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I have to admit, TMWTGG is a guilty pleasure of mine. The whole concept of Bond being hunted by a professional killer is a great one. It's just a shame the film doesn't stay with idea for long.

This film seems to be Roger's most Flemingesque portayal of Bond. He's tougher and meaner here than in any of his other films. It doesn't suit him as well as the English gentleman with a lighter touch that he usually plays, but it's nice to see him portray the character in a different manner.

Scaramanga and Nick Nack are great villains played with the right amount of menace and comedy by Christopher Lee and Herve Villecsche, respectively.

Oh dear, Bond isn't very nice to the women in this film. He slaps Andrea around a bit and locks Goodnight in a cabinet while he gets it on with Andrea. Not very PC but it seems in character with Fleming's Bond, doing whatever he had to to complete his mission, others be damned.

I don't mind J. W. Pepper here. Certainly the film didn't need him beyond the cameo during the boat chase, but he adds some humour to the film at least.

There are some great locations, with Scaramanga's island and the slanted ship standing out as unique in the series.

The title song is definitely the worst in the series, but Barry turns it into one of his best love themes. The action cue us a bit fruity, but adds to the fun of the film, while the rest of the score is great. One of my favourites.

I like the darker tone of the film in the first and third acts but wish it had been more even throughout. Some of the one liners are the series' best.

I have to say, I enjoyed the film much more than the novel, like CR.

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Theres a page with various death rumors about Bruce Lee and it claims BL was offered GG......sounds about as plausible as Presley visiting a wrestling match in Memphis  ajb007/lol

(Theres no way Cubby wouldve not talked about BL had he offered him a role , for example : "yes , we did offer him a role and Im sure he wouldve been fantastic but sadly he passed away before GG started shooting"

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PROS
-Christopher Lee, by far the topmost PRO
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-Barry's back, and this may be his most rocknroll score, there's even wahwah guitar in the main song although it drops down in the mix far too soon ... also that rat-a-tat riff that recurs throughout the film ... and the "Goodnight Goodnight" reprise at the end is much better than the men's choir at the end of the next film
-I like Maud Adams here better than in Octopussy, both her character and her acting
-Roger actually plays it straight, really he only tells jokes when in the office
-best field office for M ever (there are some very psychedelic visuals throughout this film)

-kissing the belly dancers belly
-Andrea in the shower, you know, good girl or bad girl, Bond'd get disciplined for sexual harassment if he tried that today
-Goodnight in a nightie, which leads to...
-two women in a bed: the second doesn't know about the first, the first has to keep quiet and listen ... just looking at these last four PROs, I officially declare Roger gets into the sexiest situations of any of the Bond actors

-the Golden Gun itself, that was one of the highlights at the travelling Bond exhibit I saw a few years ago
-exotic Asian locations, some of which had been covered in Fleming's Thrilling Cities! and damn those islands at the end are nice
-the cork-screw jump: I think that stunt was much much riskier than the more famous skijump that opens the next film, the timing had to be within micro-seconds
-Scaramanga has a full fledged villains HQ, the biggest since the volcano, even though he only has one minion +Nick Nack... the last act is surprisingly science fiction-y
-I don't mind Scaramanga not knowing how his solex agitator works, he's a hitman not a scientist, and he's stolen this technology from his deceased sponsor to sell to the highest bidder
-they have a duel! so unique within the series, and so different from the formulaic military showdowns that ended almost every other Bond film from this era
-Hervé Villechaize may not be the scariest henchman ever, but he did get his own longrunning TV series playing almost the identical character, so he's better than Halle Berry
-Scaramanga's yacht ... it makes more sense it be outfitted with waterbed, hi-fi, and chilled champagne than does Stromberg's escape capsule
-I'm OK with them throwing out almost all the Fleming ... the source novel was some pretty weak stuff, and in its best moments this film's plot is more imaginative ... even the one really good bit from Fleming's book (the Manchurian Candidate style opening chapter) would not have worked here without making it a completely different film. License to Kill, Die Another Day, and Skyfall would all revisit the Fleming content not used here
... there is some Fleming aside from the names Scaramanga and Goodnight: the dialog with Goodnight over dinner is for some reason almost word for word from the novel, and so is Scaramanga's reminiscence about the elephant. I wonder if they started with a more close adaptation, then just kept replacing stuff until these two bits of dialog were all they had left?

CONS
-Sherriff Pepper's back - when this film weakens, it seems to choose all the worst aspects of the previous movie and make them even worster
-by the time we get to the Enter the Dragon stuff, the plot has long since stopped making any sense ... the killing outside the Bottoms Up club seems to be where it goes off the rails logic-wise, why did Andrea send Bond there and is it not a bit of a coincidence all that goes down?
-what is the normal use of that giant laser gun? it seems much less practical than his regular golden gun, how many times is he going to have an enemy's plane parked right in front of it? what does he do if his enemy's plane is parked somewhere else? Blofeld's space laser was a more practical weapon
-how does M get the number to Scaramanga's yacht? Bond needed to find the bullet in the belly dancer's navel just to get started, why didn't they just ring up his yacht in the first place if they had his number? was M calling every 15 minutes, on the chance 007 would pick up? what if Scaramanga or Nick Nack had picked up, wouldn't that have ruined everything?

in summary I liked this one much better than I remembered, its actually much more consistent than Live and Let Die

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caractacus potts wrote:

PROS
-Christopher Lee, by far the topmost PRO
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-Barry's back, and this may be his most rocknroll score, there's even wahwah guitar in the main song although it drops down in the mix far too soon ... also that rat-a-tat riff that recurs throughout the film ... and the "Goodnight Goodnight" reprise at the end is much better than the men's choir at the end of the next film
-I like Maud Adams here better than in Octopussy, both her character and her acting
-Roger actually plays it straight, really he only tells jokes when in the office
-best field office for M ever (there are some very psychedelic visuals throughout this film)

-kissing the belly dancers belly
-Andrea in the shower, you know, good girl or bad girl, Bond'd get disciplined for sexual harassment if he tried that today
-Goodnight in a nightie, which leads to...
-two women in a bed: the second doesn't know about the first, the first has to keep quiet and listen ... just looking at these last four PROs, I officially declare Roger gets into the sexiest situations of any of the Bond actors

-the Golden Gun itself, that was one of the highlights at the travelling Bond exhibit I saw a few years ago
-exotic Asian locations, some of which had been covered in Fleming's Thrilling Cities! and damn those islands at the end are nice
-the cork-screw jump: I think that stunt was much much riskier than the more famous skijump that opens the next film, the timing had to be within micro-seconds
-Scaramanga has a full fledged villains HQ, the biggest since the volcano, even though he only has one minion +Nick Nack... the last act is surprisingly science fiction-y
-I don't mind Scaramanga not knowing how his solex agitator works, he's a hitman not a scientist, and he's stolen this technology from his deceased sponsor to sell to the highest bidder
-they have a duel! so unique within the series, and so different from the formulaic military showdowns that ended almost every other Bond film from this era
-Hervé Villechaize may not be the scariest henchman ever, but he did get his own longrunning TV series playing almost the identical character, so he's better than Halle Berry
-Scaramanga's yacht ... it makes more sense it be outfitted with waterbed, hi-fi, and chilled champagne than does Stromberg's escape capsule
-I'm OK with them throwing out almost all the Fleming ... the source novel was some pretty weak stuff, and in its best moments this film's plot is more imaginative ... even the one really good bit from Fleming's book (the Manchurian Candidate style opening chapter) would not have worked here without making it a completely different film. License to Kill, Die Another Day, and Skyfall would all revisit the Fleming content not used here
... there is some Fleming aside from the names Scaramanga and Goodnight: the dialog with Goodnight over dinner is for some reason almost word for word from the novel, and so is Scaramanga's reminiscence about the elephant. I wonder if they started with a more close adaptation, then just kept replacing stuff until these two bits of dialog were all they had left?

CONS
-Sherriff Pepper's back - when this film weakens, it seems to choose all the worst aspects of the previous movie and make them even worster
-by the time we get to the Enter the Dragon stuff, the plot has long since stopped making any sense ... the killing outside the Bottoms Up club seems to be where it goes off the rails logic-wise, why did Andrea send Bond there and is it not a bit of a coincidence all that goes down?
-what is the normal use of that giant laser gun? it seems much less practical than his regular golden gun, how many times is he going to have an enemy's plane parked right in front of it? what does he do if his enemy's plane is parked somewhere else? Blofeld's space laser was a more practical weapon
-how does M get the number to Scaramanga's yacht? Bond needed to find the bullet in the belly dancer's navel just to get started, why didn't they just ring up his yacht in the first place if they had his number? was M calling every 15 minutes, on the chance 007 would pick up? what if Scaramanga or Nick Nack had picked up, wouldn't that have ruined everything?

in summary I liked this one much better than I remembered, its actually much more consistent than Live and Let Die

You've inspired me to rewatch this one tonight. ajb007/cheers
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caractacus potts wrote:

PROS
-Christopher Lee, by far the topmost PRO

Couldn't agree more with this  ajb007/martini

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IcePak wrote:

I have to admit, TMWTGG is a guilty pleasure of mine. The whole concept of Bond being hunted by a professional killer is a great one. It's just a shame the film doesn't stay with idea for long.

True, but a Con for me is that of course Scaramanga is not really after Bond at all in the first place, so much of the film is a fool's errand, Bond being the fool, as it was Andrea who set it all up. Thus, the danger is all a bit spurious, our hero is not really in danger at all, he just thinks he is. It almost resembles early parts of OHMSS in that respect.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

True, but a Con for me is that of course Scaramanga is not really after Bond at all in the first place, so much of the film is a fool's errand, Bond being the foo

I agree....I also have the same complaint about Hitchcock's Vertigo, but that's still considered one of the greatest films of all time.

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I like the fact that many Bond films are not simple missions, but
more adventures that have the story twist in a diffrent direction  ajb007/wink

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this is true: most films begin with M giving Bond a fairly normal assignment (find out what happened to Strangways), only to midway stumble upon a more sinister plot (diverting rockets). The strange thing is Bond almost always arrives at the villains HQ at the precise moment the villain is setting his sinister plot in motion

Scaramanga at least really does want a chance to duel with Bond, he knows who he is, he's got that convenient wax dummy of Roger Moore in the middle of his funhouse (he really should have put that away when he knew the real Bond was coming for a visit)

but can anybody explain why Andrea sends Bond to the Bottoms Up Club and why Scaramanga just happens to assassinate the scientist the very moment Bond is steps away? I must have missed something in the dialog, Bond wanted to see her deliver the bullets, and she wasn't even there ... did she know Scaramanga was planning a hit there and then?

firemass wrote:

I also have the same complaint about Hitchcock's Vertigo, but that's still considered one of the greatest films of all time

I love how most of Vertigo goes by like this strange trippy dream, but for me its spell is broken by the overcomplicated "logical" explanation at the end

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To be honest , most heroes arrive at the most judicious moments  ajb007/lol
Indiana Jones, Sherlock Holmes, etc .......

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I watched Key Largo (1948) last night and who should I recognize, but the gangster from TMWTGG and DAF.  ajb007/smile

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This pre-title-sequence is unique and probably my favorite in the series.

It's the only time we actually get to the villain's main lair in a Pts!
Furthermore this sequence builds up the end-game between Bond and Scaramanga.
Once we arrive in that late point in the film, we already know how the fun-house works.
This adds greatly to the excitement.

It's exotic and filled with fantasy. The fun-house and Scaramanga's living space is highly fascinating and very well constructed.

The titles are typically Binder and as usual brilliant. Lulu's rather happy-go-lucky pop song is a welcome change to what came before. Love the lyrics too.

The M office sequence is great, love these two lines from Bernard Lee especially:

Bond: Who would pay a million dollars to have me killed?
M: Jealous husbands, outraged chefs, humiliated tailors. The list is endless.
and
Bond: If I found him first, sir, that might change the situation.
M: Dramatically, wouldn't you say?

I love how Bernard Lee delivers his lines!

Saida, Q & Lazar - three short but memorable scenes. She's charming and the fight is quite something, funny and Bond throws a punch and gets some too.
Saida: No! I've lost my charm!
Bond: Not from where "I'm" standing.
Q is funny and focused as ever and quite an expert on bullets it seems.
Lazar I like a lot, what little screen time can make for a memorable experience is quite astonishing.
Lazar: My relationship with a client, Mr Bond, is strictly confidential. Like a doctor. A priest with a penitent.
The way Marne Maitland delivers his line for Lazar is a joy to watch.

Hello Goodnight!
Oh isn't she just adorable. So lovely, so sweet and charming. Love her MG car too.

Bond: Goodnight, would I do that to you after two years?
Goodnight: Yes, you bloody well would!

I admit I can't get enough of her. Brit Ekland really is gorgeous.

Anders, the assassination and M & Q waiting on the Queen Elizabeth:
-interesting how cruel Bond treats Anders here, but then it's his life and I would do the same, no problems here.
-the street/alley sequence is really great, reminds me of a film noir.
-MI6 has offices everywhere, I mean seriously now!

Again Bernard Lee delivers some wonderful lines here. And so does Desmond: "Really, 007!"

Scaramanga is always one step ahead of Bond. Hai Fat is quite full of himself.
"Take Mr. Bond to school!"
Definitely a favorite sequence of mine, Moore is just fabulous.

Bond in another major speed-boat sequence.
And the incomparable J.W Pepper, the Democrat: "Get your cotton-picking schnoz out of my pants."

Hai Fat's demise. He was just too full of himself, but really. Love how Scaramanga builds his gun. Lee really delivers a high quality performance in this film.

Goodnight has the keys, and the solex too!  ha ha ha....and gets captured and she's flying to Scaramanga's island....

...but first it's J.W. Pepper again...you gotta love this guy!
"Let me talk to 'em. Hello. This is Sheriff J.W. Pepper, Louisiana State Police... and tell her I'm on a mission. I've been deputised. Right?"

"You're not thinking of...?" - and just when you think you've seen it all EoN proves you wrong and delivers yet another death defying stunt!!

Bond flying to the island is wonderful cinematography.

I love how seemingly civilized and well-cultured Scaramanga is, he is full of s**t though as Bond so nicely puts in another great villain/Bond dining sequence.

...the duel... opens an exciting and unique end-game between Bond and the villain.
Goodnight meanwhile in her bikini. A sight for sore eyes. Can't ever get enough of that.

The film ends more or less how it started. Someone gets tricked and shot in the fun-house. It's a clever piece of writing and I love Lee's facial expression when he realized he has been defeated. Probably hurting him more than knowing he'll die.

NickNack starts to grow on me, ha ha!
He is just perfect for Scaramanga and his French accent adds to the fun.
How he ends up is..... "Oh, James, you didn't!"

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I just didn’t enjoy this movie all that much. It is by far my least favourite Roger Moore bond film, and it sucks that everyone hates on A View To A Kill because that one in my opinion had a great plot, wasn’t over the top like this movie and wasn’t boring or fell flat half way through. I’d actually take AVTAK over the rest of the Moore era except for TSWLM and FYEO.

This one starts great with the pre credits sequence, bond getting his mission assigned, the flirting with Moneypenny and a decent first half up until he gets thrown into the karate school. It didn’t really recover after that, not being compelling and isn’t executed well. It’s also quite boring, silly, and has no real reward in the climax. Moore’s performance also comes off as a bit of a jerk, Mary Goodnight is also the worst Bond girl of the series and the title song is terrible. It was disappointing that Scaramanga wasn’t used to his full potential. Also didn’t like Sheriff Pepper returning and all the corny jokes. The less said about this one the better, and it’s just as bad as Diamonds Are Forever and nearly as bad as DAD and QOS.

Oh yeah and as dutchbondfan pointed out “hip is a moron”

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I love TMWTGG for most of the reasons that andi gave above.

The true reason, why it still ranks so high in my list is the pure eyecandiness of the locations and Mary Goodnight that make me easily forgive all the little flaws.

TMWTGG benefits massively from the remastering to HD, too

And I am a fan of JW Pepper....

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Andi1996 wrote:

"You're not thinking of...?" - and just when you think you've seen it all EoN proves you wrong and delivers yet another death defying stunt!!

Bond flying to the island is wonderful cinematography.

Andi, I really enjoy reading your reviews and can tell how much you are enjoying the films.  ajb007/martini  ajb007/smile

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Higgins wrote:

I love TMWTGG for most of the reasons that andi gave above.

The true reason, why it still ranks so high in my list is the pure eyecandiness of the locations and Mary Goodnight that make me easily forgive all the little flaws.

TMWTGG benefits massively from the remastering to HD, too

And I am a fan of JW Pepper....


You were not kidding about the remastering job... Wow it is a stunningly beautiful film.

This is a clear leap forward from DAF and LALD in terms of cinematography. I'd say it's even on par with Moonraker.


I've watched TMWTGG twice in the past couple months and it has skyrocketed up the charts on my personal ranking.


Pros:

- Roger looks his best here and delivers a great hard edged, mean spirited and witty performance as 007. 

- Every character in every minor role absolutely kills it. From Lazaar's family to 20,000 baht to Oh a Surprise, everyone feels authentic and delivers an inspired performance.

- So many classic scenes and villains, I simply cannot imagine the Bond series existing without this film.

- Locations are gorgeous and interesting. I feel like I am there.

- No big battle scene at the end, unlike many other films that came before and after: GF, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, DAF, TSWLM, and MR



Cons:

- Bond is too knowledgeable

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When seeing TMWTGG in the cinema in 1974, I appreciated how John Barry brought his distinctive 'Bond sound' to the movie. Incredible though it may seem, I remember complaining the year before at the age of *nine* - to friends in the school playground - that the music in LALD hadn't sounded 'the same' (as in DAF - and as in GF and TB which I'd recently seen in double bills in the cinema). I was already a Barry fan and could tell the difference between his work and George Martin's.

Today I recognise that the main title song of TMWTGG is rather confused (as though Barry must have thought that it was somehow necessary after LALD to introduce a jarring funk-rock guitar to the mix) and that the relatively rushed composition of the incidental score does occasionally wane; but I do love the romantic instrumental of the main theme, the section of Thai stylings in 'Hip's Trip' and the rag-time riff on the main theme as included on the soundtrack album. As someone mentioned previously in this thread, the TMWTGG score is significant, too, for introducing the symphonic arrangement of The James Bond Theme to which Barry returned in all of his remaining Bond films. Also, 'Scaramanga's Fun House' stands up not just as a suspenseful, eerie Bond piece but possibly as a taste of what it might have been like had Barry scored for Christopher Lee as Dracula himself in Hammer horror...

As a young boy, it was a big deal to see Christopher Lee in the cinema playing a villain almost as spooky as Dracula. Dracula himself was an X-rated taboo for a boy of my age, and all the more beguiling for that; I recall having been scared and thrilled a couple of years earlier by a billboard poster for 'Scars Of Dracula', a trailer for 'Scars' that I'd seen in the cinema, and a creepy clip from the same movie broadcast on children's magazine programme 'Magpie' (because its presenter Jenny Hanley had starred in 'Scars'). So seeing Lee play a Dracula type in a Bond movie was about the best thing imaginable to me at the time.

By TMWTGG, Christopher Lee had wound up his stint as Hammer's Dracula, but it's interesting to note certain parallels between scenes in 1973's 'The Satanic Rites of Dracula' and DAF (i.e. Bond confronting Blofeld posing as Willard Whyte in The Whyte House / Van Helsing confronting the Count posing as D. D. Denham in his tower-block office), or to pick out Michael Vickers' use of Barry-esque 'Bond sound' elements in his score for 'Dracula AD 1972'.

I do have a problem with how the character of Nick Nack is represented in TMWTGG. The way in which Herve Villechaize's midget identity is 'othered' as comic / weird in the film is insensitive; how he's costumed like a mini Oddjob, and how Barry's score for his skirmish with Bond aboard Scaramanga's yacht references the circus freak shows of a previous age. Sad to say, Nick Nack's representation belongs in the same tradition as Tod Browning's 'Freaks' (1932). One wonders how repeated casting as characters of this type might have affected Herve Villechaize's mental health over time or that of other actors with dwarfism. Add to this J. W. Pepper's racist jibes at the expense of Thais, and TMWTGG starts to feel as 'wrong' as some of the worst British situation comedies of the time, making comic capital out of ethnic difference.

Possibly because it mesmerised me at the age of ten, I have an abiding fondness for TMWTGG despite its issues and limitations. I saw it on the big screen again in a faded original print at London's BFI Southbank a few years ago, and I look forward to enjoying it later this year when it's screened at The Prince Charles Cinema, hopefully in a restored version. For some reason that I can't remember, my mother wouldn't let me go and see it in a double bill with LALD, in 1975 or 1976 (I think I may have been 'grounded' at the time!): I keep promising myself that double bill on bluray at home and will probably treat myself to it soon!

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I feel like we have a case of presentism here. TMWTGG is delightfully dated and "wrong" by today's standards. It's so obvious, there's no point sitting in your own living being all offended by it.   

Seeing Roger slap Maud around or push that little kid in the river is so against the grain of his Bond, it puts a sadistic grin on my face.
I love it! (Full knowing it's wrong)

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Firemass wrote:

I feel like we have a case of presentism here. TMWTGG is delightfully dated and "wrong" by today's standards. It's so obvious, there's no point sitting in your own living being all offended by it.   

Seeing Roger slap Maud around or push that little kid in the river is so against the grain of his Bond, it puts a sadistic grin on my face.
I love it! (Full knowing it's wrong)

I enjoy Bond aesthetically but the 'wrongness' of aspects of representation in some of the films creates for me a sense of remoteness, a distance from the films, meaning that my original experience of uncritical immersive engagement is no longer available. If I belonged to one of the groups 'othered' by the content I probably would have been offended even then, let alone now.

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I set myself up yesterday evening for that 'home entertainment' viewing of LALD back-to-back with TMWTGG that I'd promised myself, having missed the double bill screening in the cinema as a kid. LALD is the breezier of the two films by far, with zippier action sequences, an entertaining range of henchmen and Roger Moore acting as Bond as well as he ever did.

By the way, LALD would also make for an interesting double bill with LTK. Both films deal with drugs crime, and both use the 'same' Leiter (David Hedison) but in very different ways: Hedison's Leiter shares scenes with J W Pepper and Franz Sanchez, two characters who couldn't be further apart in terms of the style and tone of Bond films they represent.

Meanwhile, LALD and TMWTGG do sit closely next to each other as neighbouring Bonds, with some fine detail of similarity (such as the farcical business of hiding Miss Caruso and Mary Goodnight in bedroom cupboards) to more substantial similarities of strategy (appropriating popular contemporary cinema genres to the Bond formula: blaxploitation and kung fu both reflected cultural aspects of identity politics in ways which weren't quite as true, later on, of the Star Wars vogue assimilated to MR. Adam of LALD and Chula of TMWTGG each appears interestingly identity-conscious, proudly performing their masculinity/ethnicity against Moore's "honky"/farang Bond.)

Regarding the casting of Christopher Lee as Scaramanga, I commented, before, on parallels between early 70s Bond and scenes in latter day Hammer Dracula. I'd forgotten to mention that in 'The Satanic Rites of Dracula' (1973) Lee gets some very 'Bond villain' lines. Posing as a wealthy industrialist, the Count tells his nemesis Van Helsing, in a thick, 'foreign' (Professor Doctor Metz-style) accent, that "I've been expecting you" (anticipating Stromberg's famous line in TSWLM) and, "You are an interfering man, Professor..."

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Re: Pros and Cons: The Man with the Golden Gun

I enjoy Shady Tree's posts on this film, and of course the whole 'professor pretending to work for Dracula but actually looking to expose him' plot seems to be the basis for Bond as Sir Hilary Bray in Fleming's OHMSS. The film didn't quite exploit this Hammer horror vibe, as it is remarkably un-eerie and Blofeld is played by an American.
Both TSWLM and MR has its horror tropes, however.

As for Golden Gun, it's not one of my faves and imo was generally the worst until others like NSNA came along.
For all that, I can see where S Tree is coming from. Because if you were a kid in the early 1970s, this would have been a great movie. I mean, what other films came out that year? That you would actually enjoy.
Just to see a big widescreen Bond film in glorious colour would have been three steps up from a miserable Sat eve viewing in front of a 21-in black and white telly.
Plus, it wouldn't have been homework, that makes it even better. Homework, which might some days fly by if you were on top of your game, would also represent an hour plus of humiliating futility.
Instead, you get two hours or more including ads and trailers and supporting feature in a dark cinema with an ice cream!
Moore looking still young, and if you were old enough to appreciate it, the erotic delights of Chew-Me and Maud Adams in the shower.
Again, all in lush and sumptuous colour!

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017