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Thunderpussy wrote:

Just get soldiers  from Newcastle. All they need is
A T shirt, even in winter.  ajb007/wink

Yeah even the chicks in the Toon wear practically nothing on a night out, have armour plated skin and acquire their own targets! Seen many a happless chap drunk as a skunk carried home by a local lass after a night on the tiles  ajb007/biggrin (muttering you are my puppy dog now)

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!

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Bond44 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Just get soldiers  from Newcastle. All they need is
A T shirt, even in winter.  ajb007/wink

Yeah even the chicks in the Toon wear practically nothing on a night out, have armour plated skin and acquire their own targets! Seen many a happless chap drunk as a skunk carried home but a local lass after a night on the tiles  ajb007/biggrin

Cheers  ajb007/bond

Slightly, only slightly off topic.... or not, I did spy some tattooed Newcastle "guns" in the mix!

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7jvsgStYC0

"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

ppw3o6r wrote:

Shame they can't suppress the 40mm M203 grenade launcher on said ensemble which would definitely give away their location!  ajb007/biggrin

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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https://youtu.be/TrdLpbflXyQ
I found this interesting, can a pillow act as a silencer, as in
Many old films ? .......... Quick answer um ... Sort of  ajb007/biggrin

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you?  ajb007/shifty

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Number24 wrote:

I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you?  ajb007/shifty

Im no expert but "silencer" is not a real description, it is a "suppressor". You also have flash eliminator on the exit end of a rifle.

So yes silencer is made up as it does not silence the weapon, it suppresses the noise  ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

***One day at a time***

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Number24 wrote:

I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you?  ajb007/shifty

I wonder if that is a relatively recent preference. I've recently read the correspondence between Ian Fleming and Geoffrey Boothroyd, both of whom happily use the term 'silencer', but that was some 60 years ago!

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I'm very "Street" and the word on the street is silencer. So I'm not
Giving up my street cred for anyone.  ajb007/wink  I shall still wear my jeans halfway down my arse,  and will stand no truck with anyone
" dissing" Me !  ajb007/tongue
  John Gardner also had Bond saying similar things in his novels.

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Actually we use the term "can"  ajb007/tongue

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ajb007/lol   ajb007/cheers

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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It just occured to me.... is it possible I might have upset gun experts without even saying 'gun silencer"?
You know, by saying other, political things about guns?  ajb007/amazed  ajb007/amazed  ajb007/amazed

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https://youtu.be/TFhIXPZwdJ0
Thought his was interesting silcencer v suppressor

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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That was an interesting YouTube video on using a pillow as a suppressor....

Someone earlier mentioned the Winchester lever action rifles...one of my first guns was a Winchester 94 in 30-30 that I bought with earnings from my sawmill job...I think I was 14 or 15. I had always hunted deer with a shotgun and I really wanted a rifle..

I was stationed in Wyoming in the early 70s and I remember being at the base rifle range one day when the Wyoming State Police were training. They carried Winchester 94s in their cars...they were doing some training where they would shoot one or two rounds, and while moving forward they would top off their rifle..that side loading gate is handy.

The 30-30 round is very potent...

I often carry my Winchester when I'm on my farm...it's light, accurate and reliable...can't beat that.

"I don't know if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or imbeciles who mean it."-Mark Twain
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'- Benny Hill (1924-1992)

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If Hinx returns (and I hope he does) the Gilboa Snake assault rifle will be perfect for him:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WC4MJtSI42I/T9qojSPKpOI/AAAAAAAAMG4/A_CtPSSFg_U/s1600/gilboa_snake_ar_15_rifle-tIsrael+exhibited+a+double-barreled+rifles+%25284%2529.jpg






Or perhaps Hinx prefers shotguns?

http://cdn.hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DP-12-Double-Barrel-Pump-Shotgun.jpg

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I wonder with all these double barrels .... is Hinx trying to compensate for something ?  ajb007/biggrin

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Yes, most people only need to shoot one ball at the time. One ball ........ is Hinx the target of a Hitler joke?  ajb007/lol

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This is a modernized Version of the SOE pistol Welrod - probably the most quiet gun in the world in WWII.
The new Welrod (B&T VP9) would be perfect for an assassin in a Bond movie, but not James Bond IMO.


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0c/36/26/0c36264ffe197a2312fa71585b04c494.jpg

Article:
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shootin … ed-pistol/


The WWII Welrod pistol:

http://gearsofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/welrod_thumb.jpg

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I have seen some documentaries about special forces/agent training in WWII. Sometimes they fire pistols while squatting, like this:


https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pistol_38_waang_195x_800.jpg


Is this a practical technique, or is it silly?

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At this years pistol/rifle CQB refresher we did almost that. The scenario was that you are pretty close up with the threat and you get your "OH S1HT!" -moment, either run out or get a jam... It's better to drop down (we went on our knee/knees) to load/clear, and continue to fire in an upward angle, than to stay upright as a perfect target.

Then again, the several '40s and '50s manuals I have, show quite different technique from what we know today, included the above one. I have sometimes wondered if the instructors really knew what they were talking about...
Case in point:
https://i.postimg.cc/GHGvPCPY/Rex-Applegate-Devel-2.jpg

"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech

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Number24 wrote:

I have seen some documentaries about special forces/agent training in WWII. Sometimes they fire pistols while squatting, like this:


https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pistol_38_waang_195x_800.jpg


Is this a practical technique, or is it silly?

Practical on skis perhaps  ajb007/biggrin

https://i.postimg.cc/67cs1qRv/The-Spy-Who-Loved-Me-0052.jpg

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Or if attacked by dwarf zombies  ?  ajb007/wink

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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0073 wrote:

At this years pistol/rifle CQB refresher we did almost that. The scenario was that you are pretty close up with the threat and you get your "OH S1HT!" -moment, either run out or get a jam... It's better to drop down (we went on our knee/knees) to load/clear, and continue to fire in an upward angle, than to stay upright as a perfect target.

Then again, the several '40s and '50s manuals I have, show quite different technique from what we know today, included the above one. I have sometimes wondered if the instructors really knew what they were talking about...
Case in point:
https://i.postimg.cc/GHGvPCPY/Rex-Applegate-Devel-2.jpg

Some of the shooting styles in WWII do look strange today. I remember the SOE agent Max Manus wrote that some of the recruits who had shooting experience from before the war questioned some of what the pistol  instructors said. One instructor was of the opinion that the arm should be bent when firing a pistol  ajb007/confused
The more experienced shooters had a shooting competition against the instructor and won.

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Not a question this time. I'm watching QI episodes (highly reccomended on the web and Stephen Fry said something quite interesting about the Swiss Army. Every year on averge 24 people are murdered by someone using assault rifles kept at home by reserve soldiers. This makes the third highest rate of gun murders per capita of any country in the world.

I looked at the statistics. The average gun realted deaths per capita  in Switzerland is 37.16. That's very high, more than Guatemala.
Of course, not all gun deaths are murders.

Honduras has 60 and Venezuela has 59.13, El Salvador has 45. In other words Switzerland isn't on third place according to these numbers, but they are very high on the list. Most countries are under 2-3. All of Switzerland's neighbours are under 3.
But the list I found is far from complete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c … death_rate

Here are some more numbers:

USA has 4.62.
Norway 1.75 (In the cold war Home Guard members kept battle rifles at home, but gun deaths were very  low back then too)
Japan 0.06
India 0.28
Israel 2.09 (a country where conscripts bring their military weapons home or on the streets when on leave)

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From 1914 to 1986 the service pistol in the Norwegian military was a version of the  Colt M1911 produced on licence by Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk ("arms factory"). Most of the pistols were produced from 1915 to 1947. This includes production during the German occupation 1940-45.
This is where it gets interesting. Some workers at the arms factory smugled out individual pieces of guns in their lunch boxes. These componenets were stolen before they were stamped with production numbers, making them untraceable. When they had all the components the pistols were assembled and handed over to members of the resistance. About 500 of these "Matpakke Colt" ("Lunch Box Colt") ended up in the hands of the resistence. Now these guns are highly sought after by collectors.


https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2011/04/1tlmye-1.jpg

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What type of assault rifle is the masked attacker carrying?


https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/36/590x/1107007_1.jpg