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I love the scene as is, I like GM's additional dialogue though.
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Haha, sorry, Loeff.  I've been off today.  I have a very sick pet and been rushing from vet to animal hospital.  That's not a good excuse, but my attention has not been focused like it should be.  I see how "This is too much" supports what I said.  Thank you.  ajb007/cheers

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In the SPECTRE board meeting, they discuss their success introducing more young girls into the entertainment industry, or something like that. I assumed Mr White's comment about "women and children" was in reference to that new action: it was a step too far. Like Don Vito drawing the line at drugs in the Godfather. And Blofeld could not tolerate White's disent, so he had him poisoned.

As for mentioning Vesper, what exactly did Bond have left to discuss? He already knew how she was coerced into working for Quantum (evil boyfriend), had pretty definitive proof of her love and regret (she commits suicide and, according to M, traded herself to save Bond back on the ship), and he had made peace with her death (sparing the evil boyfriend and dropping the necklace at the end of QoS). Besides that, why would he expose a weak spot to an enemy?

I thought it was a well acted and engaging scene and in keeping with both men's characters. But that's just me  ajb007/biggrin

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What illness was Mr.White dying from?

"Some men are coming to kill us. We're going to kill them first."

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Can't quite remember if it was TRITIUM or POLONIUM poisoning ?
but I do think it was Radiation poisoning of some sort.

“I remember the last thing my Nan said to me before she died.
‘What are you doing here with that hammer?’”..... Lee Mack.

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It was Thallium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thallium_poisoning

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canoe2 wrote:

In the SPECTRE board meeting, they discuss their success introducing more young girls into the entertainment industry, or something like that. I assumed Mr White's comment about "women and children" was in reference to that new action: it was a step too far. Like Don Vito drawing the line at drugs in the Godfather. And Blofeld could not tolerate White's disent, so he had him poisoned.

This, exactly. I also understood the mention to "Women and children" as one linked to forced prostitution / pornography. And the "weakening" of Mr White (as seen by Blofeld et al.) too. I had a number of issues with the film (brief summary: correct but not great, easily forgettable) but this wasn't one of them.

"Enjoy it while it lasts."
"The very words I live by."

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White's cabin is full of surveillance cameras.  So he knows whatever he says to Bond is being captured on video by SPECTRE, as we see later on.  If White wanted to help Bond and save Madeleine, he'd have provided Bond with the name of the clinic in a more clandestine manner (i.e. writing it on a piece of paper that he blocks from camera view).

By giving Bond - and SPECTRE - Madeleine's location, White is using Madeleine as bait.  Blofeld wants Bond captured alive; this is why White doesn't kill Bond when Bond gives White his gun.  White kills himself because he has betrayed his daughter.

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Even some thieves have honor.

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I loved Mr. White in this film. I love that Bond films finally have some continuity, as a lifelong fan. Spectre is an underrated Bond film. Their easy capture of Blofeld in the end was a little weak - I kind of think they should have let him escape to become an inaccessible nemesis - he needs to escape - if they have any vision they'll let him become a supervillain again.

n.n.n.

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I appreciate seeing Mr White again, and I'm glad that he gets a proper death scene (in a retconning film for which tieing loose ends matters), but I agree with comments about how unconvincing his apparent change of heart is. Jesper Christensen puts emotional heft into his line about how he disapproves of SPECTRE's victimisation of "women and children" - it's the organisation that's changed, he suggests, rather than his own moral code - but in his first scene in CR he was utterly amoral, a Blofeld type himself, brokering the financial arrangements of the leader of a terrorist militia, Obanna, whose victims would certainly have included civilians. Blofeld considers that Mr White's gotten "weak" but it's rather more a case of the writers putting the different plot requirements of the different movies ahead of any careful concerns about consistent characterisation: Mr White's renunciation of SPECTRE is a classier take on the same sort of clunky change of heart foisted on atomic scientist Kutze aboard the Disco Volante in TB.

The fact that Mr White's role now includes being a parent may relate to his softening. Hitherto, any personal life he may have had would have been irrelevant. Incidentally, it's interesting that White gives no response at all when Bond asks him if he has a son he needs to protect - Bond guesses next that it must be a daughter. It's tempting to wonder whether, in this familial saga, the unmentioned (or unmentionable) son, a character who would be Madeleine's brother, might pitch up in the next movie...

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