Re: C vs Blofeld: The Better Villain

HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

This movie sorely needed a SPECTRE meeting scene after the opening credits - one where Andrew Scott is present. We then follow him out of that meeting into Whitehall, right into M's office, where M is chewing out Bond for the Mexico incident. Now we know C is SPECTRE and the characters don't. Make him the ticking bomb under the table, instead of a limp plot twist.

There are so many other problems with the script, but C might have been developed into something more interesting if they'd approached him in more of a Largo/Thunderball fashion.

I like that we're not supposed to know that C is SPECTRE, though once Andrew Scott was cast and the title was announced to be Spectre, it was obvious he was going to be a SPECTRE agent.


Re: C vs Blofeld: The Better Villain

Miles Messervy wrote:
Matt S wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

yes, its that old staple of drama.....conflict

"Too much going on in the film" - yes, if you have the attention span of a jellyfish

They've been trying to big up M since TWINE (maybe since LTK) Sometimes they have been successful. When you have an actor with the statue of Ralph Fiennes you have to give him something meaningful. The snarling over the boardroom with C was good and authentic.

Yes, there is conflict. There are two stories that conflict with each other for their prominence in the film. And the two conflicts within the film are watered-down because of it.

I agree with Matt on this. In interviews, Craig eluded to the fact that they threw everything they could think of into this film, and it showed. It also ended up being the film's biggest weakness. Having two parallel villains that are apparently working together, but never interact, gave the film a disjointed quality. Neither villain is given the chance to shine because there is too much competing focus. That said, C's motivations, while somewhat unclear, still seem more plausible to me than Blofeld's. Therefore, I think C was actually the better villain.

You you wants executions ala Smersh. One button and he's frazzled.

I thought we'd moved on this..

'C' was fine. As I said a fully paid up member of the establishment. One who shares 'visionary' qualities. Wants the agencies office really not to compete with Blofeld's spectre. in fact he is a competing member of spectre - one which is on our side of the fence..

Blofeld for 007, 'C' for M. They compliment each other perfectly.

I wonder how many members of this Tory government are actually members of Spectre. Ian Duncan Smith for one...

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Re: C vs Blofeld: The Better Villain

I agree with what a lot of you guys are saying that the 2 plot layers of C and Spectre seem disjointed.  From the beginning with 1st sight of the Spectre ring in the Mexico City PTS, we know that Spectre is business a usual as an ominous and dangerous crime organization.  In contrast, apart from the nefarious (but newly made legal) surveillance witnessed by MI6 being perpetrated against them, C presented himself as a bureaucratic bully.  Maybe C should have been made to do something more sinister in the middle of the movie, like a cold-blooded killing of a staffer who accidentally discovers the Spectre plot, etc., similar to Brian Cox’s character in the Bourne Supremacy.

I think there are 2 kinds of villain dynamics in the Bond movies, one in which the main villain and his/her subordinates directly interact at some point in the film (in FRWL, a visual connection is made even with Morzeny and the hierarchy, though he was only a secondary henchman).  Then, there are the times when the villain association is implied through dialog and the members do not actually meet, like Dr. Kaufman in TND even though he and Stamper communicate on radio and talk about each other; to me it seemed lacking and the connection was disjointed.  In SP, as it’s been said, at some point it should have been shown how C is deep in the organization, ideally in direct interaction with Blofeld.  Better still, a scene in which Blofeld orders his instant execution would have been fantastic.

"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....