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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

Bond007Fan wrote:
emtiem wrote:
bigjamesbondfan wrote:

Yes there is a compilation of clips from the workprint on youtube with all sorts things that are different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZc0uFif7M

How come the music plays without a cut when the scene jumps from the Aston arriving at the casino to Bond talking to Xenia? If that’s the tune on the work print the music should jump too, unless the uploader was making weird edits of his own.

My guess is the uploader added the music artificially in place of the footage without music.


But what’s the point of that? The music is the only thing that makes it different: all of the footage is identical to the finished film isn’t it? And I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of Out of Africa being used as a temp track there before; hence the finished music bearing such a close resemblance.

I wonder if this isn’t a workprint but some sort of highlights reel sent out to persuade important types of how Brosnan will work out as Bond: hence the spoiler of Alec’s death being omitted. It shows Brosnan doing some spy stuff, some suave stuff and a bit of villain confrontation too: just what you would do to show off your new star to some industry insiders. Maybe even film journos?

The lack of cutting in the music makes me very suspicious of this being a workprint.

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

emtiem wrote:
Bond007Fan wrote:
emtiem wrote:

How come the music plays without a cut when the scene jumps from the Aston arriving at the casino to Bond talking to Xenia? If that’s the tune on the work print the music should jump too, unless the uploader was making weird edits of his own.

My guess is the uploader added the music artificially in place of the footage without music.


But what’s the point of that? The music is the only thing that makes it different: all of the footage is identical to the finished film isn’t it? And I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of Out of Africa being used as a temp track there before; hence the finished music bearing such a close resemblance.

I wonder if this isn’t a workprint but some sort of highlights reel sent out to persuade important types of how Brosnan will work out as Bond: hence the spoiler of Alec’s death being omitted. It shows Brosnan doing some spy stuff, some suave stuff and a bit of villain confrontation too: just what you would do to show off your new star to some industry insiders. Maybe even film journos?

The lack of cutting in the music makes me very suspicious of this being a workprint.

While your highlights reel theory sounds reasonable, this is indeed a compilation of clips from the workprint. The footage is in low quality, and practically most workprints are in low quality, so there's proof for ya.

In fact, go to the video web address and ask in the comments why Alec's uncut death is omitted from the compilation. I did something similar and got a reply back lickity-split.

Take some of his other videos as more proof that a workprint does indeed exist of the film. Like the deleted barrel shot (if you can find it) and the alternate takes of dialogue.

If any of you have any suspicions of the workprint, take it up with Mr. Bolton or the Workprint Collectors on Facebook.

In the meantime, it is important to be aware of one additional international censor cut. One that I found out about on an earlier version of the James Bond Censor Cuts page on melonfarmers.com using the Internet Wayback Machine.

According to the DVD commentary, Bond's ear clap and knee to the head against Alex in the antenna room fight were reported to have vanished.

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

Bond007Fan wrote:

While your highlights reel theory sounds reasonable, this is indeed a compilation of clips from the workprint. The footage is in low quality, and practically most workprints are in low quality, so there's proof for ya.

Well lit's pretty easy to make stuff low quality! ajb007/biggrin If you believe that's proof I can record a few of my DVDs onto VHS and sell them to you as workprints if you like! ajb007/smile

But my point is that a pre-release highlights reel would likely be made from a workprint, and then distributed on VHS more than likely, so that would explain why this looks like that. The music edits are very odd though: I'm not seeing any explanation for those.

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

emtiem wrote:
Bond007Fan wrote:

While your highlights reel theory sounds reasonable, this is indeed a compilation of clips from the workprint. The footage is in low quality, and practically most workprints are in low quality, so there's proof for ya.

Well lit's pretty easy to make stuff low quality! ajb007/biggrin If you believe that's proof I can record a few of my DVDs onto VHS and sell them to you as workprints if you like! ajb007/smile

But my point is that a pre-release highlights reel would likely be made from a workprint, and then distributed on VHS more than likely, so that would explain why this looks like that. The music edits are very odd though: I'm not seeing any explanation for those.

Speaking of low quality, here's an alternate take of Xenia putting the helmet on. You can see her mouth open and teeth visible in the original take so they decided to reshoot it with her mouth closed as you can see in the final. Also notice the cable on her right sitting differently between the two videos.

https://www.mupload.nl/img/69xycne7.gif

I have uploaded the original video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mR12nlXVYU

Last edited by bigjamesbondfan (2nd Jun 2018 20:39)

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

I'd be interested in watching the different versions of those scenes.  As a fan of Blade Runner, much has been made about the different versions of that film, including its workprint, the so called “director’s cut,” and the final cut which was the real director’s cut…and the nuances that seemed benign to others, was like wonderland to the fans.  With the Bond movies, I also find interesting the evolution of the scripts like different screen treatments for TB and eventually NSNA (as documented in the book, The Battle for Bond) and even the early storyboards as shown in the two “Making of” books by Charles Helfenstein for OHMSS and TLD.

As for GE, I don’t recall at the moment, but were there any versions of the script written for Timothy Dalton?  It would be interesting if there were scenes that had him in mind but which were filmed intact with Brosnan.

Last edited by superado (6th Jun 2018 17:35)

"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

There was one; I think it was posted on the reddit page for James Bond at one time.

It started off in a European self-driving bullet train when the brakes are suddenly pulled and there is a fight sequence where Bond steals a DB7 out of a train car and drives on top of the train with an attacking helicopter on top.
Bond drives off the train and right next to a woman in her broken down Peugeot/Citroën and said something along the lines of "need a ride?".

At least that's what I remember off the start of it, if we're both talking about the same thing.

a reasonable rate of return

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

Heya, guys! Sorry I was offline for so long, had other things to do and I lost my internet for a short amount of time. But don't worry, I'm back now.

So then, anyone want to talk about the censorial changes made to the film that might be in the workprint? ajb007/smile

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

Hello dear 007 Fans,

i'm highly interested in the Goldeneye Workprint and since i know that he exist, i would die for to get the Workprint. I know that the Workprint is hoardet by Hard Core Bond Fans, and i know that they wont sharing him easely (if they even do this) well this brings me to my Question, what must i do to get the Workprint? how can i earn enough trust to the people who have this Workprint? The second thing is i can absolutley understand why they wont sharing the Workprint to anyone, because they wanted to keep them rare. It would be an honor if anyone could share this Workprint with me and if i must anything do to proof my loyality, so then i'll will do it.
I would even pay for the Workprint.

I hope that someone here could help me with that:) but i believe that will be pointless, since the Workprint is extremley rare and just for Hard Core Bond Fans.

Thank you for you'r replys

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Re: GoldenEye Workprint

Bond007Fan wrote:
emtiem wrote:
Bond007Fan wrote:

My guess is the uploader added the music artificially in place of the footage without music.


But what’s the point of that? The music is the only thing that makes it different: all of the footage is identical to the finished film isn’t it? And I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of Out of Africa being used as a temp track there before; hence the finished music bearing such a close resemblance.

I wonder if this isn’t a workprint but some sort of highlights reel sent out to persuade important types of how Brosnan will work out as Bond: hence the spoiler of Alec’s death being omitted. It shows Brosnan doing some spy stuff, some suave stuff and a bit of villain confrontation too: just what you would do to show off your new star to some industry insiders. Maybe even film journos?

The lack of cutting in the music makes me very suspicious of this being a workprint.

While your highlights reel theory sounds reasonable, this is indeed a compilation of clips from the workprint. The footage is in low quality, and practically most workprints are in low quality, so there's proof for ya.

In fact, go to the video web address and ask in the comments why Alec's uncut death is omitted from the compilation. I did something similar and got a reply back lickity-split.

Take some of his other videos as more proof that a workprint does indeed exist of the film. Like the deleted barrel shot (if you can find it) and the alternate takes of dialogue.

If any of you have any suspicions of the workprint, take it up with Mr. Bolton or the Workprint Collectors on Facebook.

Aha, interesting to see this thread back again. I see a comment has been added on that YouTube video which says:


Patrick Concannon
9 months ago
Trevelyan death was cut to prevent spoiling it for audiences as this footage originates from a 13 minute French MGM promo video entitled "Decouvrez les Secrets du Tournage de GoldenEye" and not a full-length workprint, as Robert Bolton would have you believe. Originally broadcast/available via MGM Home Video in 1995, and uploaded to YouTube in April 2016, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o3vMnKqhLQ

So it is, as I suspected, from a highlights reel and not a full version of a workprint.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/57193834.jpg

ajb007/lol