I miss the big raids from the old days. It's a tradition in Bond Movies and not something we'll see in Mission Impossible or other spy franchises. The tricick is to do it in an interesting and new way and make sure Bond has an important role to play.
I'd love to see a SBS raid on a ship, oil rig or coastal fortress where Bond has to save someone, stop a bomb from going off or get the main villan :007)
I miss the big raids from the old days. It's a tradition in Bond Movies and not something we'll see in Mission Impossible or other spy franchises. The tricick is to do it in an interesting and new way and make sure Bond has an important role to play.
I'd love to see a SBS raid on a ship, oil rig or coastal fortress where Bond has to save someone, stop a bomb from going off or get the main villan :007)
Thinking about it, if they hadn't tried to make SP so personal, the finale would have been an awesome opportunity to do a larger raid on the old MI 6 building.
I miss the big raids from the old days. It's a tradition in Bond Movies and not something we'll see in Mission Impossible or other spy franchises. The tricick is to do it in an interesting and new way and make sure Bond has an important role to play.
I'd love to see a SBS raid on a ship, oil rig or coastal fortress where Bond has to save someone, stop a bomb from going off or get the main villan :007)
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Always thought a good pre-title sequence would be some kind of terrorist attack on a new Royal Navy aircraft carrier where Bond is present (naval uniform of course!)
I miss the big raids from the old days. It's a tradition in Bond Movies and not something we'll see in Mission Impossible or other spy franchises. The tricick is to do it in an interesting and new way and make sure Bond has an important role to play.
Skyfall felt like their post-modern answer to this - commandos stage a climactic raid on a lair, but the dynamics are flipped so that it's the villain's team laying siege to Bond's (understaffed and underarmed) lair.
I miss the big raids from the old days. It's a tradition in Bond Movies and not something we'll see in Mission Impossible or other spy franchises. The tricick is to do it in an interesting and new way and make sure Bond has an important role to play.
I'd love to see a SBS raid on a ship, oil rig or coastal fortress where Bond has to save someone, stop a bomb from going off or get the main villan :007)
{[] Would be great!
Always thought a good pre-title sequence would be some kind of terrorist attack on a new Royal Navy aircraft carrier where Bond is present (naval uniform of course!)
For some reason, so have I
I remember when they were casting Bond for CR some members here wanted the new Bond to be presented to the press on a an Aircraft carrier. I hope they do it next time, now that the Royal Navy has HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.
Good idea! the SP finale was weak, and a commando raid on the old MI6 building maight have worked better.
But then everyone here would complain that it’s ‘like something out of Call of Duty: not Bond!’ like they always do. A lot of you guys have very tight parameters on what’s acceptable in Bond, and it usually seems to be ‘must be something I’ve seen before’.
I don't think everything has to be something we've seen before. A good example is the ending of SF as mentioned above. At the end of the movie it's Bond's "lair" that's gets attacked and M gets killed. That's never been done before and I think that was great. Or the ending of CR where the film's vilan gets killed and Bond gets saved by the villan's organisation. That's great.
But a raid hasn'been seen in a Bond movie since 1987, so very many has never seen a raid in a Bond film at the cinema. The Bond moviers also show that raids can be very different. The raid on the vulcano in YOLT is very different from the mujahedin raid on the Soviet base in Afghanistan in TLD. A raid isn't something that can only be done in one way and once.
Good idea! the SP finale was weak, and a commando raid on the old MI6 building maight have worked better.
But then everyone here would complain that it’s ‘like something out of Call of Duty: not Bond!’ like they always do. A lot of you guys have very tight parameters on what’s acceptable in Bond, and it usually seems to be ‘must be something I’ve seen before’.
We've had Craig's Bond single handedly take out an embassy, sink a building in Venice, destroy a hotel in Bolivia, fight off mercenaries attacking his Scottish home, level half a block of Mexico City, and blow up the villain's secret layer in Morocco.
Personally, I think a good old OHMSS or FYEO type raid would actually be a change of pace.
I’d agree with that. I’m not sure who or what falls into the category of having ‘tight parameters as to what’s acceptable in Bond’ meaning what we’ve seen before. Tight parameters as to what differentiates Bond from other franchises, and what makes him Bond, yes. But that doesn’t mean being closed to new elements. It’d be pretty dull of everything was a rehash if what we’ve seen before. For me, the climactic scenes in Skyfall were a perfect example of showcasing Bond while turning the usual formula around, as Number24 mentions above.
I was thinking about the raid on Piz Gloria too, if Roger Moore can complete such scenes like in FYEO on the opium warehouse I'm sure DC could handle it well, especially alongside Felix!
If there were to be some sort of raid in Bond 25, I'd like to see Bond reunited with some of his former SBS buddies....but then EON would be accused of copying The Expendables.
It's almost impossible to do something in a movie that hasn't been done before. In most cases it's about finding a different twist on it and do it well.
Good idea! the SP finale was weak, and a commando raid on the old MI6 building maight have worked better.
But then everyone here would complain that it’s ‘like something out of Call of Duty: not Bond!’ like they always do. A lot of you guys have very tight parameters on what’s acceptable in Bond, and it usually seems to be ‘must be something I’ve seen before’.
We've had Craig's Bond single handedly take out an embassy, sink a building in Venice, destroy a hotel in Bolivia, fight off mercenaries attacking his Scottish home, level half a block of Mexico City, and blow up the villain's secret layer in Morocco.
Personally, I think a good old OHMSS or FYEO type raid would actually be a change of pace.
I'd be on board with a FYEO type raid. That one could work because it's not an army but just a small group of people. The end of Spectre was sort of like that, but not exciting, suspenseful or focused like in FYEO.
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No commmando raid. I want a spy thriller. Bond as a loan blunt instrument sent out to cut through the scum. That’s why CR and SF were successes, they gave us something new.
No commmando raid. I want a spy thriller. Bond as a loan blunt instrument sent out to cut through the scum. That’s why CR and SF were successes, they gave us something new.
I'd be good with that....especially with some scenes where Bond appears to be in real danger. I am hoping that we can actually get some real suspense in Bond 25. Fukunaga is a master at creating creating an atmosphere of suspense and dread, especially in the first season of True Detective. Fukunaga also did a great job with the dynamic between the two detective partners portrayed by Mathew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson which would bode well in Bond 25 with Bond partnering with Leiter.
No commmando raid. I want a spy thriller. Bond as a loan blunt instrument sent out to cut through the scum. That’s why CR and SF were successes, they gave us something new.
I'm not sure cutting through scum is a spy thriller, that sounds more like Stallone's Cobra, but I think we might finally be getting Purvis & Wade's Quantum script.
I remember seeing them interviewed after Quantum and they talked about how they were always making Bond more complicated and EON were always demanding it be simple. However, this time we seem to be getting a more complex story with treachery and many moving parts, from Leiter to MI6 agents, Madeleine's back story, kidnapped scientists and Rami Malek's villain. And the original Quantum script had M killed and its been reported (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/940162/#p940162) that killing off Bond in Bond25 was not only Boyle's idea and its been a part of the story for a while.
It wouldn't be without precedent that unused material from previous scripts would be utilized in a subsequent Bond script. I would seriously doubt that they will kill Bond off in Bond 25; a bit of a murky ending relative to his survival could be IMO, a remote possibility. I don't believe EON would think it is good business to have the audience leave the theater on a very down note unless it appears that Bond may have died but the film actually ends with Bond back on his boat or a beach so we know he survived. We don't know the details or specifics over why Boyle left and I have no idea at all how much, if any, of Hodge and Boyle's script remains part of Bond 25.
It wouldn't be without precedent that unused material from previous scripts would be utilized in a subsequent Bond script. I would seriously doubt that they will kill Bond off in Bond 25; a bit of a murky ending relative to his survival could be IMO, a remote possibility. I don't believe EON would think it is good business to have the audience leave the theater on a very down note unless it appears that Bond may have died but the film actually ends with Bond back on his boat or a beach so we know he survived. We don't know the details or specifics over why Boyle left and I have no idea at all how much, if any, of Hodge and Boyle's script remains part of Bond 25.
I don’t really get how they can kill him and yet just start again in a couple of years’ time. A reboot is one thing but resurrection is another: it’d feel weird and actually slightly detract from the drama of killing him.
And yet: I was thinking of Skyfall and how M’s death really got folks talking; and then I think they tried to replicate that with the brother Blofeld stuff, but it never had enough connection with the audience as Blofeld was basically a new character and it was quite a stretch to believe it! So I can well imagine they’d go for another ‘wow!’ moment, but I don’t know what it is. I don’t think you can kill Bond if you want to keep making Bond movies forever, so it’d have to be something else big. Mind you, I can buy Moneypenny or Q getting killed. Not Felix though as he’s not really a big favourite and hasn’t been in a film for 11 years!
If there were to be some sort of raid in Bond 25, I'd like to see Bond reunited with some of his former SBS buddies....but then EON would be accused of copying The Expendables.
Even if it was just showing him having a beer with his old buddies in the "Frogman's Arms"
The claustrophobia and close quarters suspense of Skyfall's finale is what I really loved about it.
That, and the amazing shot of the house being obliterated by the bullets from the chopper in that first teaser way back in May of 2012.... something about the cinematography just blew me away.
Does anybody want to take guesses on how we're reintroduced to Felix Leiter? I feel like off-camera we'll hear one of the following lines (or a variation of them) as Bond is fishing, and then he'll turn around to see it's Felix:
"Because some damned fool accused you of being the best!" like Dillon says to Dutch in Predator, followed by their now legendary reintroduction and hello. It'd be a variation on this line, of course. lol
"Heard a rumor you'd gone native..." like what Felix tells Bond at the bar in Quantum of Solace.
"Bond, James Bond!" as Zukovsky mockingly refers to Bond in GoldenEye.
I’m just looking forward to seeing what simple movement Felix will do in a ridiculously over cool way. This is not a man who throws a poker chip or handles a folding phone like a normal person!
I do actually love those bits!
In Craig and Jeffrey Wright we have two excellent actors. While Wright's interpretation of Felix Leiter is quite a bit different than the novels, I really found his shadowy, reserved performance to add gravitas to both CR and QOS even given his limited screen time. IMO, you could really believe that Wright as Leiter was this reserved, shadowy undercover CIA operative and it made a good contrast to Craig's mayhem inducing blunt instrument of a "00". In the hands of Fukunaga, it should be interesting to see their interaction after the passage of time and Bond's maturation.
I agree, Wright being involved has me really stoked about the next /last installment, I find him incredibly watchable and as you say he is a fine actor, I will always regret him not being in more of DC's bond films.
In thinking about past Bond films, I would say that Wright's Leiter reminds me most of Jack Lord in DN.
I get that people here seem to love his Leiter. For me it adds no value, and leaves no trace. Not his fault, he's just given nothing to do and nothing to work with. Hope he gets to make more impact this time.
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In thinking about past Bond films, I would say that Wright's Leiter reminds me most of Jack Lord in DN.
I get that people here seem to love his Leiter. For me it adds no value, and leaves no trace. Not his fault, he's just given nothing to do and nothing to work with. Hope he gets to make more impact this time.
Yes I’d love him to be given more to do this time: he’s the most charismatic Felix alongside Hedison. He felt very much an afterthought in Quantum (understandably as the whole film was rather half-formed!).
The writer of this article claims he's "had some pretty good intelligence" that the Aston Martin AM-RB 003 could be seen in B25, but then he continues on as if merely his own speculation. It is also mentioned here twice that the DB5 will return, although I don't remember it being confirmed anywhere that the DB5 in particular will be back, just that AM will provide a new model.
What interests me most though is the claim that "Jaguar Land Rover will continue playing along as the bad guys. It will provide the as-yet-unseen Defender as a villain car".
I remember late last year there was a rumour that a custom Defender with six wheels would be featured in B25 (page 127 of this thread):
Ron Milione is listed on IMDB as "special effects technician", otherwise his IMDB is pretty thin. He may have listed himsef on Bond25, we don't know. He is no doubt a fan, his Instagram account is full of Bond stuff, but there is nothing else that links him to movie work. If he's genuine, Bond is getting into some very rugged terrain.
Grain of salt and all - I haven't spotted anything more recent on this guy's IG to suggest he's really on the crew, it could all be BS. Still, curious whether the Sun article is just echoing this old rumour, or there's really more to it. Either way, such a vehicle would be awesome to see.
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I'd love to see a SBS raid on a ship, oil rig or coastal fortress where Bond has to save someone, stop a bomb from going off or get the main villan :007)
Thinking about it, if they hadn't tried to make SP so personal, the finale would have been an awesome opportunity to do a larger raid on the old MI 6 building.
{[] Would be great!
Always thought a good pre-title sequence would be some kind of terrorist attack on a new Royal Navy aircraft carrier where Bond is present (naval uniform of course!)
Skyfall felt like their post-modern answer to this - commandos stage a climactic raid on a lair, but the dynamics are flipped so that it's the villain's team laying siege to Bond's (understaffed and underarmed) lair.
For some reason, so have I
I remember when they were casting Bond for CR some members here wanted the new Bond to be presented to the press on a an Aircraft carrier. I hope they do it next time, now that the Royal Navy has HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.
But then everyone here would complain that it’s ‘like something out of Call of Duty: not Bond!’ like they always do. A lot of you guys have very tight parameters on what’s acceptable in Bond, and it usually seems to be ‘must be something I’ve seen before’.
But a raid hasn'been seen in a Bond movie since 1987, so very many has never seen a raid in a Bond film at the cinema. The Bond moviers also show that raids can be very different. The raid on the vulcano in YOLT is very different from the mujahedin raid on the Soviet base in Afghanistan in TLD. A raid isn't something that can only be done in one way and once.
We've had Craig's Bond single handedly take out an embassy, sink a building in Venice, destroy a hotel in Bolivia, fight off mercenaries attacking his Scottish home, level half a block of Mexico City, and blow up the villain's secret layer in Morocco.
Personally, I think a good old OHMSS or FYEO type raid would actually be a change of pace.
That kind of proves my point, yes!
I'd be good with that....especially with some scenes where Bond appears to be in real danger. I am hoping that we can actually get some real suspense in Bond 25. Fukunaga is a master at creating creating an atmosphere of suspense and dread, especially in the first season of True Detective. Fukunaga also did a great job with the dynamic between the two detective partners portrayed by Mathew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson which would bode well in Bond 25 with Bond partnering with Leiter.
I'm not sure cutting through scum is a spy thriller, that sounds more like Stallone's Cobra, but I think we might finally be getting Purvis & Wade's Quantum script.
I remember seeing them interviewed after Quantum and they talked about how they were always making Bond more complicated and EON were always demanding it be simple. However, this time we seem to be getting a more complex story with treachery and many moving parts, from Leiter to MI6 agents, Madeleine's back story, kidnapped scientists and Rami Malek's villain. And the original Quantum script had M killed and its been reported (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/940162/#p940162) that killing off Bond in Bond25 was not only Boyle's idea and its been a part of the story for a while.
I don’t really get how they can kill him and yet just start again in a couple of years’ time. A reboot is one thing but resurrection is another: it’d feel weird and actually slightly detract from the drama of killing him.
And yet: I was thinking of Skyfall and how M’s death really got folks talking; and then I think they tried to replicate that with the brother Blofeld stuff, but it never had enough connection with the audience as Blofeld was basically a new character and it was quite a stretch to believe it! So I can well imagine they’d go for another ‘wow!’ moment, but I don’t know what it is. I don’t think you can kill Bond if you want to keep making Bond movies forever, so it’d have to be something else big. Mind you, I can buy Moneypenny or Q getting killed. Not Felix though as he’s not really a big favourite and hasn’t been in a film for 11 years!
Even if it was just showing him having a beer with his old buddies in the "Frogman's Arms"
"Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
That, and the amazing shot of the house being obliterated by the bullets from the chopper in that first teaser way back in May of 2012.... something about the cinematography just blew me away.
Does anybody want to take guesses on how we're reintroduced to Felix Leiter? I feel like off-camera we'll hear one of the following lines (or a variation of them) as Bond is fishing, and then he'll turn around to see it's Felix:
"Because some damned fool accused you of being the best!" like Dillon says to Dutch in Predator, followed by their now legendary reintroduction and hello. It'd be a variation on this line, of course. lol
"Heard a rumor you'd gone native..." like what Felix tells Bond at the bar in Quantum of Solace.
"Bond, James Bond!" as Zukovsky mockingly refers to Bond in GoldenEye.
I do actually love those bits!
I get that people here seem to love his Leiter. For me it adds no value, and leaves no trace. Not his fault, he's just given nothing to do and nothing to work with. Hope he gets to make more impact this time.
Yes I’d love him to be given more to do this time: he’s the most charismatic Felix alongside Hedison. He felt very much an afterthought in Quantum (understandably as the whole film was rather half-formed!).
The writer of this article claims he's "had some pretty good intelligence" that the Aston Martin AM-RB 003 could be seen in B25, but then he continues on as if merely his own speculation. It is also mentioned here twice that the DB5 will return, although I don't remember it being confirmed anywhere that the DB5 in particular will be back, just that AM will provide a new model.
What interests me most though is the claim that "Jaguar Land Rover will continue playing along as the bad guys. It will provide the as-yet-unseen Defender as a villain car".
I remember late last year there was a rumour that a custom Defender with six wheels would be featured in B25 (page 127 of this thread):
Grain of salt and all - I haven't spotted anything more recent on this guy's IG to suggest he's really on the crew, it could all be BS. Still, curious whether the Sun article is just echoing this old rumour, or there's really more to it. Either way, such a vehicle would be awesome to see.