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What I love from Barry' scores, is that when you hear them, it really distinguishes the theme/location of the films.

If I hear YOLT (my favourite) I really see Japan, it has such a strong Japan vibe
When I hear DAF, the sounds he uses, I cannot help to think of Diamonds
MR, another classic, you think of space and Sci-Fi

even his worst one, TMWTGG, you totally picture yourself in Asia.

That is a gift, to really have such a strong connection between music and the movies. All the other sountracks in comparisson are quite generic in my eyes. That said, I do like some of them: TND ranks as one of the best soundtracks out there. I love the LALD soundtrack also, as well as the CR soundtrack and even the TSWLM soundtrack is good.

But Barry is a class of his own. The best ones are YOLT, OHMSS and DAF I think. MR and GF complete the top 5.

OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore

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Good summation Mr_Osato.  Although I'd disagree with you if you think TB is generic but as you say in your eyes.

For mine TB is the best Bond soundtrack and when I listen to it I always think of the Bahamas and the underwater scenes and Café Martinique is simply magnificent.  Similarly with DR. No I always think of Jamaica.  Not a great soundtrack by any means but is OK on a summer's night.   ajb007/martini

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Mr_Osato wrote:

What I love from Barry' scores, is that when you hear them, it really distinguishes the theme/location of the films.

Arnold achieves this also,  particularly in the qos score ( which I think is his best work) if you listen " Talamone" you'll hear a mandolin in the background,  both the Haiti and Bolivia tracks have that same Barry location feel,  in fact when I heard the Spectre soundtrack " Los muertos vivos estan" I thought it sounded familiar almost like " Bolivian taxi ride"

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OGG007 wrote:

Good summation Mr_Osato.  Although I'd disagree with you if you think TB is generic but as you say in your eyes.

For mine TB is the best Bond soundtrack and when I listen to it I always think of the Bahamas and the underwater scenes and Café Martinique is simply magnificent.  Similarly with DR. No I always think of Jamaica.  Not a great soundtrack by any means but is OK on a summer's night.   ajb007/martini

I think the other composers that were not mentioned to be generic. Not other Barry soundtracks. They are all brilliant in it's own way. Apologies for the confusion.

OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore

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I think Barry and Arnold both did a great job. I thought of the scores I wanted to point out and then I thought that well: actually I love almost all the Bond scores. Even GE has a score that's great IMO. All the movies have such a specific vibe around them. If I must choose one Bond film that I think that hasn't such a great score then would that be DN. Too loud, don't really like that one. CR is my favourite.

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Does anyone know what Nicholas Dodd s involvement with the casino royale score was?  Was this soundtrack a true collaboration between Arnold and Dodd as the copy I have pretty much credits Dodd with most of the pieces.

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Chriscoop wrote:

Does anyone know what Nicholas Dodd s involvement with the casino royale score was?  Was this soundtrack a true collaboration between Arnold and Dodd as the copy I have pretty much credits Dodd with most of the pieces.

Arnold composed the music and Dodd orchestrated and conducted it. I believe he did the same for all of Arnold's scores.

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Matt S wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

Does anyone know what Nicholas Dodd s involvement with the casino royale score was?  Was this soundtrack a true collaboration between Arnold and Dodd as the copy I have pretty much credits Dodd with most of the pieces.

Arnold composed the music and Dodd orchestrated and conducted it. I believe he did the same for all of Arnold's scores.

Thanks Matt  ajb007/martini

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Chriscoop wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

Does anyone know what Nicholas Dodd s involvement with the casino royale score was?  Was this soundtrack a true collaboration between Arnold and Dodd as the copy I have pretty much credits Dodd with most of the pieces.

Arnold composed the music and Dodd orchestrated and conducted it. I believe he did the same for all of Arnold's scores.

Thanks Matt  ajb007/martini

I was curious why Dodd essentially shares credit for the soundtracks but is never really mentioned.

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Chriscoop wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Arnold composed the music and Dodd orchestrated and conducted it. I believe he did the same for all of Arnold's scores.

Thanks Matt  ajb007/martini

I was curious why Dodd essentially shares credit for the soundtracks but is never really mentioned.

But he doesn't share credit. His name is not on the album covers for the soundtracks. I just looked at the CR soundtrack and Dodd is neither mentioned on the front nor the back.

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Matt S wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

Thanks Matt  ajb007/martini

I was curious why Dodd essentially shares credit for the soundtracks but is never really mentioned.

But he doesn't share credit. His name is not on the album covers for the soundtracks. I just looked at the CR soundtrack and Dodd is neither mentioned on the front nor the back.

Well when I originally downloaded the album it was filed under " David Arnold and Nicholas Dodd " my cd makes no mention of Dodd but a new Download has Dodd under every track.... Unlike qos.
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Dodd is the conductor, so technically can classify as the performer. Kind of like Star Wars music was written by John Williams but performed by the London Symphony Orchestra. It's not like in pop music where only the performer matters. Film scores typically place the composer as the artist, and conductors (when not the score composer) don't typically get this much credit. Whoever wrote the metadata for these tracks thought to credit the conductor more prominently than what is usually done. Downloads can credit things in odd ways that don't really make sense. Look at the CD album for how things should properly be credited.

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Some people dont like this soundtrack..... but ive always  loved it....... a bit of vinyl on a sunday chill out

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I've loved TMWTGG since I bought it on vinyl in 1974! Nowadays I listen to the CD. It's not Barry's best OST, it isn't even his best Bond OST, but there's plenty to enjoy here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKNPRAGQANM  is always fun!

And this
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was my introduction to the notion of lietmotif!

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I remember buying my first copy of it in Woolworths  ajb007/biggrin

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I can't remember (not surprisingly, it was a long time ago) but I may have bought mine there too!

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I can't listen to the Golden Gun soundtrack knowing that most of the cast (and admittedly, Barry himself) are now deceased.
Still, it's a fun soundtrack but hate the fact that there are so many pieces missing.

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I got my copy from oxford street London...... cant remember the shop

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These came pretty quick to me- not much thought, as I do this evaluation in my head on a fairly regular basis lol ajb007/tongue

In an occasionally changing order:

GE- Big fan of Eric Serra since Nikita. The GE gunbarrel is still considered king of the gunbarrels to many. I also listen to the Experience of Love pretty regularly (meant for the film Leon originally)

TB- One of John Barry's best, Tom Jones as well. Jones is known for belting out some amazing vocals, and TB's score was very influential on me growing up.

TLD- Cold War back with a vengeance, and so is Bond by Timothy Dalton. The music very much captured the vibe of an old school spy thriller, and not some over the top actioner.

MR- Despite the over-the-top plot, the music was just magnificent. Barry outdoes himself with a British invasion of space. Bond blows up nerve gas pods in a laser-armed space shuttle. Sweet.

Honourable mentions:

YOLT- Pretty good overall score, but it's Nancy Sinatra who is just mesmerizing to listen to.

AVTAK- Again, a nice overall OST, but the real gem is Duran Duran and the opening theme.

And the worst? Well, I didn't hate any of the scores, but these are among the bottom of my list. Mostly because i didn't feel they held up to the test of time:

FYEO- I saw Sheena Easton live performing the title song in Vegas. The only magic to come from this mediocre score/OST. Bring Barry back.

TMWTGG- Stuck firmly in the 70s. Break out the disco balls.

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Here we go.
My fave.
1. FYEO- I don't care that it gets heaps of hate. This soundtrack is KILLER. That gunbarrel has swagger, oozing with cowbell and that 80's funk, without being too over the top. It the score I listen to the most, with some of the grooviest action scenes and also with the best romantic music. (Take me home, anyone... ajb007/martini )
Best Tracks: They're all good but Drive in the country (Probs favourite track ever)  Take me Home, Submarine, Runaway, For your eyes only instrumental.

2. Moonraker- Barry at his best. Lush sounds with beautiful orchestration.
Best Tracks: Bond lured to pryamid, Flight into space (How good is that?), Cablecar and snakefight)

3. TWINE- Underrated soundtrack with Arnold at his best. Nice combination of eletronics and orchestra, plus weaving of the main titles.
Best Tracks: Submarine, Come in 007, your time is up.

4. OHMSS- Purists have it right. This is a classic, and a lot of it comes down to the main instrumental track and how Barry weaves We have all the time in the world in tracks like Bond meets Draco.
Best Tracks: Over & Out, We have all the time in the world, Gumbold's safe.

5. LALD-
I think James Bond Radio helped me appreciate this groovy soundtrack a lot more, done by the fifth beatle. It's groovy and rocky, no doubt, but some beautiful romantic stuff as well.
Best Tracks: Bond drops in (SO AWESOME), San Monique and Baron Samedi's Dance of Death.

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Best: OHMSS
Worst: LTK

The whole John Barry period from 1963 - 1971 is outstanding and frankly any score from that era pisses all over almost every other soundtrack IMHO. Honourable mention to MR in 1979 - I'd love an extended version of this score to be available.

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Agreed that Barry's scores went from strength to strength until DAF - although I have to admit to being not so fond of the rather staid orchestral version of the Bond theme that he seemed to favour during the Moore years. But such things are all a matter of taste, I suppose.