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Why do emails keep getting the
Democrats in to trouble. First Hilary
And now old Joe  ajb007/biggrin

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Alleged emails. And who's doing the alleging? Rudy Giuliani.

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Perhaps like Hilary he should have deleted
The alleged emails . ajb007/wink  Also I seem to remember ( on this thread )  anonymous
Allegations against Trump which were taken and reported as Fact.  Seems one rule for one
Political party and one for another  ajb007/biggrin
Although we'll see as the story unfolds if it
Disappears like the made up Trump one,  or turns out to be true

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emails again because Trump is not able to come up with anything else with substance?

Actually Clinton‘s private emails did not contain anything serious * - the impact on the election was simply the announcement by Comey that they’ll start an investigation ( which lead to nothing by the way*).

*On November 6, in another letter to Congress, Comey stated that, after working "around the clock" to review all of the newly discovered emails, the FBI had not changed the conclusion it reached in July.[181][182][183] An unnamed government official added that the newly discovered emails turned out to be either personal or duplicates of emails previously reviewed, and that Comey's letter represents a conclusion of the investigation.[184] The following day, stock and currency markets around the world surged in response.[185][186][187]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_C … ontroversy

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Perhaps like Hilary he should have deleted
The alleged emails . ajb007/wink  Also I seem to remember ( on this thread )  anonymous
Allegations against Trump which were taken and reported as Fact.  Seems one rule for one
Political party and one for another  ajb007/biggrin

I've sent you a PM, Pussy, so we can discuss this without derailing the thread.

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No problem  ajb007/cheers

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You never know, but I don't think this is the "October surprise" Trump needs.

BTW: I've "ordered" Bob Woodward's book "Rage" from the library. I've avoided any books about Trump so far because they relay so much on anonymous sources. Woodward's book uses taped interviews of White House insiders so I think it must be much more reliable.

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The ‚alleged‘ term has a quite important dimension.

Rudy Giuliani was in Ukraine and Russia for months („to find dirt about the Bidens“) and the FBI constantly warned him that Russia may give him fabricated ‚evidence‘ just because they are trying to influence the election again.

So far, the content of the emails is unknown and noone has really checked the authenticity of it.
With the tendency of the Trump administration to throw any kind of dirt and see what may stick ( with voters),:the info about those emails and the accusations should be taken with a grain of salt - or two.

Pointing out those facts is nothing to be criticized for - if anybody feels that that is a kind of abuse - well - boo-hoo  ajb007/biggrin

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Number24 wrote:

You never know, but I don't think this is the "October surprise" Trump needs.

BTW: I've "ordered" Bob Woodward's book "Rage" from the library. I've avoided any books about Trump so far because they relay so much on anonymous sources. Woodward's book uses taped interviews of White House insiders so I think it must be much more reliable.

Woodward is probably the highest profilic journalist in the US.
He is widely respected - and feared by the people who want to cover something up.

I like his attitude „I have already spoken with several sources from your own administration and want to hear what you have to say. You are free to comment or not - regardless, I stand with my story and will publish it“

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Higgins wrote ; " if anybody feels that that is a kind of abuse - well - boo-hoo"  ajb007/biggrin

I think we've for our contender for next years Nobel peace prize  ajb007/biggrin

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I like peace. I like it very much, and I am sure I'm not alone in that.

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Yes, peace is usually preferable.

About Biden's son I think there is no doubt what the Ukrainian oil company's intention were when they hired him - it was because of his father (I wrote "farther" at first  ajb007/lol ). Hopefully Hunter was also aware of this and knew where the limits were. But none of that really matters. The only thing that matters is if Biden senior gave the oil company any unfair advatages. I can't say that's been proven.

The way Trump handled this was typically him: he didn't know or care how these cases are handled. If he suspected his main political rival's son was inviolved in corruption a president should contact his minister of justice or the FBI director and suggest Americans involved in corruption in Ukraine should be investigated. Do not mention any names! What Trump did was sending his personal lawyer to dig up dirt spesifically on Hunter Biden. Trump doesn't know what not to do legally about political oponents. Four years ago he asked Russia (let's be real, that's Russian secret service) to help him dig up dirt about Hillary.
Now he asks his lawyer to find dirt on his oponents son. This why Trump gets impeached so often. A president can't ask foreign nations to help him in an election and he can't start a private investigation against his rival's son.

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https://youtu.be/o67vWrkWUAQ

Just for Barbel  ajb007/cheers

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

And for you, TP-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y7Ax8smSkU

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(Or, if you're feeling silly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3-5Q_dRJDQ

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

And Trump hasn't started any wars (phew!) unlike the last Republican who was president, so I'll give him that.

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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/20 … war-peace/
An interesting piece ( Peace ) on the last Democratic President and his, .... record on War  ajb007/biggrin

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Number24 wrote:

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

And Trump hasn't started any wars (phew!) unlike the last Republican who was president, so I'll give him that.

As long as Trump can assist Russia or Turkey he's a regular surrender monkey. Just look at Syria.

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I agree on most of the article in the link and I also agree with Geir Lundestad when he wrote the Obama peace prize was a mistake.
but I have couple of comments. I don't know of any US orchestrating of an Islamist insurgency in Benghazi city. Are there any sources on that?
The bombing of Libya was a huge mistake, but at least he had the wisdom of not putting any US boots on Libyan soil. The US invasion of  Iraq was probably the worst single decision of any US president since WWII. Among many other nagative effects the Iraqi invasion indirectly created ISIS.

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Trump is actually bringing troops home  ajb007/martini ...... I guess he'll be blamed for that too   ajb007/biggrin
"That bloody warmonger not starting any wars and bringing Soldiers home again
Damn if only we had a peace loving president "

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Of course! When he pulled US troops out of northern Iraq he stabbed the Kurds, the best allies in the area, in the back and did a huge favour to Assad, Putin and ISIS. He didn't even give his allies a fair warning.

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Interesting that you want more troops in the middle east ? with more western Interference in
the running of other countries ........ because that has worked out so well in the past....and of
course you ignore his Peace work, for which he was Nominated for some countries Peace prize. ajb007/tongue

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The US involvement in northern Iraq was minimal, at least in terms of taking part in direct warfare. The Kurds did most of the fighting and they did it well. The US army mostly did training and supply of the Kurds and US casualties wer every low. But then Trump pulled out of the region with no warning to the Kurds - one day they were there and the next they were gone. Then the enemies of the united states moved in and there was a lot more fighting, so much the Kurds couldn't watch the prisons where the ISIS was held and many escaped. I wanted the US to stay in order to keep the fighting to a minimum and the ISIS locked up

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I just found out there are more things going on in the world going on right now than the US election and some of them are not even Trump's fault!  ajb007/amazed  ajb007/amazed  ajb007/amazed 
For example a teacher was decapitated in France the other day because he used a cariicature of Muhamed as a teaching aid. Nine people are arrested for this horrible crime. There is no doubt there are elements of the immigrant population in France who cannot accept they are living in a country with free speech and a few prefer to use extreme violence if France isn't the way they want it to be. I hope France and other countries with similar problems find a solution to this problem.

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I am often amazed how short the memory span is when populists make their simplistic claims!
Question is, if they are really that stupid and uneducated or if they are simply taking their ( insert some of your favorite insults) audience for a ride with that stupidity!

„Fun“ Facts:
In Obama‘s 8 years, he ordered  542 (BBC quoted below says 1878) drone strikes
In Trump‘s first 2 years, Trump ordered 2243 drone strikes * and Trump ordered that stats about victims and collaterals are not being published.

When we are comparing those numbers with GWB, we must keep in mind, that

- drone technology made incredible progress in the years after GWB
- GWB had „ boots on the ground“ to execute missions against islamists, so drone strikes were not his only tools. He had alternatives.

And while we are on it, let‘s not forget the purpose of those drone strikes:

After GWB set the entire near/middle East on fire, islamists such as ISIS, Taliban and others went into the gaps and the mission was to take them out without really having troops there.

Not taking any action would have resulted in an Islamist califate of a large scale over many countries with probably millions of enslaved people ( think of the jesidians ) and millions of fatalities.

So, just counting the numbers of drone strikes as an indicator how „ peaceful“ a US president really is - is just propaganda
Life always is a bit more complex than how it‘s drawn out in right wing echochambers who try to appear „peace angels“ - they are not!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

* https://worldbeyondwar.org/u-s-drone-st … ok-office/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

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