Bond's baby

harryseedsharryseeds Posts: 16MI6 Agent
edited September 2006 in James Bond Literature
does anyone know what happend to james bond's child that kissy suzuki was carrying at the end of the novel you only live twice. I have not read TMWTGG so I dont know if it is mentioned in there or in any of the later non flemming novels. please let me know if you have an answer

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,294Chief of Staff
    edited August 2006
    harryseeds wrote:
    does anyone know what happend to james bond's child that kissy suzuki was carrying at the end of the novel you only live twice. I have not read TMWTGG so I dont know if it is mentioned in there or in any of the later non flemming novels. please let me know if you have an answer

    Raymond Benson's short story Blast From The Past (1997) answers your question. James Suzuki, son of Kissy and 007, is central to the plot (no spoilers). The story was published in that year's January edition of Playboy, but as with Benson's other Bond short stories remains uncollected in a book edition. There have been vague rumours that they will be published as a book one day, but so far (as far as I know; somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!) that has come to nothing. He would need to write a few more (there were four, some quite short) to fill out a book.
    John Gardner has been quoted as saying that Glidrose wouldn't allow him to use that character in his Bond series. And no, TMWTGG doesn't add any information.
  • Bond_girl_double07Bond_girl_double07 Posts: 10MI6 Agent
    Something about the phrase "bond's baby" is really disturbing ;)

    Bond Skills:
    Killing stuff that needs killed
    Shooting stuff that needs shot
    Hiding
    Bagging hot chicks

    Bond's Areas that Need Improvement
    Parenting ;)
  • Red IndianRed Indian BostonPosts: 427MI6 Agent
    Yes, it doesn't sound right! I never much cared for Benson's novels.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Red Indian wrote:
    Yes, it doesn't sound right! I never much cared for Benson's novels.

    Well, you can't blame Benson for Bond's fathering a child since it happened in Fleming's YOLT.
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    darenhat wrote:
    Red Indian wrote:
    Yes, it doesn't sound right! I never much cared for Benson's novels.

    Well, you can't blame Benson for Bond's fathering a child since it happened in Fleming's YOLT.


    Exactly.All we know for sure is that at the close of You Only Live Twice 007 leaves Japan for Russia and that his lover Kissy Suzuki is secretly pregnant with his child.That's it--that's what Ian Fleming wrote.And no more.

    Several years later,John Pearson gave James Bond an adult son by Kissy whom he named James Suzuki in his fictional biography of the "real" James Bond.Raymond Benson picked up on this idea and featured 007's adult son James Suzuki in the short story "Blast From the Past".

    But it's entirely possible that Fleming's Kissy had a daughter instead of a son,or twins or might even have terminated her pregnancy.What Fleming planned to do with this particular subplot will always remain a mystery.

    However,considering the number of lovers 007's had over the course of the novels, it's difficult to imagine that he didn't father a few children along the way.This also holds true for the cinematic 007.
  • Red IndianRed Indian BostonPosts: 427MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    I should have clarified my post. I know the idea originated with Fleming, I just think it should have been left a mystery. I don't care for Benson's writing in general, and even more so when he exploited that idea...
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    I think Fleming always intended to leave the story of what happened to 007's child with Kissy a mystery.The infant being someone Bond would never be aware existed.This instance used to help underscore how lonely 007's life really is--that because of his occupation, Bond is fated to always live a solitary life and will never experience the joy of having a family of his own.
  • leongpcleongpc Posts: 38MI6 Agent
    they shouldn't have let benson touch on bond's child. in one short story he has closed off the mystery. but 'willie garvin' you have made a very good point/suggestion. kissy could have twins so bond's twin daughter or son can still be made into another spinoff. offspring follows father's footsteps and go into spying. LOL
  • Sylvia TrenchSylvia Trench Posts: 5MI6 Agent
    Then there is the question of whether Bond had a child with Honeychile Ryder in Dr No. And did that boy go on to have a son called Alex Rider?
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    Then there is the question of whether Bond had a child with Honeychile Ryder in Dr No. And did that boy go on to have a son called Alex Rider?


    Good point.
    007's had many romantic liasons and it's entirely possible for him to have unknowingly fathered several children by a variety of women as a result.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,703MI6 Agent
    This story is a textbook example of why fans should never be allowed near making the subject of their love. Instead of a good story we get a list of loose ends from previous plots which he's decided need tying up. Boring.
    We call this 'fanwank' in other circles.
  • Mark HazardMark Hazard West Midlands, UKPosts: 495MI6 Agent
    leongpc wrote:
    they shouldn't have let benson touch on bond's child. in one short story he has closed off the mystery. but 'willie garvin' you have made a very good point/suggestion. kissy could have twins so bond's twin daughter or son can still be made into another spinoff. offspring follows father's footsteps and go into spying. LOL

    I was under the impression that Eon may have had a little to do with killing off James Suzuki, perhaps they didn't want an unofficial James Bond Jr series of films starting up.
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    John Pearson created James Suzuki for his fictional biography of the "real" James Bond,and Raymond Benson simply put him into the official James Bond universe.It's entirely possible James Suzuki was killed in order to forestall a James Bond Jr. series, but Eon authorized such a thing anyway--however,they made James Jr.,007's nephew.

    My own thinking is that Benson just wanted to come up with a shocking crime for the elderly Irma Bunt to commit, and what better than to murder the young man 007 had (apparently)acknowledged as his offspring?It's perfectly in character for her, seeing as she was also the person who had murdered Bond's bride Tracy years before.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,652MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    We call this 'fanwank' in other circles.

    Apt term...I like it! That's why discussions here can sometimes get messy!
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Lazenby880Lazenby880 LondonPosts: 525MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    Apt term...I like it! That's why discussions here can sometimes get messy!
    Ugh... Thanks for that, superado. :(|)
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,652MI6 Agent
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    superado wrote:
    Apt term...I like it! That's why discussions here can sometimes get messy!
    Ugh... Thanks for that, superado. :(|)

    Here's a Kleenex ;%
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • JohmssJohmss Posts: 274MI6 Agent
    Funny. what i understand, in one book (can't remember) Bond makes some reference about Honney getting married (OMG... it is not a spoiler, it isn't even relevant)

    and i know James Suzuki get his name in a book you have already indicated, but why is his name James? Kissy never knew his name was James Bond, she called him by his Japanese name "Taro Todoroki"

    and James Bond jr. really sucked.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,294Chief of Staff
    Johmss wrote:
    Funny. what i understand, in one book (can't remember) Bond makes some reference about Honney getting married (OMG... it is not a spoiler, it isn't even relevant)

    Irrelevantly :p, it was in TMWTGG: "The last he had heard, she had had two children by the Philadelphia lawyer she had married." I seem to recall his name was Wilder...
  • JohmssJohmss Posts: 274MI6 Agent
    Thanks Barbel, now i recall, he makes that reflexton is because he is in the carribbean's islands, and the last time he was there was in Dr. No

    She had 2 kids, go ahead, start talking about how the first is a Bond Kid.

    and, isn`t another Bond Kid in another book or comic story?
  • PUCCINIPUCCINI Posts: 70MI6 Agent
    I hope we will never have to see a Bond son/daughter in the films....disastreous...
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