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Topic: Another Skyfall Mistake.

So, I was watching Skyfall again today, and I noticed yet another mistake/flaw. When Patrice and Bond were fighting on the train, MI6 had most likely assumed that Patrice had the list. So if Moneypenny hadn't missed the shot, wouldn't that mean Patrice would fall into the stream and they wouldn't get the list back?

Thoughts?

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Patrice wrote:

So, I was watching Skyfall again today, and I noticed yet another mistake/flaw. When Patrice and Bond were fighting on the train, MI6 had most likely assumed that Patrice had the list. So if Moneypenny hadn't missed the shot, wouldn't that mean Patrice would fall into the stream and they wouldn't get the list back?

Thoughts?

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

You can always search for a body...it would have washed up somewhere, just as Bond did...then again Bond would have held on to him and stopped him falling off...so, for me, no flaw there at all  ajb007/martini

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

I think as with most Action/adventure movies, you have to go
Into it ready to suspend your belief.  ajb007/lol  for me I can't believe
Governments  hold information on disc, and many times
Don't even encrypt it   ajb007/rolleyes  or have a default system to wipe
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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Easier to find a dead body than a live one that can run and hide and personally take the drive to the main bad guy. A dead body tends not to do that.  It's not a mistake, what else can they have done except solely rely on Bond (actually the best option in fictional Bond land, but would ruin the story subtext). 

Besides Patrice was only holding it in his hand at the time, so better it be lost in the bottom of a river than in the hands of bad folks.

Do you think they should have beamed him to the Enterprise and then direct to an MI6 holding cell?

Seriously these 'Another Skyfall Mistake' threads keep on getting dumber and dumber and show no mistake at all.

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Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Gala Brand wrote:

Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

He could do that every time someone close points a gun at him or tries to stab him with a knife too.  That would save him from even getting shot at and potentially cut.

Seriously though, he did get it from around Patrice's neck and had a hold of the lanyard it was attached too.  If he hadn't have been shot he possibly would have done just that.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Asp9mm wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:

Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

He could do that every time someone close points a gun at him or tries to stab him with a knife too.  That would save him from even getting shot at and potentially cut.

Seriously though, he did get it from around Patrice's neck and had a hold of the lanyard it was attached too.  If he hadn't have been shot he possibly would have done just that.

I'm not going to second-guess Bond's decision making because it's been ages since I grappled with an international assassin on the top of a moving train going through a tunnel.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Gala Brand wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:

Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

He could do that every time someone close points a gun at him or tries to stab him with a knife too.  That would save him from even getting shot at and potentially cut.

Seriously though, he did get it from around Patrice's neck and had a hold of the lanyard it was attached too.  If he hadn't have been shot he possibly would have done just that.

I'm not going to second-guess Bond's decision making because it's been ages since I grappled with an international assassin on the top of a moving train going through a tunnel.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

I suppose we could all go on for ever and nit pick every  Bond film  ajb007/smile but film is the operative word
they are not factual documentaries ,and as ASP9MM says these mistakes go on and on, BUT, and its a big but, we are all entitled to our observational opinion, for open forum discussion,and if someone has an opinion on what they think they have seen,then hopefully the more knowledable of us in our specific field of expertise can set our fellow enquisitors  on the
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I always try and use the expertise of others. I used to do all my
Train top fighting in full evening gown and stiletto heels ! Imagine
My  embarrassment, on leading that most others do it in sensible
Shoes  ajb007/embarrassed , so it's now flats and  A line skirts for me !  ajb007/smile

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Thunderpussy wrote:

I always try and use the expertise of others. I used to do all my
Train top fighting in full evening gown and stiletto heels ! Imagine
My  embarrassment, on leading that most others do it in sensible
Shoes  ajb007/embarrassed , so it's now flats and  A line skirts for me !  ajb007/smile

so that  was you on the 8.45 Bristol to Paddington ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

You can always tell, when you hear passengers say .......
     " Who was that fat Bast*rd!"  ajb007/lol
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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

always shaken wrote:

I suppose we could all go on for ever and nit pick every  Bond film  ajb007/smile but film is the operative word
they are not factual documentaries ,and as ASP9MM says these mistakes go on and on, BUT, and its a big but, we are all entitled to our observational opinion, for open forum discussion,and if someone has an opinion on what they think they have seen,then hopefully the more knowledable of us in our specific field of expertise can set our fellow enquisitors  on the
right path, ajb007/biggrin

Indeedy, folks are entitled to opinions, but what we are seeing here is something that has been happening to too many film viewers for the last twenty years or so.  Films have been dumbed down so much now and for so long that when you get a film that makes you think or you have to fill in the gaps using your own initiative, loads of people are utterly lost and confused.  People expect the dumb assistant or love interest that tags along to ask what's happening so that the main character can then explain to them, and therefore the audience too, just what is happening.  Brosnans films are peppered with this, and when Casino Royale came along, people were confused when they had to think for themselves. 

Skyfall is the same.  And a good example is with the people asking the really daft  question of why MI6 didn't bother to get the hard drive back and it's an obvious plot goof because it's forgotten about.  Just because we don't have a blatant scene showing how MI6 took over the island and obtained everything on it, including the hard drive and all relevant material connected to it (despite the big computer room being shown for a good ten minutes, and Silva's personal computer in Q's hands), they can't seem to be able to work it out for themselves that it was pretty obviously recovered and is now a moot point.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Asp9mm wrote:

Besides Patrice was only holding it in his hand at the time, so better it be lost in the bottom of a river than in the hands of bad folks.

Do you think they should have beamed him to the Enterprise and then direct to an MI6 holding cell?

Seriously these 'Another Skyfall Mistake' threads keep on getting dumber and dumber and show no mistake at all.

No no no! With a skilled transporter operator, you can beam him directly to the brig, then you don't need to waste time beaming him to a holding cell!   ajb007/biggrin

I agree with Richard Dean Anderson, best known for his roles McGyver and O'Neill in Stargate SG1. In both cases he ended up as Co Executive producer of the shows..

'An ongoing battle I have had from day one working in the tv industry is this idea that of dumbing things down for the viewer. If only I had been in the position to say "You're Fired!" the first time I heard someone say that. How dare anyone even consider taking an intelligent idea and tearing away the wit in order to make it easier for people to understand? That's an insult to me as an actor, and certainly to the audience.'

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

I'm sorry I didn't understand that.  ajb007/lol

On TV for many years the highest rated comedy was Frasier  ajb007/martini
In no way was this well written, educated and witty series dumbed down.
Proving the audience  wants" Quality "  and even though many " Executives "
Might think we " plebs" are too stupid to understand the many subtle  nuances
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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Asp9mm wrote:

Dumbed down cinema and programming.  It really drives me nuts.

Amen to that, brother  ajb007/martini

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Patrice wrote:

So, I was watching Skyfall again today, and I noticed yet another mistake/flaw. When Patrice and Bond were fighting on the train, MI6 had most likely assumed that Patrice had the list. So if Moneypenny hadn't missed the shot, wouldn't that mean Patrice would fall into the stream and they wouldn't get the list back?

Thoughts?

No mistake. Things would have been much easier if Eve hadn't missed. No wonder Bond tortures Eve for the rest of her life with sexual innuendo.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Thunderpussy wrote:

I'm sorry I didn't understand that.  ajb007/lol

On TV for many years the highest rated comedy was Frasier  ajb007/martini
In no way was this well written, educated and witty series dumbed down.
Proving the audience  wants" Quality "  and even though many " Executives "
Might think we " plebs" are too stupid to understand the many subtle  nuances
And themes that run through many  good stories.
  Surprisingly given the chance, most of us can !

I agree, not everything is dumbed down.  But the audience demographic for Frasier is very different from a 'cinema blockbuster'.  If you look at the majority of comedy programmes around now, Frasier is quite unique.

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Sir Miles wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

Dumbed down cinema and programming.  It really drives me nuts.

Amen to that, brother  ajb007/martini

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

I  don't know if this counts as duming down, but many things I was taught
As a kid, many younger people don't seem to know.  Some examples

In a shop recently the assistant said she would need her calculator to work
Out the vat.  I told her the vat would be( as I'd worked it out in my head)
She looked at me as if I was Stephen Hawkin  ajb007/biggrin
( 10% + 5% + 2.5% = 17.5%,  it's very easy, even for Me )  ajb007/lol

During a recent thunder storm, I was able to tell a few younger friends that the storm
Was 10 miles away, then that it was about 7.5 miles etc.None of them knew about counting seconds,  sound travels at around 2.5 seconds a mile. So you can roughly work out
How far away it is and its direction.  ajb007/lol

Now it's not that I'm smart ( I think I've proven, I'm not over my many posts) but this
Is all basic stuff I remember from school outings and field trips.  ajb007/lol
Then again with our crazy health and safety laws, perhaps kids don't get the
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Sir Miles wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

Dumbed down cinema and programming.  It really drives me nuts.

Amen to that, brother  ajb007/martini


It's the writer's job to write a script that will appeal to many different types of audiences with different levels of knowledge and the director's job to shoot the film in such a way that it appeals to different audiences with different levels of knowledge.  A director might shoot a scene with shadows across a character's face that resemble prison bars to demonstrate, symbolically, that a character is trapped psychologically.  The cineophiles will appreciate it and it will go over the head of most viewers, but the scene should still be interesting to all levels of viewers even if they don't dig the mise en scene.

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John Logan is a lazy screenwriter who basically recycles cliches for big budget extravaganzas.  Skyfall is no different.  It takes quite a few things we've seen before -- a villain whose ingenious plan is five steps ahead of everyone (The Dark Knight), a hunt for a list of secret agents (Mission Impossible), a showdown in a creaky old manor house (Straw Dogs) -- and forces them into a James Bond film plot.  I was unimpressed at the beginning of Skyfall when it appeared Bond was trying to capture the bad guy rather than just kill him outright.  Later, when I found out the so-called computer whiz Silva for some reason had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into, I realized how weak the whole set up was.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

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had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into

It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
And probably a mutant.

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chrisisall wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into

It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
And probably a mutant.

Of course, but it's still lazy screenwriting because it doesn't make much sense.  It would have made more sense if rather than steal a piece of hardware, Patrice simply had knowledge in his head.   Then they couldn't just go and kill him outright.  But that's what I mean about Logan being underwhelming.   

My favorite bit is when Bond is right next to Patrice in the SUV, and rather than take a shot, he banters with Moneypenny and then for some reason just steers the Range Rover into the other car to knock it off the road.  For an assassin, Bond doesn't seem all that interested in killing Patrice.  That certainly would have been the easiest way to stop him and, if necessary, recover the hard drive. 

But, then, we're supposed to believe that Silva is so doggone clever, that he is able to set into motion his evil plan exactly because Patrice is able to escape from Bond.  Oh, wait, he could have accomplished the same thing by just hacking into the hard drive . . . which apparently was more beyond his means than getting into MI:6's network.