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Topic: Bond's Childhood

After seeing Skyfall again this week, I've come to consider the idea that - according to the history of Bond's childhood as it is written in the film, Kincaid was introduced as a surrogate father.

Based on Fleming's bio of Bond, his father was a rep for an armourments firm.
It could be said that this would mean he was abroad for a lot of the time leaving him only with his mother and Kincaid (and probably one or two housekeepers and even a nanny).  I think Fleming imagined him brought up as he was (minus any siblings).

This would mean Kincaid may have been the main male influence most of the time at Skyfall.  He would have helped Bond learn to shoot and hunt as well as how to survive out on the moor - something that would have bolstered Bond's independence and helped to mature him early as well as given him skills that would help him as an adult agent.

With his parents death, Bond would have turned to Kincaid for the emotional support he needed and Kincaid would have helped him get past this trauma and encouraged him to leave Skyfall.  Having his aunt step gave him a new surrogate mother to help him through his young adult years and school.

Creating Kincaid was, I believe, a logical choice for the film and for helping to understand how the young Bond became the adult 007.  Now I wonder if they would ever resurrect his aunt for a light scene in a future film. It's an interesting idea.  Who would play her?  Someone like Maggie Smith?

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I've said this before, but I would like to see a TV Mini Series about Bonds early Life. Sort of like the Hannibal Series.

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I think the discription of Bond's childhood was good and it makes sense the way CmdrAtticus wrote it. But I don't want to see his aunt in the movies and I don't want to see a TV series about his childhood. I think they have spent enough time on Bond's background and personal life for a long time. Now I want the movies to focus on the missions and most of his background should remain a mystery. I think the books are a different matter. I like the Young Bond books and I would like to see a new series of books describing his WWII history.

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One of my disappointments with SKyfall was how glossed over Bond's past was.  We basically get a little bit of dialogue and the Kincaid character that are somehow supposed to fill in significant details rather than just show us actual scenes.  Good story is showing rather than telling.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

  Now I wonder if they would ever resurrect his aunt for a light scene in a future film. It's an interesting idea.  Who would play her?  Someone like Maggie Smith?

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That comes as no surprise!  ajb007/rolleyes

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I'm willing to do drag.    ajb007/biggrin

Willing or insisting ?  ajb007/amazed

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Re: Bond's Childhood

Gassy Man wrote:

One of my disappointments with SKyfall was how glossed over Bond's past was.  We basically get a little bit of dialogue and the Kincaid character that are somehow supposed to fill in significant details rather than just show us actual scenes.  Good story is showing rather than telling.

Maybe they will reveal more throughout Craig's tenure. It's a tricky scenario though because if you divulge too much, it will force you to reboot at somepoint once you get wrapped up in continuity. I like hearing snippets throughout each film. I prefer Bond's backstory to be described more in the novels.

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MooseWithFleas wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

One of my disappointments with SKyfall was how glossed over Bond's past was.  We basically get a little bit of dialogue and the Kincaid character that are somehow supposed to fill in significant details rather than just show us actual scenes.  Good story is showing rather than telling.

Maybe they will reveal more throughout Craig's tenure. It's a tricky scenario though because if you divulge too much, it will force you to reboot at somepoint once you get wrapped up in continuity. I like hearing snippets throughout each film. I prefer Bond's backstory to be described more in the novels.

I doubt they will do much more than the modern thing of paying lip service and mostly through the dialogue.

As I've posted before, an easy solution would have been to let the animation during the credits show us some of the details about the Bond family.  Then a flashback or two in the movie might have been all it took -- I would actually prefer the movie to have opened with the scene of Bond finding out about his parents and hiding in the tunnel instead of having Kincaid tell us that.  It would only have taken a few minutes of screen time.  They could easily have cut from a boy Bond hiding in the darkness to the adult Bond in bed with the woman.   But a John Logan script is always clunky, and I've never thought Mendes was that great a director.

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Gassy Man wrote:

One of my disappointments with SKyfall was how glossed over Bond's past was.  We basically get a little bit of dialogue and the Kincaid character that are somehow supposed to fill in significant details rather than just show us actual scenes.  Good story is showing rather than telling.

Bad idea. Bond is not the kind of films where you show long flashbacks of the lead's childhood. Flashbacks has only been used once (in OHMSS) and only to visualize what was on Bond's mind. I think the little insights we got from dialogue was quite enough, not only because his childhood wasn't central to the plot but mainly because Bond's background should be a bit of a mystery.

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Too much more focus on Bond's childhood, and any flashbacks, would just be too close to the depiction of Bruce Wayne's childhood in Batman Begins and subsequent Batmovies.

We don't need to explain Bond's behaviour as being the result of a traumatised childhood - he's not some driven, borderline psychologically- challenged individual like Batman. IMO Bond's parents' death made him become tough and independent - his service experience and unique inherent characteristics made him who he is (a double-O) ... And maybe a little intervention by Kincaid.  ajb007/smile

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Charmed & Dangerous wrote:

Too much more focus on Bond's childhood, and any flashbacks, would just be too close to the depiction of Bruce Wayne's childhood in Batman Begins and subsequent Batmovies.

We don't need to explain Bond's behaviour as being the result of a traumatised childhood - he's not some driven, borderline psychologically- challenged individual like Batman. IMO Bond's parents' death made him become tough and independent - his service experience and unique inherent characteristics made him who he is (a double-O) ... And maybe a little intervention by Kincaid.  ajb007/smile

Yes, I agree. I think we've been given enough on Bond's background.

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Baby Bond ..... " I hope that breast  is shaken not stirred "  ajb007/lol

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Bonds Past should be shrouded in some Mystery  ajb007/martini

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Didn't Bond go to Eton as a boy .id hate to see a flash back of him at Eton being buggered   ajb007/crap

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ajb007/lol  I think Bond would be a giver, not a receiver.  ajb007/tongue

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ajb007/lol  I think Bond would be a giver, not a receiver.  ajb007/tongue

you don't know Eton (don't even ask about white biscuit) ajb007/lol

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ajb007/biggrin  I had to Google that,  ajb007/lol

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Bond is a shadow figure the mystery is what intreguises the audience why does he behave the way he does, cold, commited & calculated. I think Skyfall gave us enough insight. His parents death. Watching the place burn gave him closure. I don't think they should explore his make up further. Lets just see him doing rediculous stuff saving the world from a maniac with a big plan for world domination in Bond 24.

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+1  ajb007/cheers , I too think it's time for a little lighter story ( no big emotional turmoil for Bond )
M and Moneypenny setting up the target,  Q giving a few toys, then Off Bond goes
For some major "Badass" Spy adventure stuff.  ajb007/lol

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Thunderpussy wrote:

+1  ajb007/cheers , I too think it's time for a little lighter story ( no big emotional turmoil for Bond )
M and Moneypenny setting up the target,  Q giving a few toys, then Off Bond goes
For some major "Badass" Spy adventure stuff.  ajb007/lol

I want to see DC drive or fly something rediclous like an apache helicopter or a concorde from a museam lol.

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Could be fun, I  always  loved the helicopter shots in Die Hard 4. Seeing it
Flying between the buildings very low to the ground.

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Bring back the Jetpack  ajb007/lol  ajb007/martini

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On Top Gear they showed a new Quad bike which
changed into a speedboat. When Clarkson drove it
on the water he even asked " play the Bond !"  ajb007/lol

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