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  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,270MI6 Agent
    Shame they can't suppress the 40mm M203 grenade launcher on said ensemble which would definitely give away their location! :D
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,581MI6 Agent
    edited April 2018
    Never wore ear defence on Ops you would not hear anything :D
    I said you would not hear anything - oh you heard me :))

    That said deaf as a post these days if you were to ask my wife! ( been maried 20+ years so learnt to act dumb by now).

    I guess silencer makes some sense in training to protect what you have hearing wise and silencer has tactical uses in the field for silently (ish) neutralising your en though I am sure they impact accuracy.

    Other than that its a lump of extra weight on the end of your already weighty rifle - each to his own

    Having said they with the HMG and GMG you want the en to hear them coming so they can mess their pants in anticipation of their arrival - bit like the 50 cal Browning when you here that open up you know a bad day is coming your way! Bit like seeing the fast air fly over head you know they have already dropped s0 time to kiss your arrse goodbye :))

    Cheers :D
    My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    Slightly off topic, but the battalion training in Norway experienced that the US military winter equipment isn't very good. Probably an effect of all the time spent in the dessert in the time after the cold war. There will probably be moreinvestments in winter gear and training in the coming years.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Just get soldiers from Newcastle. All they need is
    A T shirt, even in winter. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,581MI6 Agent
    edited April 2018
    Just get soldiers from Newcastle. All they need is
    A T shirt, even in winter. ;)
    Yeah even the chicks in the Toon wear practically nothing on a night out, have armour plated skin and acquire their own targets! Seen many a happless chap drunk as a skunk carried home by a local lass after a night on the tiles :D (muttering you are my puppy dog now)

    Cheers :007)
    My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 977MI6 Agent
    Bond44 wrote:
    Just get soldiers from Newcastle. All they need is
    A T shirt, even in winter. ;)
    Yeah even the chicks in the Toon wear practically nothing on a night out, have armour plated skin and acquire their own targets! Seen many a happless chap drunk as a skunk carried home but a local lass after a night on the tiles :D

    Cheers :007)

    Slightly, only slightly off topic.... or not, I did spy some tattooed Newcastle "guns" in the mix!

    :)) :)) :)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7jvsgStYC0
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    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    :)) :))
    ppw3o6r wrote:
    Shame they can't suppress the 40mm M203 grenade launcher on said ensemble which would definitely give away their location! :D
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    https://youtu.be/TrdLpbflXyQ
    I found this interesting, can a pillow act as a silencer, as in
    Many old films ? .......... Quick answer um ... Sort of :D
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you? :v
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you? :v

    Im no expert but "silencer" is not a real description, it is a "suppressor". You also have flash eliminator on the exit end of a rifle.

    So yes silencer is made up as it does not silence the weapon, it suppresses the noise :) -{
  • IanFryerIanFryer Posts: 327MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you? :v

    I wonder if that is a relatively recent preference. I've recently read the correspondence between Ian Fleming and Geoffrey Boothroyd, both of whom happily use the term 'silencer', but that was some 60 years ago!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'm very "Street" and the word on the street is silencer. So I'm not
    Giving up my street cred for anyone. ;) I shall still wear my jeans halfway down my arse, and will stand no truck with anyone
    " dissing" Me ! :p
    John Gardner also had Bond saying similar things in his novels.
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  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,270MI6 Agent
    Actually we use the term "can" :p
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) {[]
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    It just occured to me.... is it possible I might have upset gun experts without even saying 'gun silencer"?
    You know, by saying other, political things about guns? :o :o :o
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    https://youtu.be/TFhIXPZwdJ0
    Thought his was interesting silcencer v suppressor
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  • Ammo08Ammo08 Missouri, USAPosts: 386MI6 Agent
    That was an interesting YouTube video on using a pillow as a suppressor....

    Someone earlier mentioned the Winchester lever action rifles...one of my first guns was a Winchester 94 in 30-30 that I bought with earnings from my sawmill job...I think I was 14 or 15. I had always hunted deer with a shotgun and I really wanted a rifle..

    I was stationed in Wyoming in the early 70s and I remember being at the base rifle range one day when the Wyoming State Police were training. They carried Winchester 94s in their cars...they were doing some training where they would shoot one or two rounds, and while moving forward they would top off their rifle..that side loading gate is handy.

    The 30-30 round is very potent...

    I often carry my Winchester when I'm on my farm...it's light, accurate and reliable...can't beat that.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    If Hinx returns (and I hope he does) the Gilboa Snake assault rifle will be perfect for him:


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    Or perhaps Hinx prefers shotguns?

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I wonder with all these double barrels .... is Hinx trying to compensate for something ? :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    Yes, most people only need to shoot one ball at the time. One ball ........ is Hinx the target of a Hitler joke? :))
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    This is a modernized Version of the SOE pistol Welrod - probably the most quiet gun in the world in WWII.
    The new Welrod (B&T VP9) would be perfect for an assassin in a Bond movie, but not James Bond IMO.


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    Article:
    https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/pistols/B&T-VP9-9mm-single-shot-repeater-silenced-pistol/


    The WWII Welrod pistol:

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    I have seen some documentaries about special forces/agent training in WWII. Sometimes they fire pistols while squatting, like this:


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    Is this a practical technique, or is it silly?
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 977MI6 Agent
    At this years pistol/rifle CQB refresher we did almost that. The scenario was that you are pretty close up with the threat and you get your "OH S1HT!" -moment, either run out or get a jam... It's better to drop down (we went on our knee/knees) to load/clear, and continue to fire in an upward angle, than to stay upright as a perfect target.

    Then again, the several '40s and '50s manuals I have, show quite different technique from what we know today, included the above one. I have sometimes wondered if the instructors really knew what they were talking about...
    Case in point:
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    "I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,270MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I have seen some documentaries about special forces/agent training in WWII. Sometimes they fire pistols while squatting, like this:


    pistol_38_waang_195x_800.jpg


    Is this a practical technique, or is it silly?

    Practical on skis perhaps :D

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Or if attacked by dwarf zombies ? ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    0073 wrote:
    At this years pistol/rifle CQB refresher we did almost that. The scenario was that you are pretty close up with the threat and you get your "OH S1HT!" -moment, either run out or get a jam... It's better to drop down (we went on our knee/knees) to load/clear, and continue to fire in an upward angle, than to stay upright as a perfect target.

    Then again, the several '40s and '50s manuals I have, show quite different technique from what we know today, included the above one. I have sometimes wondered if the instructors really knew what they were talking about...
    Case in point:
    Rex-Applegate-Devel-2.jpg

    Some of the shooting styles in WWII do look strange today. I remember the SOE agent Max Manus wrote that some of the recruits who had shooting experience from before the war questioned some of what the pistol instructors said. One instructor was of the opinion that the arm should be bent when firing a pistol ?:)
    The more experienced shooters had a shooting competition against the instructor and won.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    edited November 2018
    Not a question this time. I'm watching QI episodes (highly reccomended on the web and Stephen Fry said something quite interesting about the Swiss Army. Every year on averge 24 people are murdered by someone using assault rifles kept at home by reserve soldiers. This makes the third highest rate of gun murders per capita of any country in the world.

    I looked at the statistics. The average gun realted deaths per capita in Switzerland is 37.16. That's very high, more than Guatemala.
    Of course, not all gun deaths are murders.

    Honduras has 60 and Venezuela has 59.13, El Salvador has 45. In other words Switzerland isn't on third place according to these numbers, but they are very high on the list. Most countries are under 2-3. All of Switzerland's neighbours are under 3.
    But the list I found is far from complete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    Here are some more numbers:

    USA has 4.62.
    Norway 1.75 (In the cold war Home Guard members kept battle rifles at home, but gun deaths were very low back then too)
    Japan 0.06
    India 0.28
    Israel 2.09 (a country where conscripts bring their military weapons home or on the streets when on leave)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    From 1914 to 1986 the service pistol in the Norwegian military was a version of the Colt M1911 produced on licence by Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk ("arms factory"). Most of the pistols were produced from 1915 to 1947. This includes production during the German occupation 1940-45.
    This is where it gets interesting. Some workers at the arms factory smugled out individual pieces of guns in their lunch boxes. These componenets were stolen before they were stamped with production numbers, making them untraceable. When they had all the components the pistols were assembled and handed over to members of the resistance. About 500 of these "Matpakke Colt" ("Lunch Box Colt") ended up in the hands of the resistence. Now these guns are highly sought after by collectors.


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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    What type of assault rifle is the masked attacker carrying?


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  • ppw3o6rppw3o6r Great BritainPosts: 2,270MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    What type of assault rifle is the masked attacker carrying?


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    The profile looks like it could be a Czech VZ58 as used on SPECTRE -{


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