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Topic: Bond 10 & 18

Has anybody ever realized that TND is like a souped up, grittier version of The Spy Who Loved Me?

Movie: From Russia With Love | Novel: On Her Majesty's Secret Service | Actor: Sean Connery | Girl: Melina Havelock | Car: Aston Martin V8

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Yes, and likewise TSWLM is very similar to YOLT.

All three (+ to an extent MR, which uses a variation) use what I call Standard Bond Plot #2. The villain is trying to cause two world powers to wage war against each other, 007 teams up with a (beautiful, naturally) female agent from another country to prevent this happening. They bicker at first but end up together.

(Standard Bond Plot #1: 007 is sent to investigate the smuggling of something non-threatening in itself but precious (gold, diamonds, Fabergé eggs, microchips...) and finds that while the villain is doing this, there's a more sinister scheme afoot. He's aided by a (beautiful, naturally) female associate of the villain who switches sides, convinced by Bond's incomparable charm.)

This earlier thread may be of interest: https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/17739/ts … onnection/

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Bond Plot #1 and #2.

I like how you are thinking, Barbel.

Do you have #3 and #4 as well?

Any other categories that you've worked out over the years (just keep you talking  ajb007/biggrin ).

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ajb007/lol  Rather than me rambling on, why don't you have a bash?

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Dalton has not been mentioned so far, or Asp9mm  ajb007/biggrin

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...that would be because whoever's playing Bond isn't relevant, and Asp9mm hasn't decided to chip in.  Go on, what would be your thoughts on Standard Bond Plot #3?

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I haven't thought it as deeply as you, that's why I have been asking.

Imo, world domination would be one repetitive story, using other countries to blame (preferrably Russia and China) for the villain's plot would be another one.

Monopolising on natural resources (Sun (TMWTGG) and water(QoS), gold (GF)) would be another reoccuring pattern.

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-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------
FIRST TO DISCOVER substantial evidence that Chew Mee is in fact not totally nude in the TMWTGG pool scenes!

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Off the top of my head, then:

Standard Bond Plot #3. Something or someone has gone missing (the Secret Service's agents in Jamaica, two atomic bombs, an ATAC, a Tiger helicopter....), 007 is sent to investigate and teams up with a (beautiful, naturally) female against the villain who has killed her father (Honey thinks so, anyway), parents (Melina is pretty sure), brother (Domino), best bud (Natalya)....

These are generalisations and not absolutes, of course. For example AVTAK uses Plot#2, but Stacey is motivated by revenge and isn't in Zorin's control (though MayDay is, and she's the one who changes sides).

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I think there's  an old expression  scriptwriters
Use. In that there are only seven stories, everything
Else is either a variation  or combination  of these
Classic story ideas.

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I think there's  an old expression  scriptwriters
Use. In that there are only seven stories, everything
Else is either a variation  or combination  of these
Classic story ideas.

Yes, I've heard that myself, TP, and it's no doubt true. There's nothing new under the sun, as they say.

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A running gag in the Brosnan films is the use of satellites, I don't know if that's ever been noted before.

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They're both similar. And I love them both for that reason.
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1. GE 2. CR 3. LTK 4. TLD 5. TB 6. GF 7. FRWL 8. DN 9. OHMSS 10. QOS 11. TND 12. TSWLM 13. FYEO 14. OP 15. MR 16. TWINE 17. DAD 18. SF 19. DAF 20. AVTAK 21. LALD 22. TMWTGG 23. YOLT 24. SP

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Love Bond plot 1 and 2. Just my type of movies. ajb007/smile

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More interesting is how they're both made without the influence/guiding force/partnership of a previous producer, in specific Saltzman and Broccoli, respectively. Certainly an interesting coincidence.

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I guess that's because using a previously successful formula means the film will be on fairly safe ground. YOLT, the origin as it were for this standard plot, had two producers and was one of the most successful in the franchise.

I guess another standard plot variation would be the villain plotting something for his own ends - increasing the price of his own gold, establishing a title and amnesty for past crimes, breaking into the Bank of England and transferring cash etc - which has a diabolical impact on the West, but which falls short of setting two super-powers against each other.

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and You Only Live Twice was the first made without the influence/guiding force/partnership of Fleming!
he'd had some involvement with the first three films, at least visiting the sets and commenting on the filmmakers' choices. and had been involved in the production of Thunderball since before there was an EON series.
Then once he's gone they throw out his texts and build the volcano HQ instead.