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Topic: Who should have played Jinx? And are the worst Bond girls American?

I've just seen the first part of JBR's review of DAD.One of the things the duo agreed on is that Halle Berry was miscast as Jinx. In that case there is an obvous question: Who should have played the role? Let's assume we're talking of a better (pre Lee Tamahori?) movie with better dialogue.

Here are some suggestions from me:

Charlize Theron - in 2002 Theron had some good movies behing her like the Cider House Rules and she would be making Monster the next year. In other words well known, but not super famous. Incredibly beautiful, a little bit exotic and a fine actress.

Salma Hayek - we know from inside information she screentested for DAD and I think she would have been great. Her screentesting shows EON was considering actresses who weren't American. Here she is with Pierce in 2004:

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Aishwarya Rai - I know Jinx is an American agent, so it can be questioned if Rai would fit the role. But she was 29 at the time, unknown in the West and a superstar in Bollywood.


Do you have any opinions on the matter.

Last edited by Number24 (24th Oct 2020 10:55)

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Jennifer Connelly fit the role profile of the Brosnan era perfectly...I would have loved to see her as the american equivalent.

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Jennifer Connelly is great, but personally I'd prefer it if she was cast as Christmas Jones in TWINE. Here she is in her Oscar winning perfomance in "A beautiful mind" (2001)


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What was the timeline of the development of the Jinx character relative to the hiring of Halle Berry? It seems that the role was created with her in mind.

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I certainly would have liked to see Charlize Theron, but it's only in more recent years she's become the  ass-whupping action hero worthy of the role ... I've never seen her films from around the time of DAD, could she have done it, physically?
She's funny too, watch her in Arrested Development (a guest role full of James Bond references)


As you say, the script still would have to be rewritten with better dialog. I'm sure I would have liked Jinx better if she'd had better lines, so change to a more likable actress might not have made that big a difference.

Terri Hatcher's scenes in TND also suffer from really weak dialog. It's hard to properly credit the actor's contribution when the script is that poor.

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I saw Charlize Theron in The Italian Job in 2003. She didn't have a lot of action scenes, but the ones she had she handled fine. Besides, when she can do amazing stunts in Atomic Blonde at 42, there is every reason to think she could have handled Jinx's stunts at 27.

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I forgot she was in the Italian Job right round that time.
Usually people talk about Monster, which I've never seen. Apparently she achieved a Christian Bale style body transformation for that role, which is especially daring for an attractive young actress, as Hollywood expects actresses to stay slim and pretty, not gain weight and look scary.

If she was Fury Road/Atomic Blonde level tough in a Brosnan-Bond movie, she would have made Brosnan look damn near useless, relying his silly little machine gun while she tears the bad guys limb from limb with her bare hands!
Suddenly I need to see this alternate universe DaD with Theron as Jinx instead of Berry, I'm having so much fun imagining it!

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caractacus potts wrote:

If she was Fury Road/Atomic Blonde level tough in a Brosnan-Bond movie, she would have made Brosnan look damn near useless, relying his silly little machine gun while she tears the bad guys limb from limb with her bare hands!
Suddenly I need to see this alternate universe DaD with Theron as Jinx instead of Berry, I'm having so much fun imagining it!

I agree that Charlize Theron could easily have upstaged Brosnan in the action stakes. Eon's mooted idea of starting a spin-off Jinx franchise might have had better legs with Theron in the role. (Though any debate about which actress has the better legs would be moot!)

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Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde would easily upstage Brosnan in DAD, no doubt. But even though natural abiity is important when actors do stunts. A lot comes down to the stunt co-ordinator and how much time the actor spends with the stuntmen. I don't they think have Theron spend much much more time with the stuntmen then Brosman if she was in DAD, and they wouldn't have given Jinx all the cool stunts so she upstaged Brosnan.

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I have a question that's so closely related to this topic I don't bother starting a new thread.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking the American Bond girls in modern times haven't been good. When was the last good (in terms of story and acting, not morals) American Bond girl? Holly Goodhead? Pam Bouvier?
Why is this? I think part of it is the fact that they are Americans arent't seen as exotic, at least in movies. But I think the onther reasons are how the characters are written, directed and somethimes acted.
Discuss ...

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If we look at American characters Jinx, Pam Bouvier and Holly Goodhead, they all work as espionage professionals, exercising varying degrees of professional rivalry with Bond even though operating on the same side as him. (As a nuclear scientist, Christmas Jones is in a slightly different position but - at least initially - she's also keen to assert her professional expertise. The same applies to geologist Stacey Sutton, to a lesser extent.)

So Jinx, Pam and Holly are like female 'action Leiters', and Bond's sexually charged alliances with them offer a fantasy resolution to a British post-war anxiety dating back to Fleming: the UK's questionable importance on the world stage as a post-imperial nation in the shadow of the USA as a technocratic superpower. British, European and Asian Bond girls don't have to carry that particular transatlantic baggage, whether or not they're espionage professionals - and neither do Tiffany Case, May Day, the Kim Basinger Domino or Paris Carver, as vamps, sympathetic molls or gold-diggers. Certainly by DAD, any sex-inflected, fantasy resolution to implied transatlantic rivalry was feeling rather cliched - more of a 20th century theme for the genre - and this may explain some of the fan fall-out with Jinx (or Christmas Jones before her).

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Re: Who should have played Jinx? And are the worst Bond girls American?

Those are interesting and valid points. I wonder if American Bondgirls is a way to get more interest for the movie in America, and in that case if it works?

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"I wonder if American Bondgirls is a way to get more interest for the movie in America, and in that case if it works?"

I think it depends on the film in question. Certainly in the case of DAD, casting Halle Berry, who won a Best Supporting Oscar during production, would have helped to raise the film's profile. Similarly, casting Denise Richards in TWINE was a definite attempt to appeal to the younger American demographic of viewers.

"I don't think I'm alone in thinking the American Bond girls in modern times haven't been good. When was the last good (in terms of story and acting, not morals) American Bond girl? Holly Goodhead? Pam Bouvier?"

I think it comes down in the end to good chemistry with the Bond actor of the day. This is an area where (in my opinion) some of the American Bond girls fall short- particularly Denise Richards and Halle Berry with Brosnan, and Tanya Roberts with Moore.

I don't think the supposed lack of 'exotic quality' with regards to American nationality is the main problem here, necessarily. It ought to be remembered that the best Bond girl of the last twenty years was British- Eva Green as Vesper Lynd in CR. What matters is strong acting and writing, and tangible chemistry with the main star. CR, for example has this in spades where TWINE and DAD are markedly less successful.

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SpectreOfDefeat wrote:

It ought to be remembered that the best Bond girl of the last twenty years was British- Eva Green as Vesper Lynd in CR.

French, surely, though representing the UK's Treasury.


On tales where 'Bond meets his American match'...

The irony is, I think, that in the post-Craig era of Bond there may be opportunities to tell, in a relevant way, more stories about Bond sexually consummating relationships with female American agents initially seen as rivalling him. The escapist need on the part of a British audience for a fantasy resolution to the problem of 'the special relationship' may again become acute in a real world where Biden wins, de-prioritises a trade deal with the UK in his support of the Good Friday Agreement and leads a restoration of progressive globalism which leaves Brexit on the wrong side of history...

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"The escapist need on the part of a British audience for a fantasy resolution to the problem of 'the special relationship' may again become acute in a real world where Biden wins, de-prioritises a trade deal with the UK in his support of the Good Friday Agreement and leads a restoration of progressive globalism which leaves Brexit on the wrong side of history..."

I would argue that this is essentially the function of the Felix Leiter character, at least in the older films- to depict a glamourised fantasy Anglo-centric version of the Special Relationship where the UK takes charge of solving American problems. In Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever and The Living Daylights, to name a few, Bond is shown to be more competent and effective at dealing with America's foes than Leiter and his CIA colleagues, who tend to trail hopelessly in his wake while the UK is seen to take a senior leading role.

This phenomenon reaches its peak in the Brosnan era, where Jack Wade is depicted as an embarrassing, loudmouthed boor, Bond's social and cultural opposite. Interestingly, in real life in the mid-1990s, relations between the UK and US were at something of a low, primarily due to Northern Ireland. The portrayal of the CIA and American interests in GE and TND unsubtly reflects this.

Perhaps as you say, if relations between Biden and Britain get off to a bad start, these issues will come to the fore in Bond films again...