Irma Bunt's trap for Bond in bedroom scene?

Andy007Andy007 Posts: 100MI6 Agent
edited October 2017 in The James Bond Films
When you look at this scene, I wonder why Bunt needed to be in the bedroom at all, let alone the bed? we hear Ruby giggling in bed, and later the man knocks Bond out so he's hiding in there already. What did Irma set out to achieve by being in there herself? she presumably set the trap up so why not leave the man & Ruby to carry it out? As soon as the man sees Hilary Bray get into bed with Ruby, his orders are to knock him out..Why is Irma even there? was it just for shock factor to catch Bond by surprise, probably but even so it's a bit unnecessary. However it's a good scene and certainly gives you a fright the first time you see it! which is what they wanted I guess.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'm guessing they were trying to make an entertaining film, and hoping people wouldn't be so anal over
    Every single little aspect of the film. :D Horror films use " Jump cuts" all the time.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Bunt wanted the satisfaction of seeing the look on Bond's face when he saw her.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    She was hoping to join in :))
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    Scared the crap out of me, when i watched the film for the very first time! :)) i have a feeling that was John Glen's idea, seeing as he was in the editing room for the film. Quite a few Bond films have jumpscares like that to catch first time viewers off guard.
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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Presumably it's there first and foremost to shock the audience (it worked on me!). It also provides a shock to Bond, who forgets his Bray voice when he says, "Fancy meeting you here, Fraulein!"

    What I've always wondered is where Ruby was when she was giggling -- in bed next to Bunt? :s
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Ruby was not 'in on it' - don't forget she'd already spent a night with 007 :007) so Irma would have had to replace her, and the shape of a woman (even one like Irma!) would not have been as obvious as a henchman.
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  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    Maybe Ruby's giggling could be the movie's way of showcasing Bond's thoughts.
    Like the flashbacks he had to Q when he was explaining the dart gun in Moonraker.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,907MI6 Agent
    if Bond can talk with Hillary Brays voice for half the film, why cant Irma Bunt giggle in Ruby's voice for this one scene?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Could be Irma had a natural girlish giggle :))
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Or a recording since we know Blofeld uses tape recorders to play his hypnotic gibberish.

    Bunt needs to catch Bond "red handed." Bond's merely entering the room might not be enough, but his pulling back the sheets to bed one of the patients would be, especially as he is talking to Ruby while doing it.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think Irma's giggling was what attracted Blofeld to her in the
    First place. As their love story unfolded. Could be why he hates
    Bond. As Bond has shared a bed with her.
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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Bond's merely entering the room might not be enough, but his pulling back the sheets to bed one of the patients would be, especially as he is talking to Ruby while doing it.
    Not just talking to her -- calling Bunt an "old cow". Maybe that's really what pissed Bunt off! :))
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,651MI6 Agent
    She liked the idea of the rare opportunity...of being at the bunt end of an erection!
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  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,965MI6 Agent
    The film-makers don't want us to dwell on this sort of question, since the genre doesn't require plausibility to the nth degree. Enough that it's an entertaining moment, signifying the disorienting physical monstrosity of Bunt contrasted with the fashionable beauty of Bond's girl admirers.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,907MI6 Agent
    ok this has been bugging me. Bond returns to Ruby's room for a second round (I think he still had 10 Angels of Death to go, so Ruby must have been pretty good). Instead he finds Irma Bunt ... and basically blows his cool, gets himself captured, locked up in that machine room, and has to cut his mission short and escape down that mountain. This is his whole problem, it's where the mission goes wrong.

    But he's James Bond, its not the first time he's encountered a bad girl in his bed, what happens here?
    I say Bond has look-ist prejudices, He's a body-type snob, and for this he risks his whole mission. He finds Irma in bed, he should have just slept with Irma. He was preparing for a night of nocturnal exercise anyway.
    Miss Taro's a bad girl, he sleeps with her. As far's he knows Tatiana's a bad girl (and I think she was still loyal to her own mission right up til she actually spent a night with Bond). Pussy Galore as we all know was both won over to the side of good but also converted from lesbianism by Bonds shagadelic superpowers. He tries the same trick on Fiona, but she stays bad. But he does give it a try. Same with Helga. That's his superpower, he always gives it a try.
    Then he encounters one more bad girl in bed, and because she's not conventionally attractive in the narrowly defined sense all the others were, he abandons his whole mission and has to escape down that mountain? Come on Bond, you yourself say what you do is for King and Country.

    Compare with Felicity Shagwell, when she slept with Fat Bastard, I think to plant a homing device somewhere on his person. Now there is a secret agent devoted to her mission. Bond is only devoted as long as the woman in his bed looks like a fashion model, otherwise that's too much like work and he splits.
    I bet Irma was just waiting to hear heavenly choirs sing, so she could repent, and turn to the side of right and virtue, and then Bond would have saved the world almost an hour earlier and Tracy would still be alive.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    ok this has been bugging me. Bond returns to Ruby's room for a second round (I think he still had 10 Angels of Death to go, so Ruby must have been pretty good). Instead he finds Irma Bunt ... and basically blows his cool, gets himself captured, locked up in that machine room, and has to cut his mission short and escape down that mountain. This is his whole problem, it's where the mission goes wrong.

    But he's James Bond, its not the first time he's encountered a bad girl in his bed, what happens here?
    I say Bond has look-ist prejudices, He's a body-type snob, and for this he risks his whole mission. He finds Irma in bed, he should have just slept with Irma. He was preparing for a night of nocturnal exercise anyway.
    Miss Taro's a bad girl, he sleeps with her. As far's he knows Tatiana's a bad girl (and I think she was still loyal to her own mission right up til she actually spent a night with Bond). Pussy Galore as we all know was both won over to the side of good but also converted from lesbianism by Bonds shagadelic superpowers. He tries the same trick on Fiona, but she stays bad. But he does give it a try. Same with Helga. That's his superpower, he always gives it a try.
    Then he encounters one more bad girl in bed, and because she's not conventionally attractive in the narrowly defined sense all the others were, he abandons his whole mission and has to escape down that mountain? Come on Bond, you yourself say what you do is for King and Country.

    Compare with Felicity Shagwell, when she slept with Fat Bastard, I think to plant a homing device somewhere on his person. Now there is a secret agent devoted to her mission. Bond is only devoted as long as the woman in his bed looks like a fashion model, otherwise that's too much like work and he splits.
    I bet Irma was just waiting to hear heavenly choirs sing, so she could repent, and turn to the side of right and virtue, and then Bond would have saved the world almost an hour earlier and Tracy would still be alive.

    How can Bond sleep with Bunt when Grunther knocks him out? Bond has no opportunity to seduce Bunt, or he probably would have.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,644MI6 Agent
    Scared the crap out of me, when i watched the film for the very first time! :)) i have a feeling that was John Glen's idea, seeing as he was in the editing room for the film. Quite a few Bond films have jumpscares like that to catch first time viewers off guard.

    Yes, a very good point indeed, hehadlotsofguts. John Glen of course later made jumpscares like pigeons (and a cat) a recurring motif of his five Bond films of the 1980s.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Bunt was in there to trap Bond, I'm pretty sure that she would have been able to resist his charm not matter how, umm, impressive it was.
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  • Wint and Kidd far-outWint and Kidd far-out AustraliaPosts: 109MI6 Agent
    Bunt was in there to trap Bond, I'm pretty sure that she would have been able to resist his charm not matter how, umm, impressive it was.

    That's exactly the way I see it. She was not in the least bit interested in Bond's seducing charms. The man who struck Bond was all part of the plan.

    Besides I never even saw Bunt as the type of woman to have a bed scene with 007. She just didn't look the part. Unlike other bad Bond girls such as May Day.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    She was coming on to Bond from the start, squeezing in beside him on the sledge. Then asking him to
    Pull his pipe out ! An obvious innuendo :D
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    Ah, that's what she said! I heard Sir Hilly's reply 'you mean put it out - I hope' before getting in the chopper but never caught her comment despite multiple viewings.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    She said “put out”. Bond corrected her with “knock out”.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,907MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    How can Bond sleep with Bunt when Grunther knocks him out? Bond has no opportunity to seduce Bunt, or he probably would have.
    it has already been established Bond can look into a woman's eyes and see the reflection of a man sneaking up behind him! but in this case Bond was too busy saying "eww" and "yuk" to stare into Irma's eyes, so he got K.O.'d.
    ...I never even saw Bunt as the type of woman to have a bed scene with 007. She just didn't look the part. Unlike other bad Bond girls such as May Day.
    I find Grace Jones compellingly attractive, but she is the furthest from the rather conventional range of feminine types Bond is seen to sleep with. There are actually other actresses in the series I find less attractive, in my shallow way, but I shall be polite enough not to single them out. But Grace Jones actually is a fashion model!
    The real eww and yuk factor with the Jones/Moore love scene is she makes him look so very old and wrinkly in comparison to her own sleek bod, and then she wrestles him down to the bottom position! I don't think he got a chance to show off his rapidly diminishing shagadelic superpowers that night.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    She said “put out”. Bond corrected her with “knock out”.

    ?:) So was that a joke or not? I'm confused.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
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    Well, we wouldn't want that, would we?
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    :D Well, it's all a matter of perspective.

    (Any more and we'd be playing the quote game!)
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    She said “put out”. Bond corrected her with “knock out”.

    ?:) So was that a joke or not? I'm confused.

    No not at all.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    I mean, is it a joke in the film? Is it an innuendo or not?
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    I mean, is it a joke in the film? Is it an innuendo or not?

    No, it’s not meant as a joke or innuendo. He’s just correcting her on the right phrase for putting out his pipe before boarding the helo. In a school masterly way in fitting with the character of Sir Hilary.
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