Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

A reboot would be interesting... not sure if it should be period or current. But definitely interesting.

I've never heard of the BBC Radio 4 adaptation, I'll have to search that out. Thanks!


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

caractacus potts wrote:

for those of you in Toronto:
The IPCRESS File is going to be up on the big screen, Thurs March 26 2020!
at the Revue Cinema on Roncesvalles (which is a mighty civilised neighbourhood)
more info

This screening has been cancelled (hopefully postponed) because of coronavirus.
Too bad, I was looking forward to finally seeing The IPCRESS File, more than Bond25.
But I was already planning not to go, so I'm not surprised they decided to shut the theatre.


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I finally got the chance to watch the IPCRESS file!
Still I'd rather have seen it on the bigscreen with a lecture beforehand. damn you coronavirus!!!

This is an excellent adaptation capturing the spirit of the book and most of the plot.
The cluttered, asymmetric, almost random compositions capture both the effect of Raymond Hawkey's cover artwork and Deighton's writing style.
Ken Adam is prominently credited for Production Design work on the film, yet I see none of the sparse futuristic set design I associate with him. Was he responsible for the grey shabby locations and the sense of clutter? Its the brainwashing scenes that look most like typical Adam (sound effects courtesy of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop).

and I think its really cool Saltzman himself set out to make a spy film as opposite to Bond as could be imagined. Basically cornering both ends of the spyfilm market.

The plot drops the two foreign digressions and sort of adapts the main plotpoints of those scenes to London. I think they make even less sense relocated.
Also the girlfriend is introduced in a different way, already working for Dalby when Palmer first arrives, and she is apparently a mole within the department. Leading to the excellent dialog as they seduce each other: "I'm working for Dalby, you're working for Ross." "No you're working for Ross, I'm working for Dalby."

A couple plotpoints I still don't understand:

SpoilerWhy did Dalby negotiate the return of the last scientist? By doing so, it was revealed the scientist had been brainwashed, which would have remained unknown otherwise.


SpoilerWho had Palmer captured on the train? Dalby tells him to disappear, I don't think Palmer tells him he'll be taking the train. Palmer tells his girlfriend, she tells Ross. So Ross knows where he is but Dalby doesn't

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Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I agree- The IPCRESS File is a stylish and gritty alternative thriller that exists happily alongside Bond without outright parodying it, like so many other 60s spy capers do.

I also profess some enjoyment of the 1971 Ken Russell entry Billion Dollar Brain, the dictionary definition of the word 'weird'. Worth a watch if you want to see what a Bond film laden with odd direction, portentous symbolism and slow, almost dreamy action might be like...

Though some would say that particular Bond film already exists and is called SPECTRE  ajb007/lol


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

Last night I watched Billion Dollar Brain!

Unfortunately I cant find Funeral in Berlin anywhere online, doubly too bad since BDB is sort of a sequel to FiB, in that a couple of the major characters reappear.
(Billion Dollar Brain is on Dailymotion *, a slightly dodgier alternative to youtube )

I think only Maurice Binder and Syd Cain are involved from our gang. Binder does some very trippy titles based on digital database type imagery, and Syd Cain  contributes a classic villains headquarters, complete with sliding doors and hundreds of minions.

Director is Ken Russell, who I only knew from Tommy and Altered States, but  I've seen images from his other films, which usually seem to be some Aubrey Beardsley inspired decadence. He slips a bit of such imagery into this film too, and is allround very visually selfindulgent, maybe comparable to Terry Gilliam without the jokes, completely obscuring what is already a confusing plot. Great shots of Helsinki though.

Villain is played by Ed Begley, but the film is dominated by Karl Malden as Harvey Newbegin (now renamed Leo, perhaps so as not to be confused with Harry?). Hey he was the villain in that Matt Helm film I just watched last week! I think of Karl Malden as one of Brando's very serious method actor collaborators, so its a surprise to see him hamming it up in these mid60s SpyCraze flicks. He is much better here than in Murderers Row, a completely untrustworthy con-artist who is himself a tragic dupe.

The Texo-fascist imagery at the villains American compound is rather disturbing, just glad thats only make-believe and could never happen in real life! right? right? ...er, right? Well, probably safest to say it's only make-believe, I don't want any trouble.
Still, the film ends with...

Spoilera privately funded  American invasion of Latvia being defeated by the Soviets, and made to literally disappear without a trace under the icefloes

..and thats meant to be a happy ending. Well it is, but that's rather subversive stuff for a spyfilm at the height of the Cold War!

One image I spotted that was borrowed by Austin Powers: Palmer meets Newbegin and his ladyfriend in a sauna where they're both naked and he's not. Newbegin is letting it all hang out as he talks to Palmer, and the shot is composed so Palmer's head is blocking from our view the naughty bits even he doesn't want to have to look at.

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Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

BDB is a guilty pleasure for me; I know it's not as good as the first 2 (or isn't generally reckoned to be) but I really enjoy it. Caine goes without saying, and the colourful characters make up for a plot in which Palmer doesn't really do very much (most of the plot could take place without him). Love the score!


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Michael Caine does a lot of standing calmly and staring back ironically while the supporting actors ham it up!
and plotwise I think you're right, Colonel Stok has it all under control, he doesn't even have to ask Palmer if he's learned anything while undercover, just advises him to keep out of the way.

I didn't mention Stok in my film report. Oscar Homolka hams it up beautifully, and brings to life my favourite character from the books.


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Exactly, totally agree. Caine's standing calmly and looking ironic is exactly like the (unnamed) character from the books, and Homolka just is Stok.


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

It's a while since I watched it, but Palmer does do his usual thing of letting the protagonists tie themselves in knots while he does a quiet little clever thing, doesn't he? I do rather like the idea of the plot though- a private army lead by a madman who thinks he's doing good but will actually start a proper war. And all of the 60s trappings are really nice: the opening sequence and credits are fantastic, with that lovely bit of Richard Rodney Bennett.

I kind of enjoy it but it does have a pretty massive flat spot where not much happens and my interest dips. Give me Funeral In Berlin any day: I just think that's the best one.


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finally found the middle one Funeral in Berlin streaming online.
(not on a very nice website however, I gave my browser history a good scrubbing after I was done watching)

I only notice Guy Hamilton and Ken Adam from our gang. and again, I'm not seeing those typical futuristic Bond-style sets so wonder what Adam is contributing.
Not so visually radical as the first or third film, but this is more than made up for by the incredible footage of Berlin, both west and (apparently) east and multiple shots of the Wall. Well worth watching with finger on the pause button just to see what Berlin used to look like at the height of the Cold War. Were the scenes purporting to be in the East actually filmed there?
There's even a key scene in a transvestite bar (Harry says "see you later luv" to the fat ugly drag-queen hostess as he's leaving! nothing phases our cool ironic 'Arry Palmer)

The story is simplified from the book, but still confused the heck outta me.
Was anybody ever meant to be in that coffin if the plan succeeded?

Was Guy Hamilton maybe responsible for adding the funeral home content to Diamonds are Forever? Bond smuggled the diamonds inside golf balls in the book, the coffin scheme was substituted in the film. The two schemes to smuggle something across a border inside a coffin seem similar now that I've seen the earlier film.

Now I gotta look for that boxset with the later two movies noone seems to like. Definitely want the three good ones for the permanent archives, and hope upon repeated watches the plots might finally make sense!


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I think it's popped up on Blu Ray somewhere recently.


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

Of the two later ones, "Bullet" is the better IMHO.

In "Funeral", none of the scenes were shot in the east.

Other Bond crew members who worked on "Funeral" include Peter Murton and Ben Rayner- and Harry Saltzman!


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Harry Palmer is back:

Peaky Blinders star Joe Cole will take on the iconic role of Harry Palmer, first played by Michael Caine, in ITV’s new adaptation of the classic Len Deighton spy novel, The Ipcress File.

He’ll be joined by Bohemian Rhapsody star Lucy Boynton and Us star Tom Hollander in the planned six-part series which has been written by  Trainspotting scriptwriter John Hodge and will be directed by Emmy Award-winner James Watkins (McMafia, Black Mirror, The Woman In Black).

https://deadline.com/2020/12/itv-the-ip … 234653664/


It all sounds rather decent, I'm very glad to hear they're doing this.


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I can't wait!!!


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I can.....


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Barbel wrote:

I can't wait!!!

Yes it sounds pretty good, and I like the casting.

It doesn’t sound hugely faithful to the novel, but I guess the movie wasn’t either! ajb007/smile


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I'm not a big fan of remakes in general, in this case I'd really rather the originals were just easier to find on dvd.


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

I don't think think that the first attempt at an adaptation is automatically the best there can ever be.


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

Without getting involved in spoilers, I'd say the book of The Ipcress File is pretty different to the film. In fact, the book's plot popped up in an episode of The Avengers - the 60s cult series - one with Christopher Lee in. That said the book does the whole grammar school kid or thereabouts up against the whole public school gang and frankly who is to say it's not kind of like that now.
The book has more exotic events in it than the film.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017


Re: The 60s Bond Rivals (2): Harry Palmer

Napoleon Plural wrote:

The book has more exotic events in it than the film.

Yes indeed, this one at least will be set outside of the UK in part, unlike the film version.