A Fictional 3rd Dalton film in 1991

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  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Oh dear God!! X-(
    What took you so long Higgy :)) -{
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    the name is HIGGINS! X-(
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  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    the name is HIGGINS! X-(
    From one PI fan to another, my apologies.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Remington wrote:
    According to Some Kind of Hero, there was a full screenplay written by MGW, Alphonse ruggiero jr, William Osborne, and William Davies.

    It was to be set in England, Las Vegas, Vancouver, mainland China, and Hong Kong. There were elements of GoldenEye in it. The PTS shows Bond hang gliding and infiltrating a facility in Libya.

    It also featured a stealth fighter, called the Scimitar, developed by the British and worth billions in arms sales to the economy. It is stolen while on exercise with the US Navy. Bond is sent to track it down. It is to be used to launch an undetectable nuclear attack on China, causing regime change, allowing General Han to take over. Han will then grant Hong Kong to Sir Henry Lee Ching.

    On a side note, Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged.

    There are other elements from the Bond 17 draft. Thats about all of GE that was used. Of course, i cant be certain.

    So until the film was delayed, China was undoubtedly going to be the setting.

    As much as I love GE, this film, apart from some of the robo ****, sounds pretty good. -{

    Sounds like this had the potential to be a very good film. Pity it was never filmed.

    I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

    It doesn't sound awfully at all. Shame it was never made.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Sounds like this had the potential to be a very good film. Pity it was never filmed.

    I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

    It doesn't sound awfully at all. Shame it was never made.

    Reusing Las Vegas and "Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged" are terrible ideas.
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  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

    It doesn't sound awfully at all. Shame it was never made.

    Reusing Las Vegas and "Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged" are terrible ideas.
    Vegas would have played a VERY small role. In the book it says the Kohoni Brothers were replaced by Vegas gangsters, the Vinelli Brothers. I dont know why they didn't just use the Spang Bros.

    "Set pieces include a monster truck chase, literally, through the streets of Las Vegas, a fight with female body builders, a white water rafting seduction sequence, a fight on a rodeo, a raid on a secret arms depot inside the Hoover Dam, a car chase between Bond's classic gadget laden Aston Martin DB5 and the villains similarly equipped vehicle, and a full scale assault on a weaponised building. Bond meets a range of interesting characters including a gay assistant called Jennings, a mysterious, Boba Fett-esque henchperson named Rodin, and an old school avuncular Hong Kong agent called Denholm Crisp."

    So a bit of a mixed bag. It takes some of my favorite elements from the Bond 17 treatment. These include Hong Kong, Sir Henry, ski scenes, a slightly larger role for Q, and the sequence where Rodin liquidates the Kohoni Bros.
    I aint too sure about the rodeo and bodybuilders. Thats a little too DAF.

    Personally i would've proffered a more grounded version of the Bond 17 treatment without the robo ****. With the right director, Im thinking John McTiernan, it mightve been Daltons YOLT or TSWLM.

    Does sound like it goes into self parody a bit.

    Still I wouldn't have wanted it if we lost GE in the process. -{
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  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
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    The script was sold. There were 6 pages revealed.
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  • philpogphilpog Posts: 51MI6 Agent
    But no one has yet mentioned that Matthew Field and Ajay Chowdhury loved the script, writing that it "would have made a terrific film for Timothy Dalton" and "secured Dalton's tenure as Bond and perfectly positioned 007 in the post-Cold War age."

    I think the script sounds like a lot of fun, and since I never liked GOLDENEYE (or Brosnan) I would have been happy if the Davies/Osbourne project took its place.
  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    philpog wrote:
    But no one has yet mentioned that Matthew Field and Ajay Chowdhury loved the script, writing that it "would have made a terrific film for Timothy Dalton" and "secured Dalton's tenure as Bond and perfectly positioned 007 in the post-Cold War age."

    I think the script sounds like a lot of fun, and since I never liked GOLDENEYE (or Brosnan) I would have been happy if the Davies/Osbourne project took its place.
    You're correct my friend. I'd really love to read the whole script. Even though i love LTK, a more fun movie would've been welcome.
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  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 410MI6 Agent
    I don't have any idea, nor do I want to guess what the plot would have been for The Property Of A Lady. The fact is, I strongly believe that had it been made and released, it would have been the Skyfall of the Timothy Dalton era, to the point where almost everyone is in favour of the movie. I am also quite sure people's opinions about Dalton would have been much higher had he had a third performance.
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TLD 6. TSWLM 7. GF 8. AVTAK 9. MR 10. DN 11. SF 12. LALD 13. TB 14. OP 15. CR 16. GE 17. YOLT 18. TMWTGG 19. SP 20. TND 21. TWINE 22. QOS 23. NTTD 24. DAF 25. DAD 26. NSNA 27. CR '67

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Imo quite the opposite.

    The fact, that he only did 2 movies, which did not go well with large parts of the audience contributes to Dalton's favour now that that era is over for decades.

    If he really did one or 2 movies more, the negative impact of his lack of popularity would have remained stronger. He just benefits from a kind of James Dean Effect and that only among a small group of diehards.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

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  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 410MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Imo quite the opposite.

    The fact, that he only did 2 movies, which did not go well with large parts of the audience contributes to Dalton's favour now that that era is over for decades.

    If he really did one or 2 movies more, the negative impact of his lack of popularity would have remained stronger. He just benefits from a kind of James Dean Effect and that only among a small group of diehards.

    Hmm, I respectfully disagree. Timothy Dalton's two films were received well to some, with the latter being disappointing to the eyes of many. However, with Daniel Craig, Casino Royale is so high on the rankings of the majority, but Quantum Of Solace in my eyes is worse than The Living Daylights and Licence To Kill put together, that I personally can't help but think that Dalton only could have gone up, even a little.
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TLD 6. TSWLM 7. GF 8. AVTAK 9. MR 10. DN 11. SF 12. LALD 13. TB 14. OP 15. CR 16. GE 17. YOLT 18. TMWTGG 19. SP 20. TND 21. TWINE 22. QOS 23. NTTD 24. DAF 25. DAD 26. NSNA 27. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited May 2017
    Your theory has two weak points:

    1. Dalton's approval was also bad for TLD.
    Not as disastrous as LTK (in which he meant to be more down to earth and more hard-edged btw) but far from the expectations in him as a new Bond.

    I can understand that people welcome a contrast to the more light-hearted Moore flicks, but that does not necessarily mean a better movie per se ;)

    2. The criticism about QoS was hardly about the main actor's performance or the acceptance of him with the audience.
    People massively complained about the cutting and editing - and in my opinion rightly so

    .....and I don't even want to think about the title song 8-)
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 410MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Your theory has two weak points:

    1. Dalton's approval was also bad for TLD.
    Not as disastrous as LTK (in which he meant to be more down to earth and more hard-edged btw) but far from the expectations in him as a new Bond.

    I can understand that people welcome a contrast to the more light-hearted Moore flicks, but that does not necessarily mean a better movie per se ;)

    2. The criticism about QoS was hardly about the main actor's performance or the acceptance of him with the audience.
    People massively complained about the cutting and editing - and in my opinion rightly so

    .....and I don't even want to think about the title song 8-)

    Just forget it then. I was clearly wrong, and Timothy Dalton's Bond films received negative reviews from critics and fans.
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TLD 6. TSWLM 7. GF 8. AVTAK 9. MR 10. DN 11. SF 12. LALD 13. TB 14. OP 15. CR 16. GE 17. YOLT 18. TMWTGG 19. SP 20. TND 21. TWINE 22. QOS 23. NTTD 24. DAF 25. DAD 26. NSNA 27. CR '67

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Dalton was a fantastic Bond and gave us two great films, LTK being one of my all time favorites. -{
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Dalton was a fantastic Bond and gave us two great films, LTK being one of my all time favorites. -{


    What he said :007)
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    Number24 wrote:
    Dalton was a fantastic Bond and gave us two great films, LTK being one of my all time favorites. -{


    What he said :007)

    What he said :007)
  • karr007karr007 Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    Hello everyone
    Can anyone transcribe everything that is said about "Bond 17" in the books "The Making of the Living Daylights" and "The James Bond Archives"?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    Hello karr007, and welcome to AJB.

    Please have a look at https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/45180/introduction-how-to-use-the-forum/
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    What is lacking with this treatment is any kind of personal angle, and while the Bond takes it personally thing has been overdone, I can't see how this story is anything new, despite the tarted up locations. Basically it's the old hardware got hijacked or nicked, Bond tracks it down ruse. Sounds more like another Kevin McClory treatment for a Warhead remake, and we don't have a villain mentioned do we?

    Having seen Brosnan in the late 80s Fourth Protocol I had a pang of nostalgia for a good old traditional Bond film with him in it around that time, but that never really came about, not even when he took up the role.
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  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    karr007 wrote:
    Hello everyone
    Can anyone transcribe everything that is said about "Bond 17" in the books "The Making of the Living Daylights" and "The James Bond Archives"?
    Look up Bond 17 on MI6 HQ. Pretty good summary.
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  • karr007karr007 Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    I hope someday we can read the script that William Davies and William Osborne wrote in January 1991
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