Pros and Cons: Goldeneye

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  • Mr_Sable_BasiliskMr_Sable_Basilisk BerlinPosts: 50MI6 Agent
    All in all a rather good start for a new Bond era, a very solid performance by Pierce, which I enjoyed immensely in 1995 and still do, some awesome scene (dam jump, tank chase, the fight with Trevelyan) good introduction of supporting characters and the best villain of the Brosnan era. Cons are the plane jump and some rather bad special effects (the crash of the russian fighter plane into Severnaya is clearly a model and you recognize it the moment you see it).
    It always has a pretty good fight with TLD for my 5th place in my top five.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    edited December 2014
    There is a deleted Scene which takes place before the Jump, so it explains things a bit more clearly.

    What does the deleted scene do? Are there a succession of mastiffs after Pierce as he runs along the tarmac,.

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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    It shows Bond sneaking into the control room to press the button to open the gate.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Why build a death star, with a big flaw in the design ?
    To make entertaining for the audience. :))

    Well, they made a mistake designing the death star, that's why. Only they knew, and that's why the death star plans were secret. But the rebel alliance stole them. That's a reason. But why does Pierce Brosnan risk his life doing that base jump? for fun?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    His info must have been that was the best way in.
    Then work his way up to the storage area, blow it up
    then leave by stealing an aircraft. :D
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Thanks TP, I've been trying to work that PTS out for ages and you solved the mistery!

    So M said, "look Bond, you just have to do a base jump. Don't worry, there will be no guards. Who's going to look for russian headquarters at the bottom of a dam anyway? then you just have to escape jumping from the mountain top, ok?"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Now I'm not saying there's any logic to it But this is how I imagine it.............

    Because the " weak spot" in security was at the bottom of a 600 ft drop, The Russians weren't too
    worried anyone would be crazy enough to try ( Didn't count on 007) ;)
    Once inside Bond and his mate would work their way up, to destroy all those nasty canisters. then steal a
    plane to escape. Sadly it didn't quite work out that way But as Bond escapes, He knows ( from weeks of
    surveillance ) that a plane should be getting ready to take off. -{ Hence why it's not luck that a plane is there
    but Brilliant tactical planning from Bond.

    I can understand people have problems with the odd scene or sequence in Bond, But I always try and figure out a
    backstory that ( with a stretch of the imagination ) works, ................ for me at least. :))
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,414Chief of Staff
    You should read the script...it fills in a few 'blanks' for some people...
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  • DutchJamesBondFanDutchJamesBondFan the NetherlandsPosts: 414MI6 Agent
    I really liked the score, I see a lot of people don't like it that much, I think it fits the movie perfectly. The different instrumental soundeffects fits perfectly in in the environment of Russia IMHO.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Even though it was released in 1995, the Film still very much feels like a Cold War Thriller -{
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  • King KamalKing Kamal Posts: 85MI6 Agent
    Agree the score is perfect. Cold and gritty music for a cold and gritty location.

    The trio is villains is really strong but apart from Trevelyan, the other two aren't very developed. Would have loved to get some more background/motivations behind Xenia and Ouromov. -{
  • DevilMayCare007DevilMayCare007 Posts: 196MI6 Agent
    I really liked the score, I see a lot of people don't like it that much, I think it fits the movie perfectly. The different instrumental soundeffects fits perfectly in in the environment of Russia IMHO.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I enjoy Goldeneye quite a bit. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond movie. I think Pierce makes a fine debut as 007, although he doesn't quite make up for the loss of Dalton, and the plot and the pace of the film work fine for me. Judi Dench is outstanding as M, and I like the two gorgeous Bond Girls, especially Famke. The action scenes are mostly routine, but I don't have a problem with them (not even the oft-complained about ending of the PTS). The title song is pretty good, but overall I'm unimpressed by the soundtrack. Bottom line - a welcome return of the Bond films series that left me looking forward to more Brosnan as Bond. None of his subsequent films really measure up to Goldeneye, although TWINE comes close, mostly due to Brosnan's strong performance.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Agreed, except the last bit (I like TWINE more than GE).
  • VesperMelogranoVesperMelograno The SouthPosts: 901MI6 Agent
    I enjoy Goldeneye quite a bit. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond movie. I think Pierce makes a fine debut as 007, although he doesn't quite make up for the loss of Dalton, and the plot and the pace of the film work fine for me. Judi Dench is outstanding as M, and I like the two gorgeous Bond Girls, especially Famke. The action scenes are mostly routine, but I don't have a problem with them (not even the oft-complained about ending of the PTS). The title song is pretty good, but overall I'm unimpressed by the soundtrack. Bottom line - a welcome return of the Bond films series that left me looking forward to more Brosnan as Bond. None of his subsequent films really measure up to Goldeneye, although TWINE comes close, mostly due to Brosnan's strong performance.
    I have to echo what you have said. Goldeneye is in my top 5 Bond films, mostly because of it's sentimental value. I think Pierce does a great job playing Bond. It is unfortunately that he was a little too 1990's male- but at the time he was completing with Hugh Grant and all of those other sensitive leading males. I have always thought that the atmosphere of "maleness" changed at the time and so did Bond. Dalton would not have flied (IMHO.) I agree with the Bond girls and M. They really carry the film.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I enjoy Goldeneye quite a bit. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond movie. I think Pierce makes a fine debut as 007, although he doesn't quite make up for the loss of Dalton, and the plot and the pace of the film work fine for me. Judi Dench is outstanding as M, and I like the two gorgeous Bond Girls, especially Famke. The action scenes are mostly routine, but I don't have a problem with them (not even the oft-complained about ending of the PTS). The title song is pretty good, but overall I'm unimpressed by the soundtrack. Bottom line - a welcome return of the Bond films series that left me looking forward to more Brosnan as Bond. None of his subsequent films really measure up to Goldeneye, although TWINE comes close, mostly due to Brosnan's strong performance.
    I have to echo what you have said. Goldeneye is in my top 5 Bond films, mostly because of it's sentimental value. I think Pierce does a great job playing Bond. It is unfortunately that he was a little too 1990's male- but at the time he was completing with Hugh Grant and all of those other sensitive leading males. I have always thought that the atmosphere of "maleness" changed at the time and so did Bond. Dalton would not have flied (IMHO.) I agree with the Bond girls and M. They really carry the film.

    Nice to know we're in agreement on this one! -{
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,644MI6 Agent
    King Kamal wrote:
    Agree the score is perfect. Cold and gritty music for a cold and gritty location.

    The trio is villains is really strong but apart from Trevelyan, the other two aren't very developed. Would have loved to get some more background/motivations behind Xenia and Ouromov. -{

    Alec Trevelyan's motivations weren't all that hot either to be honest. Didn't ring true for me.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    I enjoy Goldeneye quite a bit. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond movie. I think Pierce makes a fine debut as 007, although he doesn't quite make up for the loss of Dalton, and the plot and the pace of the film work fine for me. Judi Dench is outstanding as M, and I like the two gorgeous Bond Girls, especially Famke. The action scenes are mostly routine, but I don't have a problem with them (not even the oft-complained about ending of the PTS). The title song is pretty good, but overall I'm unimpressed by the soundtrack. Bottom line - a welcome return of the Bond films series that left me looking forward to more Brosnan as Bond.
    I can hang with this.
    None of his subsequent films really measure up to Goldeneye
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    TND was his YOLT, except that he didn't have to be turning Japanese. I really think so.

    You Only Live Twice is more entertaining for me. That is despite Sean Connery's sub par performance, Bond's Japanese disguise. and a weak Blofeld. It is a guilty pleasure. Tomorrow Never Dies is guns, guns, and more guns. Bond was never more invincible. Paris Carver and Wai Lin leave me pretty cold (Aki and Kissy have the opposite effect). The only characters (apart from MI6) that I really warm to are Dr. Kaufman and Admiral Roebuck.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    The Track that plays when Bond and Alec are fighting on top of the Satellite Dish complements the Scene perfectly -{
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Tank chase in St Petersburg is visually stunning with a great score, right from Bond and Natalya's escape from the cell up to parking zee tank in the tunnel.
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    I think they had to be cautious where they took the Tank because of the old Sewers beneath St Petersburg -{
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Didn't want to disturb the Turtles ? :D
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    As long as they weren't those 'Snapping Turtles' :))
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    I enjiyed the world is not enough and maybe even the oft-maligned die another day more than goldeneye. But im not sure of the replay value factor. Maybe goldeneye has the best replay value
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    I enjiyed the world is not enough and maybe even the oft-maligned die another day more than goldeneye. But im not sure of the replay value factor. Maybe goldeneye has the best replay value

    Good grief ... that's fighting talk!

    Perhaps not for TWINE, but certainly DAD.

    GE has a more cartoony feel that any of Brosnan's other films, but as someone brought up (initially at least) on Moore's Bonds, there is a synergy there. The soundtrack tends to sit on top of the movie a little which is something that has always grated (in a similar way to the soundtrack of FYEO in many respects).

    Given the length of time since Dalton's previous outing, I am always amazed how well GE sits in the canon though. Stunning locations, Bond girls, action scenes and a storyline that was current. The subplots were generally well considered and connected with the main plot. Brosnan was a slick Bond, but he was able to display a slightly colder emotional Bond that distanced himself from the slightly touchy-feely Dalton.

    GE is still in the top 5 for me.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    GE reinvented Bond -{
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Predator wrote:
    the slightly touchy-feely Dalton.


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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Moore Than wrote:
    Tomorrow Never Dies is guns, guns, and more guns.
    YOLT is explosions, explosions, and more explosions.
    TB is water, water, and more water.
    CR is chases, chases, and more chases.
    Etc.
    You've made a good case to dislike most Bond movies. :))
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    But tnd lacked the story to support the action unlike the others
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