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Was just about to post that point.

Blofeld couldn't have been a paraplegic at the end of OHMSS, simply because he was able to accelerate the car with his foot. Perhaps it was 'only' a neck injury, that was able to heal come the events of DAF, then getting knocked around in the bathosub may have been enough to do further damage to his spine, hence the wheelchair.

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Paraplegics can drive cars, and the character certainly appears wheelchair-bound by the time of FYEO. Notwithstanding, it's 100% clear that the character in FYEO is supposed to be the same Blofeld as in OHMSS (bald head, neck brace), so the Charles Gray version has clearly disappeared from the timeline.

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Yeah, since it's not 100% evident that he's paralyzed in OMHSS, we could also assume that what Bond did in DAF paralyzed him.

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Manxman wrote:

Paraplegics can drive cars, and the character certainly appears wheelchair-bound by the time of FYEO. Notwithstanding, it's 100% clear that the character in FYEO is supposed to be the same Blofeld as in OHMSS (bald head, neck brace), so the Charles Gray version has clearly disappeared from the timeline.

Or he just changed his face again, and the Charles Gray version is the same guy, just with heavy plastic surgery and a wig (Since I will accept that Blofeld is likely naturally bald).

One could also argue that since it's made clear he has a number of body doubles, and that he also changes his appearance and even his voice often, that it's possible that NONE of the versions we see on screen are the "REAL" Blofeld.

The OHMSS Blofeld didn't have a stereotypical Arab-American accent like in FYEO, but sounded like an upper class New Yorker.

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I actually feel DAF saved James Bond.
Let me explain. Of course there would always be a market for Bond. But the late 60s/early 1970s were a very rapidly changing time. OHMSS underperformed at the box office. The mid 1960s - Bond's height - was culturally a long time gone. By 1971, gritty crime movies like The French Connection and Panic in Needle Park had sort of replaced Bond; this was the era of Serpico, government distrust. Bringing Sean Connery back in - and updating the look and feel of the series a bit (The Vegas car chase could come out of Bullit; the elevator fight reminds me of gritty 70s movie fights; the moon buggy scene threw a wink at popular Moon Landing conspiracies) and changing the tone - was the perfect segue needed to bridge James Bond into a new era of cinema. Connery proved the draw that brought the series back to life, the film was a smash hit, the biggest Bond hit in a while, and then casting Roger Moore and getting Paul McCartney to do the theme song, and George Martin to do the score for the next film sealed the deal. DAF is the bridge between the 60s and 70s for James Bond, and it's because of DAF that the James Bond movie franchise was able to cross that bridge into a new era with a new audience and different expectations. DAF is a weird film because it's a transitional film. It's the missing link between the Connery and Moore years.

I think if we had gotten a commercial dud Bond in 1971 - another Lazenby film - it might've tanked and the series might've taken a long hiatus. Maybe from an artistic or novel purist standpoint, another Lazenby film with a morose tone would have been better - but commercially it might have killed the series and money is what matters in the end.

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I'm pretty tolerable to bond movies that may be considered bad or over the top, but Diamonds Are Forever is not one I can sit through. Whether it were a sequel to OHMSS or YOLT, the film is still bad no matter what way I look at it. It's silly, uninspired, containing awful humor and jokes, a terrible performance by Connery, an wasted bond girl who I can't stand, bland locations and climax and the worst portrayal of Blofeld. Most of all, it was supposed to be a revenge story but Tracy isn't even mentioned once, so I guess Irma Bunt really did get away with murder. Hate to drag down this discussion with my post, but it's my honest opinion. As for it being the weirdest bond film, well it's up there but I personally find The Man With The Golden Gun to be the weirdest. Who thought taking Mr. Bond to school would enhance the plot, or Bond's so called ally driving off without him lol.

1. FYEO 2. TLD 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. OHMSS 6. TSWLM 7. GF  8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. DN 11. SP 12. MR 13. SF  14. CR 15. TB 16. LALD 17. GE 18. YOLT 19. TND 20. TMWTGG 21. TWINE 22. TND 23. DAF 24. DAD

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Agree with everyting what Wadsy says about DAF, its just not fun to watch for me. Connery looks loads better in NSNA and that was 12 years later.

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Revolver66 wrote:

Good call on LALD AND Golden Gun. They're both pretty farout. I love LALD, it's one of my favourites, and yes it is pretty left of field. It seems like the 70s was probably the weirdest period for Bond. Maybe because they were experimenting a little and trying to take the series in all of these different directions. I always found Diamonds quite strange because of the characters and the imagery. Blofeld is the campiest villain, the two gay henchmen are great but bizarre. Then there are strange characters like Shady Tree and Willard Whyte. And I always found the circus scene with the ape-woman absolutely bonkers. So random. Also the moon buggy chase and the pre-titles with that strange mud lake. Crazy times

DAF, LLD and TMWTGG... I love those three movies, for exactly these reasons. They were the first Bonds that I saw on initial release in the cinema, so I learned to associate 'new Bond' with the strange and surreal, while at the same time, as a kid, accepting it all at face value.

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Wadsy wrote:

Most of all, it was supposed to be a revenge story but Tracy isn't even mentioned once, so I guess Irma Bunt really did get away with murder.

Was DAF supposed to be a revenge story? Not really. DAF was off its face, in a good way, and doing something else tonally... essentially for commercial reasons, as has been said, and giving the franchise a decadent new direction...


From a 'fan fiction' point of view, as a coda to OHMSS, one can always imagine that a vengeful Bond tracked down Bunt, going to a dark place before hunting Blofeld next... and only afterwards transitioning to sparkling, high camp! Or perhaps "this never happened to the other fella."

Of course, one could simply bide one's time and wait for one's revenge fix in LTK or CR/QOS.



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I always find it hilarious that Blofeld is driving the car and turning to see Bond when Irma shoots. First, there's the idea of the Big Bad doing something as menial as driving, then there's the fact he can't turn his neck properley. Has me laughing every time - even though it's a tragic death scene.

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The weirdest film in my opinion is moonraker. I cannot still make up my mind if it is a spoof! I think the original Casino Royale is more realistic!

As for bad films I agree with some people about DAF. I saw this at the week end and did not even bother watching to the end.

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IcePak wrote:

DAF. Bond in a pink tie. 'Nuff said.

The 70s was weird , what was up with those nazi sexploitation and cannibal films  ajb007/lol

(Ghengis Khan song , scary stuff  ajb007/crap

Also those Bruce Lee imitator films , had it been today the estate prolly wouldve sued them to hell ajb007/shifty

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Shady Tree wrote:

"For when love's gone..."

Wadsy wrote:

Most of all, it was supposed to be a revenge story but Tracy isn't even mentioned once, so I guess Irma Bunt really did get away with murder.

Was DAF supposed to be a revenge story? Not really. DAF was off its face, in a good way, and doing something else tonally... essentially for commercial reasons, as has been said, and giving the franchise a decadent new direction...

That's just it. It is the direction they took for whatever silly reason - why even have an opening scene with Bond going after Blofeld as if his life depends on it if the movie is just going to ignore that?

1. FYEO 2. TLD 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. OHMSS 6. TSWLM 7. GF  8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. DN 11. SP 12. MR 13. SF  14. CR 15. TB 16. LALD 17. GE 18. YOLT 19. TND 20. TMWTGG 21. TWINE 22. TND 23. DAF 24. DAD

1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Lazenby 5. Craig  6. Brosnan

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Wadsy wrote:
Shady Tree wrote:

"For when love's gone..."

Wadsy wrote:

Most of all, it was supposed to be a revenge story but Tracy isn't even mentioned once, so I guess Irma Bunt really did get away with murder.

Was DAF supposed to be a revenge story? Not really. DAF was off its face, in a good way, and doing something else tonally... essentially for commercial reasons, as has been said, and giving the franchise a decadent new direction...

That's just it. It is the direction they took for whatever silly reason - why even have an opening scene with Bond going after Blofeld as if his life depends on it if the movie is just going to ignore that?

I think they did plan on having Irma Bunt coming back for DAF, but George retired from Bond and Ilse Steppatt died after making the film.

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In a strange and wonderful way, all James Bond films are a trifle weird.

IMO though, because it is so much to do with identity, DAF is top of the pile - who is who? Bond is Franks, Franks is Bond, Plenty is Tiffany, three Blofelds, a dentist who is a diamond smuggler, a comedian who is a distributor, a funeral parlour that kills people, a research centre which may or may not be faking moon landings, satellites equipped with lasers, weather balloons delivering secret agents, two identical cassette tapes, a shapeshifting gorilla, Bond impersonates 'one of the little people', Moneypenny impersonates a customs official - need I go on?

I'm quite fond of DAF, it makes me chuckle like no other Bond film.

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hehadlotsofguts wrote:

I think they did plan on having Irma Bunt coming back for DAF, but George retired from Bond and Ilse Steppatt died after making the film.

That's correct. Maibaum's early drafts of DAF would have resulted in a very different and considerably more serious film. In one, Irma was identified and killed off in the pre-title sequence.

As for the weirdest Bond film, Live and Let Die is the only movie in the series where a character is unmistakably killed in one scene and then appears magically resurrected in a later one. No other Bond film so blatantly embraces the supernatural. Imagine how any other Bond film would play if its villain was immortal like Baron Samedi!

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For me it's probably TMWTGG.  I remember as a kid turning on the TV in the middle of the movie and thinking to myself "Cool - Roger Moore is guest-starring on Fantasy Island tonight."  It actually didn't dawn on me right away I was watching a Bond movie.  There was something about it that definitely felt off.

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LALD, simply because of the resurrecting part.