The General UK Politics (Past and Present) Discussion Thread

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Well, the recent events in the UK parliament have shown how fast 27 countries can come to decisions - repeatedly and over night.

    I am looking forward to see you celebrating populists, haters radicals and nationalists after the protest vote in the EU elections.
    Oh, you would never do that, right?

    And who knows, maybe the positive people who are pro EU will get more votes then expected, that would be funny
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I will indeed be celebrating {[] Big time {[] Democracy, I love it :x
    Others use Semantics ( like snake oil salesmen ) to belittle the rights
    of ordinary people, calling them names like haters, radicals and nationalists.
    I have no fear of Democracy :x it's a sound system, only those who have
    hidden agendas, dislike it. Wanting people to vote and vote again until they
    vote the " Correct " way. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    :)) :))

    Salesman Semantics

    Calling a spade a spade it is

    And you are such a democrat, surely the democratic elections in Venezuela must be accepted :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Ah, the old change the subject ploy :)) has anyone disputed the UK
    Referendum results, any one claim it was unfair, or not properly carried out ?
    please list all the countries and Organizations that have stated the elections
    in the UK were, unfair ? :)) :)) :)) I'll put that down to "Salesman Semantics" :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I have mentioned several times the massive flaws in the referendum process and how the Leave Campaign lied, cheated, manipulated and emotionalized basically good people to vote against their interest.

    It was certainly enough to give the edge to get the thin majority.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    "Please list all the countries and Organizations that have stated the elections
    in the UK were, unfair ? "


    I'm waiting :p You must have googled some by now
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I have mentioned several times the massive flaws in the referendum process and how the Leave Campaign lied, cheated, manipulated and emotionalized basically good people to vote against their interest.
    It was certainly enough to give the edge to get the thin majority.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    "Please list all the countries and Organizations that have stated the elections
    in the UK were, unfair ? " :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I did not say that countries and organisations have stated that the UK elections have been unfair.

    I gave you my opinion, why the referendum was heavily flawed and manipulated and that had a larger influence than the tiny majority which it turned out.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    "And you are such a democrat, surely the democratic elections in Venezuela must be accepted"

    you equated the UK vote with that of Venezuela, so once again I'll ask the question ....

    "Please list all the countries and Organizations that have stated the elections
    in the UK were, unfair ? " :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    three times the question has been asked and still, No Answer :)) :)) :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited May 2019
    No, I haven‘t equated UK and Venezuela elections.

    What I criticise is your attitude that everybody who has the slightest doubts about the results and the way that lead to that vote, is undemocratic.

    You are the one who shouts around like an evangelist:‘No matter how a democratic vote has been achieved - it must be followed“!
    And to that, I was making a counterargument with the venezuelan elections.

    You may agree, that Maduro manipulated and cheated himself into the vote admitted to a far higher degree like the Brexiteers lied, cheated and manipulated themselfs into the majority of the Brexit vote. It was a fine line to draw and I did it and was well aware that you‘d just shout over it in your usual rage.

    And I have pointed out, that ‚Leaving the EU‘ could also mean ‚Leaving the EU‘ with a deal.
    That you and Joshua don‘t accept and put me in the same boat with dictators and undemocrats.

    And you are well aware if that, your rage and hate against everything EU just does not allow yourself to go down to a reasonable position.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Please list all the countries and Organizations that have stated the elections
    in the UK were, unfair ? :)) :)) :)) :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Yawn...
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Please list all the countries and Organizations that have stated the elections
    in the UK were, unfair ? :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
    Still waiting ? :p

    " your rage and hate against everything EU "
    WOW !!! rather personal, do you really know me that well ?
    Happily I have stayed away from personal abuse, it is after all ....
    ....... The British way :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Semantics.....
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Nigel-Farage-MEP-2-Strasbourg-Diliff.jpg

    We don't see enough images of the great man ;) Britain's own Gandhi
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,418Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Yawn...

    I couldn’t agree more...this thread is tiresome...closed for recess.
    YNWA 97
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Well, I think that's enough time to let us re-open this thread.... again. We won't hesitate to re-close it... again... if necessary.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Great News, The Jeremy Kyle Show of AJB is back ! :D {[]
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,646MI6 Agent
    It behoves us to be very careful that it won't be cancelled this series. :v
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Open government, at last. Thanks to the Mods for re-opening this thread :)
    I wonder ho many Britons will vote at the upcoming EU elections?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    You wonder How many Britons will vote ?

    We usually go in to a small booth, with a voting slip and pen ......... :p ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    So that's how they do it? Interesting. Here we're so few people we just turn up an dpoint at the person we want to represent us.
    Do you have any theory on the number of Britons who'll go into the small booth, with a voting slip and pen and vote?
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,646MI6 Agent
    I think a lot of disgruntled Conservative and Labour voters who voted for Brexit will switch allegiance to Farage's new Brexit Party. I expect the two main parties to get a good drubbing at the polls. Such is the price of the failed delivery of Brexit.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The polls for the Brexit party are amazing, if
    They get that sort of result in the election.....
    ..... there Will be big changes in the two main
    Parties.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Since this is an election into a union a majority of voters wanted out of and were supposed to have left by now, do you think fewer Britons will vote in the upcoming election? And have I finally found a way to phrase the question that isn't wide open to misunderstandings?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'll always deliberately misunderstand ;)
    Yes I expect the vote to be down in numbers and
    Think the two big winners will be the Brexit party
    And the LibDems it's almost a second referendum
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    It's usually not deliberate when I misunderstand :#
    I wouldn't be surprised if many boycoted the upcoming EU election.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    That you and Joshua don‘t accept and put me in the same boat with dictators and undemocrats.

    That is an untruth. I have never said any one here was a dictator or anti democrat.

    I said goodbye to this thread a while ago as it had largely become a pointless chest thumping, propaganda point scoring exercise (of which I had found myself sucked into) but my comment was removed. This is not my return to this topic, I just happened to look through this thread so as to prove my own decision was the correct one when I saw the above comment.

    In the scheme of things, events will be decided by the people of the UK and its politicians and not influenced by what is said (argued) here. I advise everyone to stand by to be proved right or wrong by those events as they unfold and more importantly be prepared to accept the outcome. The EU elections can be looked upon at a reliable litmus test of the measure of pro or anti Brexit sentiment in the UK, a third chance for citizens to voice their opinion on the subject at the ballot box (the other two being the referendum and general election. I cannot include the local elections as the main pro Brexit parties were not standing, neither were the Change UK).

    I will end by insisting that you will please not mention my name again.

    Yours,

    a simple uneducated African. (my words not anyone's here)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Joshua, I too am a simple, uneducated Brit. Please don't
    Let anyone silence your opinion . I was encouraged in the
    Discussions on this thread by the many PMs from members
    Who support the idea of democracy but who don't want to
    Comment here, as it can get heated.
    Why not just shoot the breeze on some other threads, where
    All opinions are welcome.
    Roll on may 23, and the 2nd referendum ( unofficial ) takes
    Place :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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