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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    zaphod99 wrote:
    For example all of the Bonds have at some point wore a three piece suit but that also would be wrong for Daniel (please correct me if I'm wrong and he has worn one)

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Connery wore it, moore wore it. Even pierce brosnan wore it. What are the chanses of seeing craig in the naval commander uniform for his possible last film?

    I don't think he could pull it off convincingly, just would not look right I feel.
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    For example all of the Bonds have at some point wore a three piece suit but that also would be wrong for Daniel (please correct me if I'm wrong and he has worn one)

    AA_OLD_MAN_3.jpg


    Oops.i remember now, and it looked great. Maybe I'm wrong about the naval thing as well...
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Daniel Craig would look great in a uniform. The Lieutenant who commanded my platoon in Northern Norway looked a bit like Craig and had the same build, and he did NOT look like a boy in his father's clothes :))
  • LicencetochatLicencetochat Posts: 70MI6 Agent
    I found this on the internet. So here we have an idea of how it could look. Its photoshopped. But i belive it could work. Im actually hoping to see him in this 8-)


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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    For example all of the Bonds have at some point wore a three piece suit but that also would be wrong for Daniel (please correct me if I'm wrong and he has worn one)

    AA_OLD_MAN_3.jpg


    Oops.i remember now, and it looked great. Maybe I'm wrong about the naval thing as well...

    He wore one at the end of Spectre as well (although it was too tight).
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    Craig could pull off he naval uniform if the setting was appropriate. If it was forced just for the sake of nostalgia, it wouldn’t work.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Craig could pull off he naval uniform if the setting was appropriate. If it was forced just for the sake of nostalgia, it wouldn’t work.

    Totes agree about the nostalgia we have had a belly full of that. Maybe Boyle can find ways of doing it that's not cheesy. I liked the way earlier adventures were referenced in OHMSS. Perhaps PTS or titles is the place for it if it's done at all.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Perhaps it would be more fittings (pun intended) if Craig wore a field uniform or assault outfit instead of a formal uniform, perhaps during a raid?
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Perhaps it would be more fittings (pun intended) if Craig wore a field uniform or assault outfit instead of a formal uniform, perhaps during a raid?
    I would love to see Craig in a assault/tactical style outfit.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Barbel wrote:

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    Oops.i remember now, and it looked great. Maybe I'm wrong about the naval thing as well...

    He wore one at the end of Spectre as well (although it was too tight).

    There were two in Spectre: the black herringbone suit for the funeral and following scenes in Italy, then the checked suit at the end.

    Looking good in most styles of clothing is less a function of the person and more a function of the fit and cut. Daniel Craig has been wearing clothes so poorly tailored for a number of years now that it makes us think he won't look good in certain things. He used to wear clothes that flattered his body, and he looked quite good in them. I don't see why this couldn't happen again.
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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Danny Boyle is a human, as far as we know, so he cannot be in two places at once. He was in the UK the day Craig was spotted filming in Spain. Second unit is a possibility, but highly unlikely to be working with Daniel Craig during pre-production. Filming an advert by far makes the most sense here.

    Films are storyboarded out. A second unit director could follow a storyboard and with today's technology they send back digital video of what was shot and Boyle can review it in the UK. You could have had a shooting plan that, due to delays on Boyle's UK comedy film, meant there was a clash and Boyle couldn't be there.

    Early filming has taken place on DC Bond films before, but was that late May shoot in Spain actually early filming? And at that time was Boyle the director?
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/daniel-craig-as-james-bond-filming-in-cardona-spain-today-180529

    I think the real question to be asked is, could you make a Bond film in secret?

    If I was DC, I would want to do a Blofeld trilogy.

    The leaked Spectre script had, as the last line, "We'll have all the time in the world'. They either didn't film that or cut it from the final cut. Either way, for a film that DC was CO-PRODUCER on, they clearly were thinking of OHMSS and a sequel in that vein for Spectre.

    Neal Callow told attendees at the opening of the 007 ELEMENTS exhibit, including Club James Bond France, that DC's wife Rachel Weisz would have the perfect profile for Bond25's Bond girl. Such a profile would fit an OHMSS story.
    http://jamesbond007.net/2018/olivier-schneider-sera-le-stunt-coordinator-de-bond-25/

    In the May Spain filming DC was seen wearing a wedding ring and a non-Omega watch. A wedding present from Bond's wife?

    We know two 'Bond25' scripts exist, one by Purvis & Wade and one by Boyle's pal John Hodge.

    But, were they both for Bond25? Was one for Bond 25 and the other for Bond26?

    We know Purvis & Wade were working on their script from March 2017, three or four months before DC signs on. Enough time to produce a script.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4299532/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-ponders-play-007.html

    When DC announced on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert in August 2017 that he was doing another Bond, he was asked by Colbert, "will you return as James Bond," and DC said, "Yes". After some chit chat, Colbert asks, "is this the last Bond, can you tell me if you're going to do the one after that?" DC replies, "No, I think this is it, this is it, yeah," while not making eye contact. He said, I THINK. Why not say, "no, this is definitley the last one." If he is doing two films then "it," Bond25 wouldn't be his last.
    Watch The Late Show with Stephen Colbert interview here https://youtu.be/iNr9xdc6cVA

    DC also said during that interview that he'd known he was continuing, "for a couple of months," so he was signed up in the second quarter of 2017. The 25 May 2018 EON Bond25 announcement about Universal did not say that the next Bond film was DC's last.
    http://www.007.com/bond-25-announcement/

    BTW that 25 May Bond25, Universal announcement was four days before we see DC in Spain filming...

    We know that Warner Brothers knew they hadn't got the distribution rights as far back as November 2017 because they annouced then that they had moved Wonder Woman 2 to the same weekend as Bond25.
    http://collider.com/wonder-woman-2-release-date-2019-star-wars/

    How long before November 2017 did Universal know they were distributing Bond25? DC had been onboard since Q2, seven months before the Warner Bros. WW2 move, and the Bond25 script work started nine months before the WB Wonder Woman announcement.

    The two films do not have to be filmed sequentially, Bond25 scenes could be filmed at the same time as Bond26 scenes. For example, anything involving M in Whitehall.

    The 5-6 months of filming that starts this December could be all the Bond25/26 scenes/shots that require DC to be in the frame. It solves DC's opposition to doing films back-to-back.

    This would also answer the question, why have we had no confirmation that Naomie Harris, Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw are returning? Because they have already shot their scenes for both films, but can't say.

    In April 2017, Jeffrey Wright hinted on Twitter he was in Bond25.
    https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/851219619452862465
    https://screenrant.com/bond-25-felix-leiter-jeffrey-wright-return/
    And then again this year, in June, he commented mysteriously on his possible return.
    https://twitter.com/Daily_Express/status/1011609406046396416

    A much earlier filming schedule was also hinted at when Bond production designer Denis Gassner said in October 2017, "I’m about to do my fourth James Bond film," speaking in the present tense, not the future.
    www.thejamesbonddossier.com/news/dennis-gassner-confirms-bond-25-return.htm
    Was Gassner on-board a Sam Mendes directed Bond25, but not Boyle's Bond26?

    And David Arnold hinted at his return in July 2017.
    https://twitter.com/DavidGArnold/status/882684686132236288

    We also had an indication that Blofled was in Bond25 when Christoph Walz was asked if he was returning and he said no and referred to a "tradition", which must be that Blofeld is played by a different actor in each film, not that each film must have a different villain to the previous film.
    https://movieweb.com/james-bond-25-christoph-waltz-not-returning-blofeld/

    And then in June, we find out that Mark Strong is apparently in Bond25.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-25-mark-strong/

    But, his profile does not match the Bond25 villain casting call that was leaked and published by MI6.co.uk in July.
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-casting-call

    So, does the 'Bond25' villain casting call also solve this mysterious reaction from Benedict Cumberbatch when asked about Bond?
    Watch this at 3min 7seconds https://youtu.be/yi0OARkg0L4

    Someone else who had difficulty responding to questions about Bond25 was Lea Seydoux. She could not keep a straight face when asked if she would be in Bond25 when doing the publicity for Spectre, indicating she would be in Bond25.
    Watch this at 4min 50 seconds https://youtu.be/l3KAPj5pWbc
    Watch this at 3min 10 seconds https://youtu.be/5CmenJ8acg8

    So, how do you keep it all a secret?

    Film virtually everything you can at Pinewood. Even some 'outdoor' scenes can be filmed indoors, for example the Casino Royale courtyard when Bond confronts Vesper and her Quantum colleagues.
    http://www.filmscapes.co.uk/films/casino-royale/

    Then for the public filming, when people will see DC in London and other international locations, leave that to the official filming period.

    The schedule for the two films would be;

    2017
    March P&W Bond25 script is written
    April Jeffrey Wright signs on
    May/June DC signs on
    July David Arnold signs on
    August DC announces he's signed on
    Q3 Universal agree Bond25/26 distribution
    October 2017 Dennis Gassner says he is, "about to do my fourth James Bond film".
    December production starts on Bond25/26 scenes that don't need DC.

    2018
    Q1 Bond25 script is alledgely written. Amazingly it is immediately approved of by everyone - when was the last time that happened to a script?
    May DC does some filming for Bond25.
    December production officially starts on Bond25 but it is actually DC's scenes for both 25 and 26, with him playing opposite a Mark Strong Blofeld for Bond25 and a Russian villain for Bond26.

    And from Q3 2018 to September 2019, post-production is carried out on both films.

    Asp9mm, who has written some prescient posts and seems to have inside knowledge, has said;

    9 August 2017 "Craig is returning for sure. If he shoots the two films he's signed up for back to back from this September"
    https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/889506/#p889506

    9 Nov 2017 "How many are going to be disappointed when/if Mendes is announced."
    https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/902028/#p902028

    22 March 2018 "The director has been in place for a long time now. People panicking about a rushed schedule shouldn’t worry."
    https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/915976/#p915976

    So, when we talk about the Bond25 filming starting in December are we actually talking about Bond25 and Bond26 with November 2019 and November 2020 release dates?
  • Bmorelli11Bmorelli11 Posts: 197MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:


    Oops.i remember now, and it looked great. Maybe I'm wrong about the naval thing as well...

    He wore one at the end of Spectre as well (although it was too tight).

    There were two in Spectre: the black herringbone suit for the funeral and following scenes in Italy, then the checked suit at the end.

    Looking good in most styles of clothing is less a function of the person and more a function of the fit and cut. Daniel Craig has been wearing clothes so poorly tailored for a number of years now that it makes us think he won't look good in certain things. He used to wear clothes that flattered his body, and he looked quite good in them. I don't see why this couldn't happen again.

    Well said, Matt! It would be interesting to hear you discuss the importance of the proper cut for a suit on an upcoming "From Tailors With Love" podcast! -{
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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Ironically, of all the Bond actors, Craig would look best in a classic Savile-Row style suit.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Ironically, of all the Bond actors, Craig would look best in a classic Savile-Row style suit.

    That’s basically what he wore in QoS. And yeah, he looked fantastic.
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    IMHO DC looks better in Bonds casual clothes as suits seem to make him look rather stumpy!
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    superdaddy wrote:
    IMHO DC looks better in Bonds casual clothes as suits seem to make him look rather stumpy!

    That's only because he hasn't been wearing the right suits. He looks perfect in the QOS suits. The rest aren't right for him.
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  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    The scene where leaving airport with Fields, thought he looked very stumpy, but again just my opinion and tbh I know very little about clothes and always thought Sir Rog was the best dressed Bond! Can't beat a safarie shirt and slacks :))
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,907MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    So, when we talk about the Bond25 filming starting in December are we actually talking about Bond25 and Bond26 with November 2019 and November 2020 release dates?
    I'm glad youre being so optimistic Someone. If they really did film two back-to-back movies at the same time but released them each one year apart, I would take back (some of) my complaints about the four year wait.
    But never in their entire history have they been that forward looking, so I am not so optimistic.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    So, when we talk about the Bond25 filming starting in December are we actually talking about Bond25 and Bond26 with November 2019 and November 2020 release dates?
    I'm glad youre being so optimistic Someone. If they really did film two back-to-back movies at the same time but released them each one year apart, I would take back (some of) my complaints about the four year wait.
    But never in their entire history have they been that forward looking, so I am not so optimistic.

    Someone's theory is charmingly optimistic. May it be so! The one thing that keeps me from rejecting it out of hand is that there has been a certain amount of weirdness to the lead up of Bond 25 that I find difficult to explain. Lots of mixed messages, non-denial denials, and details like that Mark Strong's Instagram post that don't fit into anything we've yet heard about the film. Most of us are interpreting the current smokescreen as a reaction to Eon having been burned by the Sony leak. That's the likely reason. And yet we're living in an age where back to-back movies are becoming more common if not yet commonplace. If the Avengers can pull it off, why not Bond?
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,737MI6 Agent
    I'd be all for back to back Bonds but I doubt very much that will happen. It appears that EON and the other powers that be are all in on Hodge's script for Bond 25 and that's the film Boyle will make. It wouldn't surprise me that in the future EON might dust off P&W's Bond 25 script and use parts of it for another Bond film.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    So, when we talk about the Bond25 filming starting in December are we actually talking about Bond25 and Bond26 with November 2019 and November 2020 release dates?
    I'm glad youre being so optimistic Someone. If they really did film two back-to-back movies at the same time but released them each one year apart, I would take back (some of) my complaints about the four year wait.
    But never in their entire history have they been that forward looking, so I am not so optimistic.

    "Actor Ralph Fiennes is expected to land a major role in KINGSMAN 3, with filming meant to start in January 2019. It's worth noting that he already has two other projects scheduled for early next year, making it doubtful he'll return in #Bond25."
    https://twitter.com/Bond25Film/status/1027941920222400512

    It doesn't matter, if he's already filmed his scenes...
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    Someone's theory is charmingly optimistic. May it be so! The one thing that keeps me from rejecting it out of hand is that there has been a certain amount of weirdness to the lead up of Bond 25 that I find difficult to explain. Lots of mixed messages, non-denial denials, and details like that Mark Strong's Instagram post that don't fit into anything we've yet heard about the film. Most of us are interpreting the current smokescreen as a reaction to Eon having been burned by the Sony leak. That's the likely reason. And yet we're living in an age where back to-back movies are becoming more common if not yet commonplace. If the Avengers can pull it off, why not Bond?

    It would also explain the weirdness about Boyle apparently waltzing (no pun intended) into 'Bond25' production with apparently very little time for preparation or pre-production because he is working on his untitled UK based comedy film.

    Remember the convoluted timetables people were speculating on about how a Boyle Bond25 filming/editing schedule could work? All of that convoluted-ness goes away if he's actually been working on Bond26 for sometime.

    BTW Universal is also distributing Boyle's comedy film.
    https://deadline.com/2018/04/danny-boyle-richard-curtis-comedy-eyes-sept-2019-release-two-months-before-james-bond-1202365674/

    And was DC's visit to the CIA really about this Reel to Real project the CIA has, or was it clandestine filming?
    https://www.cia.gov/news-information/blog/2018/reel-vs-real-with-daniel-craig.html

    The CIA has only had one other Reel to Real event and that was about Soviet spies from the TV series The Americans.
    https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/reel-vs-real.html
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    Someone wrote:
    So, when we talk about the Bond25 filming starting in December are we actually talking about Bond25 and Bond26 with November 2019 and November 2020 release dates?
    I'm glad youre being so optimistic Someone. If they really did film two back-to-back movies at the same time but released them each one year apart, I would take back (some of) my complaints about the four year wait.
    But never in their entire history have they been that forward looking, so I am not so optimistic.

    "Actor Ralph Fiennes is expected to land a major role in KINGSMAN 3, with filming meant to start in January 2019. It's worth noting that he already has two other projects scheduled for early next year, making it doubtful he'll return in #Bond25."
    https://twitter.com/Bond25Film/status/1027941920222400512

    It doesn't matter, if he's already filmed his scenes...

    If 25 only has a classic M interaction at the start of the film giving Bond a mission then he’s not seen again besides a possible brief good job scene at the end, I’m sure Finnes could get his filming done in a very short amount of time (days rather than months). I’m sure it can be worked around another other jobs he has coming up.

    And yeah, I like your optimism but once again I highly doubt they’ve done any filming with any of the main characters/actors for the main/first unit yet.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    What are Fiennes other projects that would need his involvement next year? He's currently filming Dr. Doolittle, but I'm sure he'll be finished with that by the end of the year. There are three other projects that are in post-production (one of which he is the director) but they should all be over by the end of the year. If his involvement in Kingsmen 3 is similar to Jeff Bridges in Kingsmen 2, he can shoot his scenes in a couple of weeks.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Posts: 296MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    What are Fiennes other projects that would need his involvement next year? He's currently filming Dr. Doolittle, but I'm sure he'll be finished with that by the end of the year. There are three other projects that are in post-production (one of which he is the director) but they should all be over by the end of the year. If his involvement in Kingsmen 3 is similar to Jeff Bridges in Kingsmen 2, he can shoot his scenes in a couple of weeks.

    He's also starring in 'Antony & Cleopatra' at the National Theatre from Sept 2018 - Jan 2019.
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  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    What are Fiennes other projects that would need his involvement next year? He's currently filming Dr. Doolittle, but I'm sure he'll be finished with that by the end of the year. There are three other projects that are in post-production (one of which he is the director) but they should all be over by the end of the year. If his involvement in Kingsmen 3 is similar to Jeff Bridges in Kingsmen 2, he can shoot his scenes in a couple of weeks.

    He has 2 movies scheduled to start in early 2019 - “The Forgiven” and “Hallelujah”

    It’s worth noting that “The Forgiven” will also star Mark Strong...
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    Maybe, he's just not in 25! Easy to explain, M's on leave ,on a course etc no real drama really!
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    What are Fiennes other projects that would need his involvement next year? He's currently filming Dr. Doolittle, but I'm sure he'll be finished with that by the end of the year. There are three other projects that are in post-production (one of which he is the director) but they should all be over by the end of the year. If his involvement in Kingsmen 3 is similar to Jeff Bridges in Kingsmen 2, he can shoot his scenes in a couple of weeks.

    He has 2 movies scheduled to start in early 2019 - “The Forgiven” and “Hallelujah”

    It’s worth noting that “The Forgiven” will also star Mark Strong...

    There's nothing on the Google about The Forgiven since early May and nothing on Hallelujah since late April. Neither film has a Wikipedia page or an IMDB page. Neither film appears on Fiennes's Wikipedia page. The Forgiven doesn't appear on Strong's Wikipedia page.

    Just saying.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Bond shoots take a long time. If they want Fiennes to have a traditional role as M, he will be able to find a day for it within those five months.
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