.

    My own like is for the older films, though I have recently watched Casino Royale (which I always thought was a good - but over long) QoS, SF and Spectre again. I never cared for these three last films but they too have now gone up in my rankings.

    BURN THE INFIDEL! X-(
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,856Chief of Staff
    It's a long series, Joshua, you don't have to like all of them.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    But I am curious - who is the actor Joshua really can't stand to the point he won't watch any of his films?
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    I haven't watched some of them at all - but this is because of the actor who I think is the worst James Bond of all.

    Hmm, Dalton or Brosnan?
  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 7,211MI6 Agent
    You’re not alone, Joshua, there are some Bond movies which I am unlikely to watch again. But you should try to watch each one at least once. Brosnan, for me, is the weakest Bond by far, only TND stands up as a decent movie, but that’s just my opinion, how GE gets so much love is beyond me, I think it’s dreadfully mundane.
    Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I truly am the Happiest Bond fan in the world, -{ I love them all ( except the two unofficial )
    Obviously everyone has a valid opinion, but I feel all the actors have brought "Something" to
    the role. Then again, I also enjoy all the Die Hard movies, including 5 :D so Perhaps I'm simply
    easy to please.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    I don't want to start an argument, because I know the person I am referring to is the favourite James Bond for some people, but I cannot simply stand to watch him on the screen as Bond (It is not the man, because I have seen him in a couple of films which were not bad, but his portrayal as Bond. I do not think he was ever up to the role, spending more time pouting and posing and with no air of menace about him). I Have bought some of his bond films (there were more than two! ;) ) on DVD and watched them but he and the films themselves are simply not to my liking at all.

    As I said, I do not want to upset any one, and my opinion is just that, my opinion.

    I Like Octopussy and AVTAK after all, which proves that taste is a very individual thing!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    An argument on AJB, I can't imagine that :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    An argument on AJB, I can't imagine that :D

    Just so long as we don't have a vote on it, or anyone doesn't like the outcome of that vote, we should be fine! ;)
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I really don‘t get the need to speak in riddles...

    What is so hard to say >>I don‘t like actor X and his Bond movies<<?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,331MI6 Agent
    I think you can name the actor without any risk to life and limb, Joshua :)
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,856Chief of Staff
    I think he already has....
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    He always did enjoy a good pose :v
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  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Okay. You have already guessed. I am sorry to those who think he is the best James Bond and I mean no offence to you but Pierce Brosnan is the worst of the Bond actors in my opinion. I have seen two of his films and was underwhelmed by them all, in fact I tried to watch another one (I forget the title, but the one where he has the remote controlled car?) but only made it to about half an hour before turning off.

    As I said, no offence is meant to any one.

    I am definitely a Sean Connery and Roger Moore fan. Also I believe George Lazenby to be a great Bond.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :)) I never would have guessed ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,856Chief of Staff
    The one with the remote controlled car is TND. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and I will defend your right to that (although I disagree). No-one is forcing you to watch movies you don't like with an actor you don't like.
    Me, I don't like Craig but he's in two of my favourite Bond movies. That's the way it is!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote :

    "No-one is forcing you to watch movies you don't like with an actor you don't like."

    You haven't met Mrs TP !! :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,856Chief of Staff
    :)) :)) :))
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    The one with the remote controlled car is TND. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and I will defend your right to that (although I disagree). No-one is forcing you to watch movies you don't like with an actor you don't like.
    Me, I don't like Craig but he's in two of my favourite Bond movies. That's the way it is!

    No one could force me! I am just aware that people with different tastes have different favourites for different reasons. PB will be loved and thought the best Bond by many. I can see no argument about my thoughts about Sean Connery, or many about Roger Moore, but I'm sure a lot will not like George Lazenby (the other of my three favourites), which is of course they are perfectly entitled to say to me.
  • JellyfishJellyfish EnglandPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    The one with the remote controlled car is TND. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and I will defend your right to that (although I disagree). No-one is forcing you to watch movies you don't like with an actor you don't like.
    Me, I don't like Craig but he's in two of my favourite Bond movies. That's the way it is!

    No one could force me! I am just aware that people with different tastes have different favourites for different reasons. PB will be loved and thought the best Bond by many. I can see no argument about my thoughts about Sean Connery, or many about Roger Moore, but I'm sure a lot will not like George Lazenby (the other of my three favourites), which is of course they are perfectly entitled to say to me.

    You don't like Pierce Brosnan? Let's settle this like gentlemen. You and me. Outside. Now.

























    Dance-off.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Hi Joshua, many are saying you should watch every Bond film once, just to be fair.

    Here are two reasons why should maybe should not if they are Pierce Brosnan movies.

    The first I will give to you emotionally, the second rationally.

    Firstly, Bond movies are: you do what you want. It's a laugh. Dutiful watching of Bond films? Screw that. It's meant to be a blast.

    Secondly. The Bond films pilfer themselves. Sometimes that's fun and part of the buzz. 'Ooh I recognise that!' Other times they do it because they run out of ideas. But there's every chance that the next Bond film No Time To Die will pilfer past Bonds. Not least because the director Danny Boyle passed, so they had to rewrite large chunks. I've avoided trailers but even with the 10-20 mins I've seen, I recognise stuff filched from past Bonds, and also from discarded scenes listed in the superb Bond book Some Kind of Hero.

    I don't like SF but others do and it seems to me it borrows from TWINE, a film I do like.

    So if you see Pierce Brosnan films on our advice, there's a good chance that NTTD will be sullied for you because when you're watching it you'll be thinking, oh, okay, this is the plot or set-piece I've seen from a previous Bond, starring an actor I didn't really care for.

    Therefore: Avoid. :)
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    I definitely would not want to see NTTD while thinking about Pierce Brosnan!
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    Joshua, have you ever seen Pierce Brosnan in 'The Long Good Friday' (1980)? He plays only a small part in it, an IRA hitman, but he's as tough and chilling in it as he is striking in his looks. I'm sure that would have been one of his performances that the folks at Eon had in mind when they wanted him as Bond...
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  • 00730073 COPPosts: 1,061MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
    Joshua wrote:
    I definitely would not want to see NTTD while thinking about Pierce Brosnan!

    That's what she said!

    Anyways, PB can be a pretty ( :v ) good casting, depending on the role. IMHO PBs weakness as Bond had more to do with scripts and directing than with the person.

    I will take this opportunity to, again, plug The Matador. In Matador Pierce Brosnan shows that he can be an excellent casting as an assassin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdmLRXhSGiw

    That's not quite fair, here's the original trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3qUl2i9lVA
    "I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    It’s been a long while, but PB was pretty good at playing it serious in The Deceivers and especially in The Fourth Protocol in which he was a cold KGB assassin. Yes, who can fault him for just showing up to do the EON paint-by-numbers productions that we call “traditional” Bond films?
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Shady Tree wrote:
    Joshua, have you ever seen Pierce Brosnan in 'The Long Good Friday' (1980)? He plays only a small part in it, an IRA hitman, but he's as tough and chilling in it as he is striking in his looks. I'm sure that would have been one of his performances that the folks at Eon had in mind when they wanted him as Bond...

    No. I have not heard of this film. I will look out for it.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    I struggled to try and like it (and tried to ignore the pouting!) but I turned off TND after seeing the worst fight scene in any Bond film - in fact I think any film.

    To steal a phrase by superado. It was paint by numbers. You hit here I do this, I hit here you do this. Very bad effort by every one concerned.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    I struggled to try and like it (and tried to ignore the pouting!) but I turned off TND after seeing the worst fight scene in any Bond film - in fact I think any film.

    To steal a phrase by superado. It was paint by numbers. You hit here I do this, I hit here you do this. Very bad effort by every one concerned.

    And yet the Goldeneye punch up with SB was one of the best.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
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