AR7 Explorer rifle

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  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,241Quartermasters
    edited August 2009
    Any other AR-7 owners run into any problems?
    ed
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    I have never fired mine, although I've heard it's a fun "plinker". The jamming is said to occur more with the newer iterations than with the original Armalite version. They say chamfering the rear edge of the chamber helps to solve jamming problems. I get a bigger kick shooting my .40's or what has been called a 10mm short. Lately I've got the bug for a .45 in the form of a 1911. Now that's a man stopper.

    DG
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    Donald Grant I get a bigger kick shooting my .40's or what has been called a 10mm short. Lately I've got the bug for a .45 in the form of a 1911. Now that's man stopper. DG

    Now your talking, DG

    I won't hijack this thread into "the world's best handgun" or anything like that. But the 1911 is just about the "nee-plus-ultra" of pistols. It's also quite a challenge to shoot well. I've tried 25 yard bullseye shooting with a target version and it's pretty hard just keeping them in the black at that distance. But the 1911 is a powerful, reliable, design with alot of history behind it. It was, when equipted with a long barrel, the literary Bond's choice for "long range shooting".

    In the novel FRWL, instead of an AR7, Kerim Bey supplies a walking stick gun, made from the barrel of a .308 Model 88 Winchester. Now that has enough "oomph" to knock Krilencu off his easy chair! Given the skeltonized nature of Kerim Bey's rifle, it it would have hurt like heck on both ends!!!

    To stimulate things a bit, here's a picture of the "long barrelled Colt", ...... I'll call it Ian Fleming's answer to the AR7


    coltp3.jpg
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    not wanting to boast but i was county junior champion with air pistol shooting back when i was young enough to qulaify as 'junior'.

    bare in mind as well that a) ok, air pistols suck compared to full bore, but its the UK and we aren't allowed anything more than pee shooters and b) i was only shooting 10 metres, but my average was about 47/48 out of 50.

    bond eat ya arse off. :o :p B-) :))
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  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Ahhhhh reminds me of old Bessie, Back in 82 My family owened an old 1911 nickal plated, it had been in the loft for about 15 years and in a real bad state, I was about half way through my aprentiship as a gunsmith and restored it but back to black, it looked just like the one above but with a short barrel, gone now though :'(
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    yeah but c'mon, with confiscating all the legal shooters guns, look how dramatically gun crime has fallen! 8-)
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  • thespyboys11thespyboys11 Lindenwold,NJPosts: 1,844MI6 Agent
    "...a walking stick gun, made from the barrel of a .308 Model 88 Winchester."

    Hmmm...maybe time to start doing props from the literary Bond novels...

    Ed
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    Ed,

    Read the passages on the walking stick rifle in FRWL, I'd love to see one of your excellent drawings of that one!
  • scaramangasgoldengunscaramangasgoldengun ScotlandPosts: 1,388MI6 Agent
    wasnt this device.. sort of brougt into the movies with Zukovskys walking cane? gun stick

    also this weapon can be seen in Barry Nelsons Bond TV film ' Casino Royale'

    I am working on a replica of the gun stick from TWINE ? anyone got any info on it ?
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,241Quartermasters
    edited August 2009
    7289 wrote:
    Donald Grant I get a bigger kick shooting my .40's or what has been called a 10mm short. Lately I've got the bug for a .45 in the form of a 1911. Now that's man stopper. DG

    Now your talking, DG

    I won't hijack this thread into "the world's best handgun" or anything like that. But the 1911 is just about the "nee-plus-ultra" of pistols. It's also quite a challenge to shoot well. I've tried 25 yard bullseye shooting with a target version and it's pretty hard just keeping them in the black at that distance. But the 1911 is a powerful, reliable, design with alot of history behind it. It was, when equipted with a long barrel, the literary Bond's choice for "long range shooting".

    In the novel FRWL, instead of an AR7, Kerim Bey supplies a walking stick gun, made from the barrel of a .308 Model 88 Winchester. Now that has enough "oomph" to knock Krilencu off his easy chair! Given the skeltonized nature of Kerim Bey's rifle, it it would have hurt like heck on both ends!!!

    To stimulate things a bit, here's a picture of the "long barrelled Colt", ...... I'll call it Ian Fleming's answer to the AR7


    coltp3.jpg

    Nice Colt, is it yours? It's true that the 1911 is a powerful, reliable, legendary and historic handgun. So much so that the LAPD's SWAT and SIS (Special Investigation Section) uses Kimber's iteration of the 1911. FBI HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) and other select teams also carry a custom Springfield Armory 1911 while regular Agents are authorized to carry it provided they pass a transition course and are SWAT qualified. Another alphabet agency that I know of has also been recently authorized to cary the same Springfield Armory custom 1911. Add to that the fact that many soldiers are electing to purchase their own 1911's for combat duty in Iraq and Afganistan. The 1911 is, after all these years, still a viable handgun, still recognized by elite police and military forces.
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    Yes DG, The pictured Colt is in my collection.

    It's a parts gun, made up from bits and pieces I collected over the years. The frame is a WW2 Remington, the slide a post-war Colt. I got the long (oo7) barrel about 25 years ago from the parts bin at a gunshop where I worked. Shoots well, but it's mostly a display piece. I have others I shoot more often.

    I put the piece together for my Bond collection featured in my "Handguns of the Literary James Bond" article published on this site sometime back. Here is a link:

    http://jamesbond.ajb007.co.uk/handguns-of-james-bond/


    Right now if you do buy a .45, I recommend the Colt World War One Replica. It looks alot much like the pistol pictured, and is excellent quality - and an original Colt!!!!

    After all you have the AR7!
  • thespyboys11thespyboys11 Lindenwold,NJPosts: 1,844MI6 Agent
    At the request of Tom Mulhall, who is reconstructing the Aston Martin DBS to OHMSS Specs, I took another long-depth look at the "silencer" in the glove book in the scene from the film.

    I hate doing this... but I will admit I was wrong in my original speculations…LOL

    See…that’s what happens when you get lazy and rely on memory on what you think you saw or use reference others have provided. The ONLY way to get it right is to check and double-check your sources.

    In this case I originally only went by the photos I already had instead of going to the DVD and pausing the film as well as zooming in on the image…then lightening the photo…adjusting the contrast and finally comparing images from different sections of the film.

    The screen-seen “silencer is VERY close to the one made by Tom.

    However, I originally stated that the knurling should be moved back based on what I thought I saw in the originally posted screen capture. I was concentrating SO much on what I thought was knurling that I didn’t notice the front of the tube.

    Tom said he believed that the knurling placement was correct on the version he had made and that it should be closer to the tip.

    It was suggested that, perhaps, it was merely a shadow of the scope mount giving us the impression that there was knurling. I disputed that pointing out the direction of two different light sources.

    Well…studying it closely…here is my perception…as of today…LOL

    This first screen capture shows you that there is a REFLECTION of the scope mount on the body of the tube. NOT a shadow…but a reflection!!!

    007-OHMSS_AR-7-Silencer-01.jpg

    Notice the reflection disappears when the scope mount is removed.
    This also clearly shows ONLY the tip has knurling.

    007-OHMSS_AR-7-Silencer-02.jpg

    The following drawings show how I perceive the “silencer” was made.
    It could be any of the following…..

    1. Solid/hollow body with knurling machined on the tip
    2. Solid/hollow body with a knurled cap simply pushed into the front
    3. Hollow body with a knurled cap screwed into the front.
    4. Solid body with a knurled cap screwed into the front

    007-OHMSS_AR-7-OptionFINAL.jpg

    It could be ANY of those possibilities we see up there on the screen.

    In fact, it’s possible that this IS, as Mick suggested, the same prop we see in the publicity stills that we have so dubbed “Q-Branch Chest Shooter”

    And, as previously stated, I think that the 007 Screen Archive book features a generic tapered silencer and not the screen-used version with the front cap removed.

    So there you have it, for what it’s worth…

    Ed
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  • scaramangasgoldengunscaramangasgoldengun ScotlandPosts: 1,388MI6 Agent
    you ''HATE'' to admit it :)) Dont be too hard on yourself Ed. At least you are honest. :007)

    And yes, from this I have learned a valuable leasson with regards to not going by a memory for detail. But better to re-check and look again at the sources, so much appreciated.

    now with regards to the Diagram and possible theorys.

    I am pretty sure that the silencer from the DBS Glovebox rifle kit, ''WAS'' the same silencer seen on Lazenby's PPK for the publicity shots when it went on straight :)) and then used on Connery's PPK for DAF when it flopped! only when it is on the PPK's in both case's the tip has been screwed off / removed, and when it is in the glove box it features the knurrled attachment at the front.

    now from your diagrams Ed, I would say 3 and 4 are more accurate, however its clear to me that there is some smooth material / tube, pipe in front of the knurrled pattern and the knurrling does not reach the actual tip of the silencer attachment.

    I actually feel that Tom's replica at the moment is pretty much spot on and the only development needed is the feature of the front knurrled piece unscrewing.

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    I think the front piece screwing off has to be done in such a way that when it is taken off and the remaining silencer is attached to a PPK it will look like a silencer front and not a big threaded hole that obviously takes an attachment. So i think the thread in the hole has to be fine and not a thick heavy duty bolt thread.

    I think your diagram 4 would be best as this would allow a silencer exit hole on the initial - smaller silencer, and then the knurrled extention would feature the same diameter of exit hole.

    Once Tom has perfected his replica Silencer he is very kindly going to send me one specialy made to fit my vintage Walther PPK replica. It will be a very cool item to have with my connection with making the glove box stock and accessories. So i will be very happy to display my PPK on Tom's site to show how it looked on Lazenby's PPK in the publicity photos.

    Also I am sure Tom will be in demand to produce a limited run of replica silencers. It would be nice to see a little commemorative run with a plaque and display stand devoted to his Aston Martin DBS project and website. A nice little product for us all to own in our collections to commemorate and remember the car when its finished.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    with the absence of location holes for a C spanner in the end, and bearing in mind this prop wasn't 'used' on screen, and taking into account most things for film are needed yesterday, i'd say the silencer was solid, one piece and made for show only.
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  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,241Quartermasters
    Ed,

    Thanks for wanting to get it right. It's different than wanting to be right. It shows charachter. Few people have it. You've got it in spades.

    DG
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    I'm voting for Number 3, with a second front end cap with little or no knurling to produce the Lazenby/OHMSS PPK silencer AND the DAF "Q Branch Chest/B**l Shooter".

    I will reassert my opinion that the silencer is hollow. The only reason to make the tube solid would be to comply with US laws that prohibit silencers - one silly law that never took hold in the UK and Continent.

    A solid tube -even made of lightweight aluminium, would still be heavy enough to fall out of the barrel of the PPK in the DAF photo.

    The previously pictured Beretta silencer was originally made hollow with removable, pressed in endcaps. A thin brass tube connected the endcaps of the faux Beretta silencer - thus for the purpose of legal compliance making it nothing more than a "barrel extension".

    Good job Ed!
  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 541MI6 Agent
    Cheers All,
    I want to thank everyone who has contributed their time, effort, and research into helping out our OHMSSDBS silencer project.

    I will be making a run of the replica silencers, with the extended threads at the base, or back, and knurling at the front, per the current one-off replica that we had first made.

    If anyone is interested, please PM me, and I will order on for you from our wonderful machinist.

    I must also say that I am honoured to be in association with such diligent, and intelligent folks, all sharing a common Bond.

    Hope to meet in person someday, I know that I owe Mike and Leo rides in the DBS when completed.

    OHMSSDBS.com
    Tom
  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,270MI6 Agent
    edited August 2009
    At the request of Tom Mulhall, who is reconstructing the Aston Martin DBS to OHMSS Specs, I took another long-depth look at the "silencer" in the glove book in the scene from the film.

    I hate doing this... but I will admit I was wrong in my original speculations…LOL

    See…that’s what happens when you get lazy and rely on memory on what you think you saw or use reference others have provided. The ONLY way to get it right is to check and double-check your sources.

    In this case I originally only went by the photos I already had instead of going to the DVD and pausing the film as well as zooming in on the image…then lightening the photo…adjusting the contrast and finally comparing images from different sections of the film.


    The screen-seen “silencer is VERY close to the one made by Tom.

    However, I originally stated that the knurling should be moved back based on what I thought I saw in the originally posted screen capture. I was concentrating SO much on what I thought was knurling that I didn’t notice the front of the tube.

    Tom said he believed that the knurling placement was correct on the version he had made and that it should be closer to the tip.

    It was suggested that, perhaps, it was merely a shadow of the scope mount giving us the impression that there was knurling. I disputed that pointing out the direction of two different light sources.

    Well…studying it closely…here is my perception…as of today…LOL

    This first screen capture shows you that there is a REFLECTION of the scope mount on the body of the tube. NOT a shadow…but a reflection!!!

    007-OHMSS_AR-7-Silencer-01.jpg

    Notice the reflection disappears when the scope mount is removed.
    This also clearly shows ONLY the tip has knurling.

    007-OHMSS_AR-7-Silencer-02.jpg

    The following drawings show how I perceive the “silencer” was made.
    It could be any of the following…..

    1. Solid/hollow body with knurling machined on the tip
    2. Solid/hollow body with a knurled cap simply pushed into the front
    3. Hollow body with a knurled cap screwed into the front.
    4. Solid body with a knurled cap screwed into the front

    007-OHMSS_AR-7-OptionFINAL.jpg

    It could be ANY of those possibilities we see up there on the screen.

    In fact, it’s possible that this IS, as Mick suggested, the same prop we see in the publicity stills that we have so dubbed “Q-Branch Chest Shooter”

    And, as previously stated, I think that the 007 Screen Archive book features a generic tapered silencer and not the screen-used version with the front cap removed.

    So there you have it, for what it’s worth…

    Ed
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    Hi Guys,
    still can't comment if the OHMSS/DAF photoshoot silencer is or is not the glovebox prop however illustration 3 is very close in design in all aspects to the photoshoot prop.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    please don't post any pictures of your tip ed.

    i'll take your word for it that its knurled :))
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  • thespyboys11thespyboys11 Lindenwold,NJPosts: 1,844MI6 Agent
    Good thing you said that...I was JUST about to do so!!!! :)) :)) :))
    (And my wife like it that way)

    Ed
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  • thespyboys11thespyboys11 Lindenwold,NJPosts: 1,844MI6 Agent
    Take notice of the light reflecting off the “silencer” tube. IF there was a small portion at the front of the barrel, it too would be reflecting the same light in front of the knurling as it’s doing behind it.

    The top drawing is how the "silencer" appears on the screen capture.
    The bottom drawing shows how the light would reflect off the tip if it doesn't have knurling.

    So far, I haven’t seen anything to show otherwise. Saying “I’m sure it’s there” doesn’t do it for me. If it’s SO clear to you…show me WHAT makes it SO clear. What do you see that I don’t?????

    While Tom’s replica took considerable time and effort to manufacture, I’m SURE Tom wants an accurate replica based on the information we see on the screen capture and not speculation.

    Regardless of whether the tube is solid or hollow, or if the knurled portion screws or presses or is machined into the body…it doesn’t make a difference as I believe the silencer will be displayed as a whole and not in parts.

    Ed
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    007-OHMSS_AR-7-OptionFINAL-1.jpg
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,241Quartermasters
    edited August 2009
    7289 wrote:
    Yes DG, The pictured Colt is in my collection.

    It's a parts gun, made up from bits and pieces I collected over the years. The frame is a WW2 Remington, the slide a post-war Colt. I got the long (oo7) barrel about 25 years ago from the parts bin at a gunshop where I worked. Shoots well, but it's mostly a display piece. I have others I shoot more often.

    I put the piece together for my Bond collection featured in my "Handguns of the Literary James Bond" article published on this site sometime back. Here is a link:

    http://jamesbond.ajb007.co.uk/handguns-of-james-bond/


    Right now if you do buy a .45, I recommend the Colt World War One Replica. It looks alot much like the pistol pictured, and is excellent quality - and an original Colt!!!!

    After all you have the AR7!

    Yep, it seems that every several months Guns & Ammo Magazine comes out with a special issue dedicated to the 1911. The recent issue on stands now features Colt's re-issue of the "Black Army" model 01918 1911. The original Colt run of 4000 WWI era 1911 re-editions (replicas) was exhausted and since demand was so high they have reissued essentially the same gun as the "Black Army" with the late 1918 brushed black oxide finish. Apparently Colt changed from the slower carbonia finish to the faster oxide finish as a war time expedient during World War I. However the armistice was signed four months later making the "Black Army" model a short lived variant.

    On a personal level, I much prefer the cleaner lines of the Army style guns. So much so that I was contemplating the purchase of either Colt's "Black Army" model or the Sprignfield Armory's G.I. 45., with the G.I. being roughly $300.00 less than the Colt. However, I may end up going in a vastly different direction. We shall see.

    DG
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    DG,

    Sounds like your leaning in the right direction!

    Colt's are expensive, but forged here in the USA, the Springfield is cheaper - and a decent shooter, but made in Brazil!

    If you'd like to discuss options, PM me. I would like to hear your ideas on the right 1911. But don't want to divert the thread.

    Back to the discussion, I too am grateful no "knurled tip" pictures have emerged.

    Loved the cartoon, but I'd wager Lazenby would think we are all just a tad "nuts"!

    :o
  • thespyboys11thespyboys11 Lindenwold,NJPosts: 1,844MI6 Agent
    7289 wrote:
    I'd wager Lazenby would think we are all just a tad "nuts"!:o

    We Aren't??? :s :s :s :s
    Ed
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    Not me .... they let me out of the asylum twice a week for walks!

    B-)
  • scaramangasgoldengunscaramangasgoldengun ScotlandPosts: 1,388MI6 Agent
    just think if we were all committed to that asylum,

    :)) making Bond props talking about Bond and reading and writing about Bond would be the recriational and Arts & crafts time :)) :)) :))

    EON could make some good money off some nut cases :)) only thing is once they put out into the shops, things that we have produced, they wold have to let us out to buy it all back :D
  • jimmybondijimmybondi ShrublandsPosts: 328MI6 Agent
    I would like to bring this up again.
    Ed, you know why. ;)

    Have you casted the AR7 receiver yet? I would be happy to get my hands on a resin version of the receiver, as I lack Christofs amazing skills to make the receiver from scratch.



    Christof,
    That is AB-SO-LUTLY AMAZING!!!!
    I understand that real components were used but to fabricate the receiver yourself is amazing tribute to your modeling skills!!!

    I was in the process of casting an AR-7 receiver in solid resin to then offer it to the Bond fans who cannot legally own this rifle. My plan was similar to yours in that the barrel, stock and magazine would be real items that would attach to the resin receiver.

    007-FRWL_AR-7Resin.jpg



    Ed
    TheSpyBoys.com
    gez.
    Jimmybondi

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  • BogyBogy Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    I've resurrected this old thread regarding the Armalite gun and scope from FRWL because I have some interesting news to tell you regarding the scope used on the original gun. I own the actual scope in question. Here are a couple of photos of it on my gun. I searched for years and finally found it in the U.K. (I am in the U.S.).

    I am now interested in building or buying a fake suppressor for my gun. I know some members here have done a great deal of research into recreating a similar suppressor and I might be interested in buying one from someone here if they would consider putting one together for me. No threads as the original was just shoved into the end of the barrel.

    I seem to remember information from decades ago that the original was merely fashioned from wood in the prop department, but don't quote me on that as no longer have the source where I learned this. If anyone could help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

    Bogy
    AR_7_scope_full_gun.jpg

    AR_7_scope_full_gun_r_JPG.jpg
  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,270MI6 Agent
    Welcome back to AJB007 Bogy and congratulations on your unique find -{

    For clarification, is your scope the actual filming prop or the exact model originally utilised and would you be prepared to let us know the manufacturer and model number if known?

    Incidentally the original silencer was fitted with a squib therefore it was most definitely not composed of wood.

    Donk
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,241Quartermasters
    Bogy wrote:
    I've resurrected this old thread regarding the Armalite gun and scope from FRWL because I have some interesting news to tell you regarding the scope used on the original gun. I own the actual scope in question. Here are a couple of photos of it on my gun. I searched for years and finally found it in the U.K. (I am in the U.S.).

    I am now interested in building or buying a fake suppressor for my gun. I know some members here have done a great deal of research into recreating a similar suppressor and I might be interested in buying one from someone here if they would consider putting one together for me. No threads as the original was just shoved into the end of the barrel.

    I seem to remember information from decades ago that the original was merely fashioned from wood in the prop department, but don't quote me on that as no longer have the source where I learned this. If anyone could help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

    Bogy
    AR_7_scope_full_gun.jpg

    AR_7_scope_full_gun_r_JPG.jpg

    Have to say, that is one sexy AR-7!

    DG
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