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The Fourth Protocol is indeed a good film.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Here's another second film that fell foul of everyone.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

It's crap, isn't it.

It starts as it means to go on... spectacular opening in a Shanghai nightclub, but all the protagonists are unlikeable and behave badly. Indiana uses the singing star as bait against the gangsters, holding a knife to her. Said singing star only caring about the diamond. Gangsters horrible too but that's okay. No chemistry between Ford and Capshaw, perhaps because the latter was servicing the director. Nobody has any charm or charisma.

I've turned around on it...I no longer hate it but it's the weakest of the three original films.

My main issue with the film is with how shrill it is.  Everyone is screaming all the time, especially Kate Capshaw/Willie Scott.  It's just too much stimulus.  I also agree that Ford and Capshaw don't have anything believable in terms of chemistry, and their relationship arc simply strains credulity.  All that said, the action in the film is phenomenal, and I can watch and enjoy the film for the sheer thrill of the spectacle associated with many of the scenes in that third act.

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Def the weakest of the three. 

I actually watched it recently - still more enjoyable then 80% of the current CGI crap  ajb007/lol

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welshboy78 wrote:

Def the weakest of the three. 

I actually watched it recently - still more enjoyable then 80% of the current CGI crap  ajb007/lol

oh, it's definitely better than KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.

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Gymkata wrote:
welshboy78 wrote:

Def the weakest of the three. 

I actually watched it recently - still more enjoyable then 80% of the current CGI crap  ajb007/lol

oh, it's definitely better than KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.

Ha - I erased that one from my brain

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welshboy78 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
welshboy78 wrote:

Def the weakest of the three. 

I actually watched it recently - still more enjoyable then 80% of the current CGI crap  ajb007/lol

oh, it's definitely better than KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.

Ha - I erased that one from my brain

You have chosen wisely.

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I have just finished watching 'In The Heat Of The Night'. It was shown TV and from some of the language used I think it was not edited.

It is the first time I have seen this film. Tibbs and me share a few experiences of 'not being liked' so I found the film had powerful messages.

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Joshua wrote:

I have just finished watching 'In The Heat Of The Night'. It was shown TV and from some of the language used I think it was not edited.

It is the first time I have seen this film. Tibbs and me share a few experiences of 'not being liked' so I found the film had powerful messages.

It's a great film. I know Steiger won the Oscar, but how come Sidney Poitier wasn't even nominated ?
He's even better IMO.
Mind you, '67 was a very strong year in the male acting category with many a great performance not getting recognised anywhere.

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TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY
(2011)
Yes, well, no need to comment extensively on this.
Gary Oldman is excellent doing his best Alec Guinness impersonation. A host of good British actors give support. Hoyte van Hoytema does a great job making London look grimy and nineteen-seventies. Curiously, I feel as if Sam Mendes or the production team must have watched this film as those interiors of the Circus feel like the battered up underground last resort of MI6 we saw in SF, which started filming a few months after this movie's release. I'm probably wrong about that, but it is odd. 
I enjoy the film; there is always something new to notice. The writers packed in a lot of exposition into two hours and just about succeed in making it clear - something that can't be said of every adaptation of a Le Carre novel.

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chrisno1 wrote:
Joshua wrote:

I have just finished watching 'In The Heat Of The Night'. It was shown TV and from some of the language used I think it was not edited.

It is the first time I have seen this film. Tibbs and me share a few experiences of 'not being liked' so I found the film had powerful messages.

It's a great film. I know Steiger won the Oscar, but how come Sidney Poitier wasn't even nominated ?
He's even better IMO.
Mind you, '67 was a very strong year in the male acting category with many a great performance not getting recognised anywhere.

How Paul Newman didn’t win the best actor award for Cool Hand Luke in 1967 remains the mystery of the 20th century, it’s his finest performance in a glittering career. I may be prejudiced here though  ajb007/lol

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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chrisno1 wrote:

TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY
(2011)
Yes, well, no need to comment extensively on this.
Gary Oldman is excellent doing his best Alec Guinness impersonation. A host of good British actors give support. Hoyte van Hoytema does a great job making London look grimy and nineteen-seventies. Curiously, I feel as if Sam Mendes or the production team must have watched this film as those interiors of the Circus feel like the battered up underground last resort of MI6 we saw in SF, which started filming a few months after this movie's release. I'm probably wrong about that, but it is odd. 
I enjoy the film; there is always something new to notice. The writers packed in a lot of exposition into two hours and just about succeed in making it clear - something that can't be said of every adaptation of a Le Carre novel.

And then the director made The Snowman  ajb007/crap  ajb007/crap  ajb007/crap

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I also watched Tinker Tailor. It's a great looking film but imo it detracts from the story. It doesn't look natural.

It would be a good companion film to The Lives of Others, which is rarely shown on telly.

I think it's better to do Le Carre as a series as you get involved as to who the traitor is, you feel a sense of personal betrayal. Le Carre's The Night Manager started reshowing on BBC 4 last night, the first 2 episodes, and I've not seen it before, it's really good, and quite movie-like. I now see why Hiddleston was mooted for Bond based on this, and his voice is very good. He blew it with his unwitting unPC comments at an awards ceremony, didn't he, and then going out with Taylor Swift.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Returning to Indiana and the Temple of Doom, by scheduling serendipity, two films have been on that nod to that. On the same day, Black Narcissus, the classic movie. Naturally, despite much of it shot in the studio, it seems more exotic and magical than Indiana Jones. It's set in the same area: the Himalayas yet oddly it's a cooler and more genuinely thrilling film. I know one is a masterpiece and the other popcorn movie, but the former has fun dialogue too.

The other similar film was The River of No Return with Robert Mitchum and Marilyn Monroe. Now, the former is the strong and silent type like Ford and the other plays a showgirl as does Kate Capshaw. There's also a kid in tow - Mitchum's kid - so the dynamic is the same as they have to navigate their way down river facing perils. But the chemistry between the two rocks and what's more, Monroe is just so hot they don't have stars like that any more, it's like it's considered indecent or not fair! Mind you same goes for Robert Mitchum, there's nobody as good-looking as that today. You can argue the pros and cons of that.

You could watch the film just for the scenery, you might say. Not so for Indiana Jones and Ford himself seems like an awkward and mumbled figure.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Nap, I too am watching The Night Manager and will rev up a review on the TV thread once its done

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I watched 'THE SCARLET AND THE BLACK' last night.

WW2 drama starring two of my absolute favourites, Gregory Peck and Christopher Plummer.

It's based on the story of Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty who saved the lives of thousands of Jews and Allied POW's in Rome.

Very underrated film.

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Cowboys & Aliens

When you think about it, the underlying premise here is very simple: if the earth were attacked by extraterrestrial forces, why couldn't that attack have come in the American West of the 1870s instead of, say, present-day Tokyo?

And so we get a genre mash-up such as we have here.  Daniel Craig, in between QOS and SF, wakes up in the desert with a wound in his midsection, a strange shackle on his wrist and no memory of anything, including his own identity.  He makes his way to a typical frontier town with all the familiar characters -- a kindly preacher (Clancy Brown), a stressed-out saloon owner (Sam Rockwell), an overburdened sheriff (Keith Carradine), a mysterious woman (Olivia Wilde) who is not the hooker she appears to be, and a nasty landowner/rancher (Harrison Ford) who really runs things.  It becomes clear that Danny is a pretty nasty piece of work himself, wanted for all manner of violent crimes.  He makes some critical enemies, but before things get out of hand, spaceships from above wreak havoc, setting off explosions and lassoing people up into their bellies.  Old grudges are gradually set aside as the humans band together to defend themselves from the invaders.

I stumbled upon this about 30 seconds in, and had no intention of watching more than a few minutes.  Somehow, it held my attention for its entire length.  It's all pretty predictable, but even though I guessed what was around just about every corner, I still wanted to see.  Way more fun and entertaining than I had imagined.

Hilly...you old devil!

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The Post (2017, Steven Spielberg)

Yesterday evening I watched this again, mainly for Meryl Streep's performance - and as the first part of a 'double bill' with the thematically related 'All The President's Men', which I'm going to watch this evening. 'The Post' was obviously made, in part, as a response to Trump's attacks on news media; and it's interesting to return to the film now, at a point book-ending Trump's time in office. The other attraction is the movie's period mise-en-scene: it's set in 1971 (the same year as my favourite Bond film!)

Last week I watched 'The Deer Hunter', which is what put me onto my current Meryl Streep kick. (And like 'The Post', 'The Deer Hunter' is concerned with the Vietnam War.) Streep's always been a very mannered performer, but she's fascinating to watch on screen and part of a generation of 'new wave' and method actors who helped transform film in the 70s. Watching 'The Deer Hunter' again reminded me, too, what a phenomenal performance Christopher Walken gave in that 1978 classic, winning him an Oscar. (Although Walken stands out as a fine actor in AVTAK - by comparison with the rest of AVTAK's cast - it's obvious that he was just 'phoning in' Zorin when 'The Deer Hunter' is considered alongside it!)

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Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, on Netflix.  This is basically a filmed play, so it's kind of claustrophobic, but it's still a fascinating, beautifully-acted look at 1927 America, when the only way a black person could make it was as an entertainer--and even then there were limits.  It also has the final performance of Chadwick Boseman, who's excellent as an ambitious trumpeter; but it's hard to overlook how thin he is. . .and the knowledge of what caused that thinness.

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Shady Tree wrote:

Last week I watched 'The Deer Hunter', which is what put me onto my current Meryl Streep kick. (And like 'The Post', 'The Deer Hunter' is concerned with the Vietnam War.) Streep's always been a very mannered performer, but she's fascinating to watch on screen and part of a generation of 'new wave' and method actors who helped transform film in the 70s. Watching 'The Deer Hunter' again reminded me, too, what a phenomenal performance Christopher Walken gave in that 1978 classic, winning him an Oscar. (Although Walken stands out as a fine actor in AVTAK - by comparison with the rest of AVTAK's cast - it's obvious that he was just 'phoning in' Zorin when 'The Deer Hunter' is considered alongside it!)

I watched this recently too - the first time in over 30 years - and this was my diary entry:

"What a dreadful film. A Vietnam PTSD experience movie full of macho, misogynistic male posturing, characters who can't express themselves with any eloquence however paltry. Their alternative is to get drunk, curse and shoot deer. In preference to not saying anything, these tawdry people choose words which don't mean anything. The script is appalling, the acting crass, the story simplistic, unexplained and full of symbolism that would play no part in a Pennsylvania steel worker's existence. It's loud, overblown and overwrought for all the wrong reasons. Horrible."   

I don't think I enjoyed it very much.

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On 'The Deer Hunter'

chrisno1 wrote:

I watched this recently too - the first time in over 30 years ... I don't think I enjoyed it very much.

Haha! Always interesting to read a negative review of a movie one admires... Then again, I can't think of a single movie I like that doesn't include characterisations of flawed people...


Having completed, this evening, my 'double-bill' viewing of 'All The President's Men' and 'The Post' I can compare Jason Robards' and Tom Hanks' respective portrayals of Ben Bradlee, the Washington Post's editor during a period when the paper had hard fights on its hands to exercise its right under the First Amendment to expose covert governmental skulduggery. While achieving a closer imitation of the real-life Bradlee, complete with gravelly voice, Tom Hanks makes a more conventional Hollywood hero of the character, while Robards' portrayal is hardbitten: his Bradlee is a gruffer, sometimes intimidating defender of constitutional values. A difference is that in 'The Post' Hanks' Bradlee is a principal character alongside Streep's Kay Graham, whereas in 'All The President's Men' it's obviously Redford and Hoffman who occupy centre stage as Woodward and Bernstein.

'All The President's Men' feels more dated today than it would have done even a couple of months ago. Hal Holbrook's shadowy Deep Throat character may give Woodward 'shock horror' hints that collusion in the Watergate affair goes 'right to the top' of the White House - but even that seems small potatoes at a time when the outgoing POTUS has been impeached for a second time, now for inciting insurrection!

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Hardyboy wrote:

Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, on Netflix.  This is basically a filmed play, so it's kind of claustrophobic, but it's still a fascinating, beautifully-acted look at 1927 America, when the only way a black person could make it was as an entertainer--and even then there were limits.  It also has the final performance of Chadwick Boseman, who's excellent as an ambitious trumpeter; but it's hard to overlook how thin he is. . .and the knowledge of what caused that thinness.

That sounds like a great show. Will definitely watch it when I next renew my Netflix subscription.

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On a lighter note, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

We all know what we think of this. Great fun, only a bit too cartoony in a couple of scenes (the Nazi shaking his fist at the departing air ship, for instance) and in a way it's a homage to those Will Hay movies, the jokes are as prevalent.
I'll admit the look of Raiders is a bit grittier, a bit more realistic even if I never personally got behind that film.
The movie is.a reset after Temple of Doom, but the next film undid all that of course.
I suppose you could argue it's a rare attempt to see Christian propaganda in a mainstream Hollywood film. It doesn't happen that often, does it?
The 'younger' Henry Jones gets his own credit, oddly, though he's just a shadowy figure in the early scenes and we don't see his face. Maybe a scene was cut. I don't know if Connery did the voice.
It's a shame that for the next film they didn't have a more recent picture of Connery as Henry Jones for Indy to gaze at contemplatively as that might have meant he had a credit in that movie, but what am I saying. That film was as rubbish as League of Extraordinary Gentlmen.
I enjoyed travelling across the US by Greyhound looking forward to the summer's big movie releases such as Batman, Indy, Lethal Weapon 2 and that year's Bond movie. I saw the Last Crusade in Flagstaff if I recall.

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LAST CRUSADE is a good one.  It's a little too 'cute' funny in places but it's overall a very satisfying film if you're looking for something that, spiritually, is akin to RAIDERS.  My big issue with LAST CRUSADE is with the quality of the special effects; many of the shots really, really look quite poor (the blimp, in particular, is never convincing).

Fun movie.

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Gymkata wrote:

LAST CRUSADE is a good one.  It's a little too 'cute' funny in places but it's overall a very satisfying film if you're looking for something that, spiritually, is akin to RAIDERS.  My big issue with LAST CRUSADE is with the quality of the special effects; many of the shots really, really look quite poor (the blimp, in particular, is never convincing).

Fun movie.

For some reason when I first watched Last Crusade (which was sometime in the early 2000s) I found the obvious artificiality of some of the effects (such as the airship which you mentioned) to be a charming and endearing aspect of the film. To me it added to the mid-20th century feel of the film. I feel similarly about old films which have obvious matte paintings and miniatures.

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Golrush007 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:

LAST CRUSADE is a good one.  It's a little too 'cute' funny in places but it's overall a very satisfying film if you're looking for something that, spiritually, is akin to RAIDERS.  My big issue with LAST CRUSADE is with the quality of the special effects; many of the shots really, really look quite poor (the blimp, in particular, is never convincing).

Fun movie.

For some reason when I first watched Last Crusade (which was sometime in the early 2000s) I found the obvious artificiality of some of the effects (such as the airship which you mentioned) to be a charming and endearing aspect of the film. To me it added to the mid-20th century feel of the film. I feel similarly about old films which have obvious matte paintings and miniatures.

I don't mind obvious special effects if they're at the best possible level that they can be for that time, but honestly, they look worse than the effects done in RAIDERS which was done 8 years earlier.  If memory serves, ILM was slammed with a lot of work at that time and they didn't have sufficient resources to produce at a high level, but regardless...you don't shortchange a film like an IJ film by giving it subpar effects.

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