Pros and Cons: The Spy Who Loved Me

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Makes sense, if you take the revenge element out of YOLT, it's basically
    An entertaining travelogue. :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    I may have mentioned this earlier but Moore said "thank you!" exactly 8 times in this movie.

    Therefore, I give it an 8/10.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    and I thank you for that. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    You could have sex with Moore's wife and burn down his safari suits, and he'd still say "Thank you!".
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    You'd hear it. Just as he broke your neck. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    You'd hear it. Just as he broke your neck. :D

    Before or after he pushed me off a cliff? lol
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Random thought: Did anyone else think that XXX's boyfriend looked like George Lazenby a little bit?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think many people do think it is George :)) it's one of those questions I've
    Been asked a few times. " Wasn't George Lazenby in the pts ?" The two other
    OOs in the pts of TLD, are supposed to look like RM and GL ;) although I never
    Noticed until I read that fact. :))
    The actor in the pts of SPY " Michael Billington" was considered as a possible Bond.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Christopher Wood in his Novelization for the TSWLM expands on the PTS and has you thinking that XXX's Boyfriend is in fact Bond.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Makes sense, if you take the revenge element out of YOLT, it's basically
    An entertaining travelogue. :)


    Actually, a "travelogue" is what Dahl called it.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    edited March 2015
    Yes, YOLT very much reads like a Tourist Brochure for Japan.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Hey, :)) I must be smarter than even I thought. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    i think it was intended that Bond would be the man in bed with her.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    For people who say Roger Moore was just a campy Bond:

    "When someone's behind you on skis at 40 miles per hour trying to put a bullet in your back, you don't always have time to remember a face. In our business, Anya, people get killed. We both know that. So did he. It was either him or me. The answer to the question is yes. I did kill him." - Roger Moore's Bond
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Don't forget that he also had some of the coldest Kills in the Franchise.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Moore did both a funny and a serious Bond well. That's why TSWLM was so good.

    And yes, I agree. Connery and Lazenby's Bond did have less comical moments, but they never were as dark and serious as Moore's Bond was at certain points.
  • Oddjob's HatOddjob's Hat United Kingdom Posts: 22MI6 Agent
    I have also remember an article about some similarities between YOLT and
    Dr No !
    Secret Island Base Interfering with Rockets, escape via a tunnel. Two sides
    Deing played off each other BT spectre etc. ;)
    So I agree that many of the films have reused ideas and " Formula " not just
    TSWLM. ;)
    So you could say Dr No was remade as YOLT, then again as TSWLM, then as MR
    and finally as DAD. :))

    The end of QoS reminds me of the end of Dr.No & YOLT..
    Do you expect me to talk?
  • ManxmanManxman Posts: 122MI6 Agent
    Manxman wrote:
      It’s a thinly disguised rewrite of “You Only Live Twice”

    Interesting. In what way. Don't half the films in the series confine to the Dr. No/Goldfinger formula, rather than anything specifically YOLT did. Just the nuclear missiles plan? Because that would be more akin to Thunderball.

    The nuclear submarine could be comparable to the YOLT battle-copter. But what else am I missing?

    I think Manxman means the ships swallowing the submarines (like the space capsules swallowing the Soviet and American capsules in YOLT) and trying to instigate another world war. {[]
    Yes, precisely. There's also one scene that's a direct homage to YOLT: when the rioting submariners are on the loose, Stromberg's control room is closed off with the phrase "Now we are impregnable". This is identical to the scene in YOLT when the ninjas break in and Blofeld closes off his control room with exactly the same line.

    It's odd that Bond films that imitate other Bond films do seem to include these overt references. AVTAK, essentially reworking the plot of "Goldfinger", has a scene in which the villain kills an associate who is unwilling to participate in his plan, just as Goldfinger did with Mr Solo. Similarly, DAD, which reprises DAF's theme of a laser satellite, features diamonds heavily in its plot.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    DAD has Elements of the MR Novel.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    It's basically the Moonraker plot shell except Germany/Britain is North/South Korea and nuclear missiles are solar lasers.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Question: Who was the title of the film referring to?

    Was Bond the spy who loved XXX or was XXX the spy who loved Bond?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I guess coming from the Books angle, the spy in question was Bond. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Cart said: It's basically the Moonraker plot shell except Germany/Britain is North/South Korea and nuclear missiles are solar lasers.

    ...and Drax = Graves (taken to be English but actually a military officer from an unfriendly nation, who makes a lot of money very quickly and funds a scientific project ostensibly for benign reasons but actually for military purposes, becoming popular with the press then knighted by the Queen).

    Krebs = Zao (his right hand man from his military past, still there in his new identity)

    Frost = Brand (his right hand woman planted on him by UK security) Indeed, she was originally going to be called Gala Brand until it was decided that she would turn out to be a triple agent.

    Bond and Drax/Graves battle at Blades (cards in the MR novel, swords in DAD) with real venom underneath the supposedly "friendly" game.

    I'm sure there are further parallels.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Hey, :)) I must be smarter than even I thought. :))


    Don't let it go to your head. :)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) I'm not smart enough for that ! ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Question: Who was the title of the film referring to?

    Was Bond the spy who loved XXX or was XXX the spy who loved Bond?

    It could refer to just both of them.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Question: Who was the title of the film referring to?

    Was Bond the spy who loved XXX or was XXX the spy who loved Bond?

    It could refer to just both of them.

    I agree with you. I suppose it depends on the context, but the title refers to both Bond and Major Amasova. In "Nobody Does it Better", Carly Simon is singing about Bond with the lyric "the spy who loved me". Reversely -- in the teaser trailer -- Bond says "in this case... it's the spy who loved me" clearly referring to Anya.

    Such a wonderful title for such a wonderful film; I'm grateful that Fleming gave EoN the rights to use it!
    "The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker

    1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Fleming disliked the actual Story, hence why he only gave Permission for the Title to be used.

    Even though Jaws is based on one of the two Villains in the Book, Slugsy and Horror.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    According to Steven Jay Rubin (in his book "The James Bond Films"), Broccoli told his writers that "The Spy Who Loved Me" was to be a Russian agent, ie Anya, who falls in love with Bond.
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Pros:

    -Moore gives a fantastic performance.
    -The disco bits in the score are fun to hear.
    -Gilbert's direction is fantastic, arguably an improvement over his work in YOLT.
    -Stromberg is an intimidating enough villain, even if he's no Scaramanga.
    -Moore has good chemistry with Bach.
    -Bach was a fine beauty in her day.
    -The battle in the Liparus is great.

    Cons:

    -Stromberg wants a nuclear apocalypse so that he can live underwater with whoever else survives. Not the greatest plot, but I can just think "this guy's a madman", and roll with it.

    Overall, I love TSWLM, and give it a 10/10.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
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