Pros and Cons: The World Is Not Enough

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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    She's gorgeous. Any words coming out her mouth are okay with me.
    Halle Berry is another story.... :o

    Agreed!! Jinx deserves far more abuse. But then again, it's DAD, so naturally...

    Halle Berry is the worst Bond girl ever! Her acting was terrible. Infact she makes Denise Richards seem like Meryl Streep. :D
    1.ohmss 2.cr 3.frwl 4.ltk 5.gf 6.tswlm 7.sf 8.op 9.tld 10.dn 11.lald 12.tb 13.fyeo 14.ge 15.mr 16.yolt 17.tnd 18.avtak 19.sp 20.twine 21.qos 22.tmwtgg 23.daf 24.dad
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Halle Berry is the worst Bond girl ever! Her acting was terrible. Infact she makes Denise Richards seem like Meryl Streep. :D
    Denise Richards approves of this post. -{
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Halle Berry is the worst Bond girl ever! Her acting was terrible. Infact she makes Denise Richards seem like Meryl Streep. :D
    Denise Richards approves of this post. -{

    And I approve of Denise Richards. -{
    1.ohmss 2.cr 3.frwl 4.ltk 5.gf 6.tswlm 7.sf 8.op 9.tld 10.dn 11.lald 12.tb 13.fyeo 14.ge 15.mr 16.yolt 17.tnd 18.avtak 19.sp 20.twine 21.qos 22.tmwtgg 23.daf 24.dad
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Halle Berry is the worst Bond girl ever! Her acting was terrible. Infact she makes Denise Richards seem like Meryl Streep. :D
    Denise Richards approves of this post. -{

    And I approve of Denise Richards. -{
    Then all is well. :)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    "And how do you survive?"
    "I take pleasure in great beauty."
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    Opinions on Dr. Christmas Jones?

    I quite like her, there are certainly other BGs I prefer to her, but I think she's a likeable BG.

    Wait, this was already discussed.

    Oh well...
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Opinions on Dr. Christmas Jones?

    I quite like her, there are certainly other BGs I prefer to her, but I think she's a likeable BG.

    I think she's one of the least likeable!
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I like her quite a lot. I know it's hard to take her job seriously - but she's so hot :x
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I like her quite a lot. I know it's hard to take her job seriously - but she's so hot :x

    She's very attractive for sure.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    I've said it elsewhere but if someone as basically stupid as Ben Carson can be a neurosurgeon, then someone as basically gorgeous as Christmas Jones can be a nuclear physicist. :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    Revisted TWINE after a long time. This appears to be Brosnan's best performances till that point. He looks settled in the role. The PTS kicks off the film nicely. Background score is good too. Marceau does the job.

    The film has some good moments but overall feels unexciting compared to many of the other Bond films .... Both the film and Dr. Christmas Jones are strong contenders for the title of the worst Bond film and the worst BG respectively
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    Revisted TWINE after a long time. This appears to be Brosnan's best performances till that point. He looks settled in the role. The PTS kicks off the film nicely. Background score is good too. Marceau does the job.

    The film has some good moments but overall feels unexciting compared to many of the other Bond films .... Both the film and Dr. Christmas Jones are strong contenders for the title of the worst Bond film and the worst BG respectively

    I think the film is quite different because it almost plays out more like a drama than an action thriller. The action is sort of "Inserted Here" as the case with many of the Brosnan films - for me, TWINE's psychological battles eventually won by Bond make this one of the best for me.

    You're right, Pierce is very comfortable in this and IMO it's his best performance.

    The World Is Not Enough is the Bond family motto though - and I think it ties in nicely with the oil plot line.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    am747 is a hardcore old-schooler :007) .

    It's plausible to understand his dislike of TWINE.

    I love it though, although I can't deny that I'm a Brosnan fanboy.

    We all have our biases.

    Sophie Marceu is my main issue with the movie. I'm not a big fan of Elektra.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • IcePakIcePak Perth, Western AustraliaPosts: 170MI6 Agent
    Pros
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    [*]One of the series' best PTS[/*]
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    [*]The darker, more realistic approach to the story[/*]
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    [*]Brosnan's darker, more emotional performance as Bond[/*]
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    [*]The M as prisoner scenes[/*]
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    [*]Sophie Marceu's portrayal of Elektra[/*]
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    [*]Elektra King as a fake-ally enemy and how she uses Bond against himself.[/*]
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    [*]Desmond Llewellyn's send off as Q[/*]
    [/list]

    Cons
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    [*]The script seems schizophrenic, leaping from drama to action with little reasoning.[/*]
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    [*]Too much mundane action.[/*]
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    [*]Denise Richards, although visually appealing, is unbelievable as a nuclear physicist.[/*]
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    [*]Robert Carlyle is criminally underused[/*]
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    [*]The character of Renard is not very threatening or believable[/*]
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    [*]The schizophrenic pace, which makes the story harder to understand[/*]
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    [*]Bland locations[/*]
    [/list]

    Overall, although I want to like the film, I find it very off-putting because of it's schizophrenic pace. Does it want to be an action film or a drama? I would be happy with either, but it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. I would have liked them to have spent more time on it or included the extra 30 minutes that was cut because test audiences declared it "too long". I think the extra running time would have made it a much better, more cohesive film. I hope the extra 30 minutes will resurface on a Bluray release some day.
    1. CR 2. OHMSS 3. GE 4. TLD 5. FRwL 6. TMWTGG 7. FYEO
    8. OP 9. TSWLM 10. SF 11. TND 12. LtK 13. NTtD 14. GF
    15. AVtaK 16. LaLD 17. TWiNE 18. MR 19. YOLT 20. DN 21. TB
    22. SP 23. DAD 24. QoS 25. DaF
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    IcePak wrote:
    Pros
    [list=*]
    [*]One of the series' best PTS[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]The darker, more realistic approach to the story[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Brosnan's darker, more emotional performance as Bond[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]The M as prisoner scenes[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Sophie Marceu's portrayal of Elektra[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Elektra King as a fake-ally enemy and how she uses Bond against himself.[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Desmond Llewellyn's send off as Q[/*]
    [/list]

    Cons
    [list=*]
    [*]The script seems schizophrenic, leaping from drama to action with little reasoning.[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Too much mundane action.[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Denise Richards, although visually appealing, is unbelievable as a nuclear physicist.[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Robert Carlyle is criminally underused[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]The character of Renard is not very threatening or believable[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]The schizophrenic pace, which makes the story harder to understand[/*]
    [/list]
    [list=*]
    [*]Bland locations[/*]
    [/list]

    Overall, although I want to like the film, I find it very off-putting because of it's schizophrenic pace. Does it want to be an action film or a drama? I would be happy with either, but it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. I would have liked them to have spent more time on it or included the extra 30 minutes that was cut because test audiences declared it "too long". I think the extra running time would have made it a much better, more cohesive film. I hope the extra 30 minutes will resurface on a Bluray release some day.

    Interesting to see someone who has TWINE as a least fave Brosnan Era Bond film.

    It seems most pick either DAD or TND as their least fave Brosnan Era BF. I think I've never seen GE get that position.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    IcePak wrote:

    Overall, although I want to like the film, I find it very off-putting because of it's schizophrenic pace. Does it want to be an action film or a drama? I would be happy with either, but it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be.

    Agree. The film is confused. TWINE's strong points are not strong enough to overshadow its weak points .... Spectre in a way suffers from similar dilemma but its strong parts are very strong to overshadow the weak points

    One can categorize films such as DN and FRWL as ones that balance action, drama and espionage superbly :)
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    With the 25 Bond films - I put it at 24
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    there are only 24
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    there are only 24

    Oh well its 23 out of 24
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • Willard WhyteWillard Whyte Posts: 166MI6 Agent
    This might be controversial, but I watched this today and it's Imo the best of the Brosnan films, PB is brilliant as Bond in this and it's got a great cast.

    A top film.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    This might be controversial, but I watched this today and it's Imo the best of the Brosnan films, PB is brilliant as Bond in this and it's got a great cast.

    A top film.

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    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    This might be controversial, but I watched this today and it's Imo the best of the Brosnan films, PB is brilliant as Bond in this and it's got a great cast.

    A top film.

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    Well, TND is MY go-to Brozzer, but man, TWINE be fine! {[]
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    This might be controversial, but I watched this today and it's Imo the best of the Brosnan films, PB is brilliant as Bond in this and it's got a great cast.

    A top film.

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    Well, TND is MY go-to Brozzer, but man, TWINE be fine! {[]


    The thing with Brosnan is, that GE, TND and TWINE are all movies that get mentioned as "favourite Brosnan" movie a lot by us die-hard fans of the franchise.
    I believe GoldenEye is one of the most loved Bond movies in general.

    This shows that Brosnan has made three out of four movies that can be considered to have a strong fan base.
    And don't forget that DAD, just for instance, on Rotten Tomatoes isn't at the bottom, not even in the bottom 3.

    For me GoldenEye is the best with Tomorrow Never Dies almost as good. Both are in my Top 10. And all those in my Top 10 are considered to be bloody great by me :D actually even my Top 12, ha!

    Ok, it's a TWINE thread, so I'll say something about it :)) it's not one of my favourites because I didn't like the twist of Elektra becoming the baddie, M being stupid and Renard being a total bore.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent

    Ok, it's a TWINE thread, so I'll say something about it :)) it's not one of my favourites because I didn't like the twist of Elektra becoming the baddie, M being stupid and Renard being a total bore.
    I liked the twist a lot. The other two, yeah, I guess. But to ME a Bond film works or doesn't mainly because of BOND. And Pierce delivered the goods every time. Fook HIM if he thinks he didn't. :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,646MI6 Agent
    This might be controversial, but I watched this today and it's Imo the best of the Brosnan films, PB is brilliant as Bond in this and it's got a great cast.

    A top film.

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    It's certainly not controversial with me! :)
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Renard is one of the weakest villains
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I thought he got stronger every day ? :))
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,646MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    Renard is one of the weakest villains

    Though it's actually Elektra King that turns out to be the main villain in the end, with Renard merely her pawn.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I think Carlyle gets the job done as Renard, although as a BH, he doesn't touch Red Grant, Oddjob, or Jaws.

    For me, he's an alright henchman, but certainly not a great one.

    I do like that he's generally immune to pain though.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    I thought he got stronger every day ? :))

    Until the law of diminishing returns kicks in :))
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