1 Topic by heartbroken_mr_drax

  • heartbroken_mr_drax
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: New Zealand
  • Registered: 27th Jan 2005
  • Posts: 2,085

Topic: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I've always loved Garbage's The World Is Not Enough, IMO I would place it within the top ten title songs easily - I'd also rate it the best Bond title song since A View To A Kill.

It has it all. It's sultry, sexy and rocky. It has the perfect Arnold balance of orchestra, guitar and electronic. Manson's voice is stunning and above all, the lyrics make sense in the context of the film. Clearly it helped that Don Black was involved, but Arnold's overall talent shines in this and throughout the soundtrack - which features some of the most beautiful orchestral arrangements out of all films.

What does everyone else think?

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

2 Reply by Barbel

  • Barbel
  • Chief of Staff
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Scotland
  • Registered: 29th Jan 2005
  • Posts: 26,564

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

It's a good song, it's a good Bond song but there are many better and quite a few worse so I'd put it in the upper middle rank.
I love Arnold's work on the slower softer parts of the score ("Elektra's Theme" in its different guises) though only some of the action cues appeal to me.

3 Reply by MarcAngeDraco

  • MarcAngeDraco
  • Banned
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Piz Gloria
  • Registered: 19th Mar 2016
  • Posts: 564

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

Definitely a classic Bond song in my eyes (or ears). I've tried to compile a best Bond song list over the years, but I realise there are so many great themes, with only a handful of mediocre or simply 'good' tracks, that I can never order them. We've been pretty lucky over the years.

Arnold's score is amongst my favourites too.

Film: Tomorrow Never Dies | Girl: Teresa di Vicenzo | Villain: Max Zorin | Car: Aston Martin Volante | Novel: You Only Live Twice | Bond: Sir Sean Connery

4 Reply by Thunderpussy

  • Thunderpussy
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Behind you !
  • Registered: 12th Feb 2009
  • Posts: 62,210

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I love a good Bond ballad,  and TWINE fits the bill for me.   ajb007/martini

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

5 Reply by MarcAngeDraco

  • MarcAngeDraco
  • Banned
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Piz Gloria
  • Registered: 19th Mar 2016
  • Posts: 564

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I also love Only Myself to Blame, and despite the great Bond theme at the end of TWINE, part of me wishes OMTB played over the credits.  ajb007/bond

Film: Tomorrow Never Dies | Girl: Teresa di Vicenzo | Villain: Max Zorin | Car: Aston Martin Volante | Novel: You Only Live Twice | Bond: Sir Sean Connery

6 Reply by CoolHandBond

  • CoolHandBond
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Mactan Island
  • Registered: 5th Jul 2015
  • Posts: 3,235

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

The name Garbage sums up this title song very aptly  ajb007/biggrin

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

7 Reply by Matt S

  • Matt S
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Oh Cult Voodoo Shop
  • Registered: 11th Apr 2006
  • Posts: 6,301

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I think it's easily the best main theme (and the only one I really care for) since John Barry left, but that doesn't make it a classic.

Visit my blog, The Suits of James Bond

Matt S's Website

8 Reply by Golrush007

  • Golrush007
  • Quartermaster
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: South Africa
  • Registered: 5th Nov 2004
  • Posts: 2,804

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I think one of the best modern Bond themes, it is probably my favourite Arnold theme because it has a good mix of old and modern style but isn't as pastiche-60s styled as Surrender. Shirley Manson's vocal performance matches the song really well. Overall, I'd rank it mid-table in the Bond themes, so not quite a classic, but a strong entry.

Golrush007's Website

9 Reply by Jag

  • Jag
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Registered: 20th May 2010
  • Posts: 1,166

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

10 Reply by welshboy78

  • welshboy78
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Registered: 13th Dec 2010
  • Posts: 9,607

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I likey

Instagram - bondclothes007

11 Reply by MarcAngeDraco

  • MarcAngeDraco
  • Banned
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Piz Gloria
  • Registered: 19th Mar 2016
  • Posts: 564

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

Jag wrote:

It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

In fact, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Surrender and The World Is Not Enough are just as good as A View to a Kill, Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and Thunderball.

Film: Tomorrow Never Dies | Girl: Teresa di Vicenzo | Villain: Max Zorin | Car: Aston Martin Volante | Novel: You Only Live Twice | Bond: Sir Sean Connery

12 Reply by heartbroken_mr_drax

  • heartbroken_mr_drax
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: New Zealand
  • Registered: 27th Jan 2005
  • Posts: 2,085

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

MarcAngeDraco wrote:

Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

I love the opening of the song, the way it starts is excellent - but there's really something wrong with the way Crowe starts the chorus. It's almost as if she's struggling to sing that type of song.

It's a shame, because everything else is so right about the song.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

13 Reply by CoolHandBond

  • CoolHandBond
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Mactan Island
  • Registered: 5th Jul 2015
  • Posts: 3,235

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

MarcAngeDraco wrote:
Jag wrote:

It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

In fact, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Surrender and The World Is Not Enough are just as good as A View to a Kill, Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and Thunderball.

You cannot really be serious to compare that dross to all time Bond classics? Please tell me you are joking - is it April 1st?

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

14 Reply by SilentSpy

  • SilentSpy
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Private Exotic Area
  • Registered: 15th Aug 2010
  • Posts: 698

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

Love it. It's probably in my top 5 Bond songs if I had to make a list.

"Better late than never."

15 Reply by MarcAngeDraco

  • MarcAngeDraco
  • Banned
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Piz Gloria
  • Registered: 19th Mar 2016
  • Posts: 564

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

CoolHandBond wrote:
MarcAngeDraco wrote:
Jag wrote:

It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

In fact, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Surrender and The World Is Not Enough are just as good as A View to a Kill, Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and Thunderball.

You cannot really be serious to compare that dross to all time Bond classics? Please tell me you are joking - is it April 1st?

Deadly serious.

Film: Tomorrow Never Dies | Girl: Teresa di Vicenzo | Villain: Max Zorin | Car: Aston Martin Volante | Novel: You Only Live Twice | Bond: Sir Sean Connery

16 Reply by stag

  • stag
  • Banned
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Registered: 14th Sep 2014
  • Posts: 2,098

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

MarcAngeDraco wrote:

Deadly serious.

There's a chapter title for a Bond novel if anyone is looking for ideas!

17 Reply by lotus

  • lotus
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • From: england
  • Registered: 23rd Nov 2006
  • Posts: 291

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

Bottom of the lot for me

18 Reply by perdogg

  • perdogg
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Registered: 15th May 2010
  • Posts: 437

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

I've always loved Garbage's The World Is Not Enough, IMO I would place it within the top ten title songs easily - I'd also rate it the best Bond title song since A View To A Kill.

It has it all. It's sultry, sexy and rocky. It has the perfect Arnold balance of orchestra, guitar and electronic. Manson's voice is stunning and above all, the lyrics make sense in the context of the film. Clearly it helped that Don Black was involved, but Arnold's overall talent shines in this and throughout the soundtrack - which features some of the most beautiful orchestral arrangements out of all films.

What does everyone else think?

I thought it would have been better had it remained Orchestral instead a crossover for MTV.

"And if I told you that I'm from the Ministry of Defence?" James Bond  - The Property of a Lady

19 Reply by Oddjoblofeldraxorin

  • Oddjoblofeldraxorin
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: California
  • Registered: 22nd Nov 2015
  • Posts: 195

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

TWINE is far from my favorite Bond film, but I still love the song. ajb007/martini

20 Reply by BIG TAM

  • BIG TAM
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Wrexham, North Wales, UK.
  • Registered: 15th Sep 2010
  • Posts: 761

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I've always liked the song. There's a subtle difference in some of the arrangement over the titles to that of the soundtrack album which I think is better. Perhaps if the song were credited to Shirley Manson rather than her band, Garbage people would take it more seriously.

21 Reply by welshguy34

  • welshguy34
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Registered: 10th Aug 2016
  • Posts: 220

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

It's a good song.  The best of Brosnan's films.  Not sure it's a classic but I like it.

22 Reply by lotus

  • lotus
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • From: england
  • Registered: 23rd Nov 2006
  • Posts: 291

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

The world is not enough title song is no way a classic bond song no where near!

23 Reply by James Suzuki

  • James Suzuki
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: New Zealand
  • Registered: 4th Apr 2010
  • Posts: 2,301

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

It's not my favourite. But it is absolutely under-appreciated. Love also how David Arnold uses the tune within the film's score.
I love how it begins while Brosnan hurts his shoulder in the opening.

“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

24 Reply by ml94

  • ml94
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Finland
  • Registered: 17th Sep 2015
  • Posts: 81

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I think it is. ajb007/martini

"Bond, James Bond"

25 Reply by JET007

  • JET007
  • MI6 Agent
  • Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • From: Austin, TX
  • Registered: 24th Jan 2018
  • Posts: 100

Re: Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

I'd definitely put it in the top 10 for me. Had the pleasure of hearing them play it live back in August and it gave me chills. So seductive and powerful hearing it live.

@JaviTru on Twitter and @TheBondIsNotEnough on Instagram. Occasional contributor to thejamesbonddossier.com