Bond 25 SPOILER news

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  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,150MI6 Agent
    Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    I feel pretty sure Jamaica will both stand in for Cuba and represent Jamaica itself.

    But if the PTS is a car chase in Italy while Bond is not in active service in Jamaica, is Bond invlved in the PTS at all?
    Perhaps the PTS is the kidnaping of the scientist?
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    Geez we're getting almost daily updates on the picture front. Not bad.

    But wow, Craig, no extra Easter holiday weight on that stomach....how many sit ups for that :s
  • MikeG77MikeG77 Posts: 1,770MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    Geez we're getting almost daily updates on the picture front. Not bad.

    But wow, Craig, no extra Easter holiday weight on that stomach....how many sit ups for that :s

    LOL I bet he's doing situps in between plates of food :))
    I know where you keep your gun!
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    emtiem wrote:

    Yeah; I assume it’s something historic from the whole Jude Law/Sadie Miller thing, from when one of them (Express?) hacked his phone, but I have no idea what their problem is specifically.

    Dislike the Daily Mail intensely but even I dont see it as political. Daniel's terseness has not won him many fans amongst the media. Also even Mrs Zaphod said " why isn't that guy James Bond "

    Well it’s eother political or a grudge, as we said, yes. Are you saying it’s Craig’s fault on some way that they have the knives out for him in a rather blatant way? I suspect what hadn’t won him fans in the media is their inability to get jokes and to be found guilty in courts of law when they’ve hacked peoples’ phones. Funny how the recent series of Alan Partridge got smeared in the gutter press too. Almost as if they bear grudges against people who make them look bad! :)
    And I’d imagine that guy isn’t James Bond because he’s not an actor :D

    I dont think it's his fault but I think he has not helped the situation.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    I really hope this is an older Browning HP with wooden grips, it's been a massively used military handgun, and is quite fitting for an ex military man to have. It would also suit with bonds current image and lifestyle IMHO.
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    And now that he’s retired he can chuck the Walthers and go back to his beloved Berettas.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    Well after seeing these pics I don't think anyone can complain about Craig's fitness level for the film anymore—those arms, quads and calves are huge, he's done well.

    He really has put the work in and full credit to him. People sometimes sneer 'it's easy for them with personal trainers and dieticians etc. True, but it's still the individual that has to put those hours in. I take it as a good indicator that Craig is not going to 'dial it in' I'm not his number one fan, but his professionalism and commitment cannot be faulted. I'm more worried by that small hole in his Tee shirt :))
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    I have to say. I was pretty confident that Craig would slim down and get in decent shape for Bond 25 but judging by the latest pictures he has exceeded even my expectations.....51 and a six pack is not easy under any circumstances. If the script is in as good shape as Craig, we could be in for a very good film. At this point, I'm not going to even guess at the ins and outs of the story line of this film. It's way too easy to take these photos out of context.
  • YouknowthenameYouknowthename Carver Media GroupPosts: 500MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    Well after seeing these pics I don't think anyone can complain about Craig's fitness level for the film anymore—those arms, quads and calves are huge, he's done well.
    Especially at his age - this takes serious commitment.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:

    Dislike the Daily Mail intensely but even I dont see it as political. Daniel's terseness has not won him many fans amongst the media. Also even Mrs Zaphod said " why isn't that guy James Bond "

    Well it’s eother political or a grudge, as we said, yes. Are you saying it’s Craig’s fault on some way that they have the knives out for him in a rather blatant way? I suspect what hadn’t won him fans in the media is their inability to get jokes and to be found guilty in courts of law when they’ve hacked peoples’ phones. Funny how the recent series of Alan Partridge got smeared in the gutter press too. Almost as if they bear grudges against people who make them look bad! :)
    And I’d imagine that guy isn’t James Bond because he’s not an actor :D

    I dont think it's his fault but I think he has not helped the situation.

    What should he be doing while he's busy making this film, though? :) He seemed personable enough in the interviews beforehand- right now there's not much he can do- he's accused of being 'glum' or old while he's working! Don't believe everything you read in the papers, I'd say.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    "What should he be doing while he's busy making this film, though? ajb007/smile He seemed personable enough in the interviews beforehand- right now there's not much he can do- he's accused of being 'glum' or old while he's working! Don't believe everything you read in the papers, I'd say."

    Agreed. Just a bunch of nonsense. They can't riff on him looking old and out of shape so they need to find something. Making movies is a serious high stakes business. While Craig has at times been prickly with the press, I have never heard anything negative about him on set. He appears to have a reputation for not being difficult, always prepared, professional and respectful to others. He especially appears to get on well with the stunt people.
  • 005005 Posts: 138MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    He appears to have a reputation for not being difficult, always prepared, professional and respectful to others. He especially appears to get on well with the stunt people.

    People say he can be reserved and distant between takes. Listening to music to get himself in character etc. But that doesn't sound bad to me at all. He's probably a bit of an introvert who needs to mentally prepare to do his best before he does his thing. As i'm sure many other actors do. He sounds perfectly affable in general to me.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    005 wrote:
    HowardB wrote:
    He appears to have a reputation for not being difficult, always prepared, professional and respectful to others. He especially appears to get on well with the stunt people.

    People say he can be reserved and distant between takes. Listening to music to get himself in character etc. But that doesn't sound bad to me at all. He's probably a bit of an introvert who needs to mentally prepare to do his best before he does his thing. As i'm sure many other actors do. He sounds perfectly affable in general to me.

    I saw a bit of the Skyfall filming and I was surprised at how much Rory Kinnear psyches himself up before a take. I don’t know anything about acting but I guess everyone has their approach.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    Actors differ in their approach. What's important here is that Craig is not just "going through the motions" is invested and has prepared himself physically and mentally for the demands of shooting a Bond film. It would appear that his doing Knives Out was probably a good thing. Considering all the pre-production headaches, getting away from Bond 25 for a bit provided some respite and allowed him to come back refreshed.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    edited May 2019
    Wow. Nobody in the cast will see the entire Bond25 script! Says Naomie Harris. Bond25 comments start at 17 minutes.
    https://twitter.com/JB007_news/status/1126476865323986947

    This explains why Lea Seydoux told a French magazine that she had only seen a page of the script.

    One assumes that Phoebe Waller-Bridge was given the entire script, or was she? Do you need to see the entire script to write good dialogue for the female characters?

    I can understand EON feeling stung by the Sony hack and how you might want to keep the script off of email and for people only to get numbered, named copies by courier for Bond25, but this seems extreme where the cast only see the pages relevant to them, or maybe sets of pages at different stages of filming.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    I would be surprised if Phoebe Waller-Bridge is only hired to write female characters. Male scriptwriters have written female characters for decades, after all. Wasting a good scriptwriter on only writing characters of her own gender sounds both wasteful and disrespectful.

    I would also be surprised if Craig isn't given the whole script, and perhaps Malek gets to read everything too.
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I would be surprised if Phoebe Waller-Bridge is only hired to write female characters. Male scriptwriters have written female characters for decades, after all. Wasting a good scriptwriter on only writing characters of her own gender sounds both wasteful and disrespectful.

    I would also be surprised if Craig isn't given the whole script, and perhaps Malek gets to read everything too.

    I completely disagree with this. Screenwriters are hired to write very specific things all the time, whether it be humor, action, etc. John Milius was once hired to rewrite one scene in Clear and Present Danger. It is not disrespectful in the slightest.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    My fear, if this is true, is that it's the sort of security one would put in place to protect a twist ending. The death of Bond. I have wondered if Bond enjoying retirement at the start of the film leaves only two places for the story to end: 1.) He returns to MI6, 2) He dies. Returning to Jamaica to flop around in his flip flops and spearfish red snapper doesn't have a lot of dramatic heft as climaxes ago.

    For the record, I don't want Craig's Bond to die even knowing they'll reboot the series again with a new actor. It's not like Wolverine or Iron Man who are comic book characters, or Luke Skywalker who can return as a Force ghost. Bond's reality might be a fantasy version of our own, but I identify with him as a potentially real man (at least in this iteration).

    Then again, it's not hard to imagine Fleming killing off Bond if he had survived.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I would be surprised if Phoebe Waller-Bridge is only hired to write female characters. Male scriptwriters have written female characters for decades, after all. Wasting a good scriptwriter on only writing characters of her own gender sounds both wasteful and disrespectful.

    I would also be surprised if Craig isn't given the whole script, and perhaps Malek gets to read everything too.

    I completely disagree with this. Screenwriters are hired to write very specific things all the time, whether it be humor, action, etc. John Milius was once hired to rewrite one scene in Clear and Present Danger. It is not disrespectful in the slightest.

    Have you ever heard of a male sriptdoctor being called in spesifically to rewrite the male characters?
    You know, only the male character because he's a man ….
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    My fear, if this is true, is that it's the sort of security one would put in place to protect a twist ending. The death of Bond. I have wondered if Bond enjoying retirement at the start of the film leaves only two places for the story to end: 1.) He returns to MI6, 2) He dies. Returning to Jamaica to flop around in his flip flops and spearfish red snapper doesn't have a lot of dramatic heft as climaxes ago.

    For the record, I don't want Craig's Bond to die even knowing they'll reboot the series again with a new actor. It's not like Wolverine or Iron Man who are comic book characters, or Luke Skywalker who can return as a Force ghost. Bond's reality might be a fantasy version of our own, but I identify with him as a potentially real man (at least in this iteration).

    Then again, it's not hard to imagine Fleming killing off Bond if he had survived.

    I was basically against Bond dying, but over time I’ve come round to it. I think the best (and most Fleming-sequel) approach would be an ambiguous ending that leaves the audience to decide Bond’s fate.

    That said, there are other plot twists beyond this one, which frankly has been out in the open for a while. My guess is the allegiances of Madeleine are part of the twist. Perhaps Felix as well.

    Either way, big budget genre films are definitely moving in the direction of more secrecy. EON’s decision to only show pieces of the script to the cast is not an outlier. Only Robert Downey Jr. read the entire script for Endgame. I’m glad to see EON learned from the Sony hacks.
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Have you ever heard of a male sriptdoctor being called in spesifically to rewrite the male characters?
    You know, only the male character because he's a man ….

    If there is something sexist about hiring a woman to only write female characters, I choose to assume Ms. Waller-Bridge is a strong enough woman to not have accepted the job, and Ms. Broccoli is a strong enough woman to not have asked her to do the job.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    With the way any small piece of information gets pounded on by the media or social media these days (and typically with a negative spin) EON is doing the right thing IMO. It does appear that EON has learned from the Sony hacks. Considering the bumpy ride Bond 25 has had during much of pre-production, they have gone into production in fairly good shape all things considered. Personally, I don't want to know so much that it would spoil my enjoyment of the film.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Have you ever heard of a male sriptdoctor being called in spesifically to rewrite the male characters?
    You know, only the male character because he's a man ….

    If there is something sexist about hiring a woman to only write female characters, I choose to assume Ms. Waller-Bridge is a strong enough woman to not have accepted the job, and Ms. Broccoli is a strong enough woman to not have asked her to do the job.

    What if a male character's line has to be changed for a male character for the new line of a female character to work - would Waller-Bridge have to ask a male scriptwriters to change the man's line and not for the woman's line?

    I would think Waller-Bridge is hired to strengthen the script in a more general sense than just the women, but I guess Waller-Bridge wil have an eye on the female characters.
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    What if a male character's line has to be changed for a male character for the new line of a female character to work - would Waller-Bridge have to ask a male scriptwriters to change the man's line and not for the woman's line?

    I think you are waaaaay over analyzing this and I just don't see enough value in it to engage in a tit for tat with you on it.

    Back to Bond...
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    We were talking about Bond25 ….
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Honor Blackman always said one of the reasons for the
    Success of the Avengers was, that her character was originally
    Written for a Male, and the scripts couldn't be changed in time .
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BraxoBraxo Posts: 45MI6 Agent
    005 wrote:
    Listening to music to get himself in character etc

    We must get his playlist.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Have you ever heard of a male sriptdoctor being called in spesifically to rewrite the male characters?
    You know, only the male character because he's a man ….

    If there is something sexist about hiring a woman to only write female characters, I choose to assume Ms. Waller-Bridge is a strong enough woman to not have accepted the job, and Ms. Broccoli is a strong enough woman to not have asked her to do the job.

    What if a male character's line has to be changed for a male character for the new line of a female character to work - would Waller-Bridge have to ask a male scriptwriters to change the man's line and not for the woman's line?

    I would think Waller-Bridge is hired to strengthen the script in a more general sense than just the women, but I guess Waller-Bridge wil have an eye on the female characters.

    Well you can listen to her talking about it here: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/awards-chatter/id1039032256?i=1000437565819
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    Thanks, the podcast was interesting. I'm really want to see what she brings to Bond25.
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
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