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Please pay me no heed, I'm simply a grumpy old Curmudgeon  ajb007/martini

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Here's a Die Another Day niggle which confuses me (never takes much):
After Bond is given back by the North Koreans and escapes from MI6's boat, he checks into the hotel managed by Chang, the Chinese intelligence agent. Peaceful Fountains of Desire, the masseuse, visits him in his room. It turns out that Bond's room is being filmed by Chang and a couple of his colleagues, presumably to catch Bond having hanky-panky with the masseuse and then blackmail/exploit him later, as in From Russia with Love. However, when Bond starts touching the masseuse, she says "I'm not that kind of masseuse", and implies she is there to give Bond a genuine massage. if this is indeed the case, then what are the Chinese agents hoping to catch on film? A man in a hotel room getting a massage from a masseuse doesn't seem so bad, so is it a bit of a plot inconsistency or am I missing something?

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Surely filming bond would be a matter of course,  they who he is he had his usual suite,  who knows who he may talk to on the phone.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Not a niggle as it doesnt irritate me in the least. But while watching avtak recently I still had a chuckle at the part where Mayday pushes the Rolls Royce into the lake, where it floats out maybe 50feet,  bond then escapes and uses the air in the tyre to breath, but he is looking almost straight up at Zorin and Mayday on the shore.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Jellyfish wrote:

Here's a Die Another Day niggle which confuses me (never takes much):
After Bond is given back by the North Koreans and escapes from MI6's boat, he checks into the hotel managed by Chang, the Chinese intelligence agent. Peaceful Fountains of Desire, the masseuse, visits him in his room. It turns out that Bond's room is being filmed by Chang and a couple of his colleagues, presumably to catch Bond having hanky-panky with the masseuse and then blackmail/exploit him later, as in From Russia with Love. However, when Bond starts touching the masseuse, she says "I'm not that kind of masseuse", and implies she is there to give Bond a genuine massage. if this is indeed the case, then what are the Chinese agents hoping to catch on film? A man in a hotel room getting a massage from a masseuse doesn't seem so bad, so is it a bit of a plot inconsistency or am I missing something?

I think you got it exactly. The only point is to reference From Russia With Love. The movie is supposed to contain at least one reference to each of the previous 19 films, and most of them are very forced. This one is so forced it shatters any illusion there is a story going on, it suggests (three scenes in) that the entire film is only a sequence of forced self-referential images.

In this movie I am more surprised when something actually does make narrative sense
(e.g. it took me several viewings to get there is actually a plot-thread with Miranda Frost that begins in the pre-credits sequence. That could have been a good story if telling a good story was the purpose of this film. )

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caractacus potts wrote:

In this movie I am more surprised when something actually does make narrative sense
(e.g. it took me several viewings to get there is actually a plot-thread with Miranda Frost that begins in the pre-credits sequence. That could have been a good story if telling a good story was the purpose of this film. )

Which it isn't and it's quite sad, as they wasted what mighta/coulda/shoulda been a solid movie.

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Finding it hard to follow Die another Day ?  I'm guessing you guys avoid Inception and the Back to the future movies  ajb007/lol

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The dude in the PTS of DAF;

"Cai.....Cai.....Cairo" He says all of that without even moving his lips

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I've never quite understood how or why Paris Carver shows up in Bond's hotel room? 

Great scene all the same  ajb007/martini

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Firemass wrote:

I've never quite understood how or why Paris Carver shows up in Bond's hotel room? 

Great scene all the same  ajb007/martini

It's a long time since I saw the film or read the novelisation, but I seem to recall in Gardner's adaptation he explained Paris was sent there by her husband. I may be wrong, or it might be wishful thinking. Either way, Paris is clearly still in love with Bond and he's managed to rekindle the fire. I do agree however that this is one of those scenes not properly explained. Like TB another (for me) supreme example of Bondage sometimes it's easier just to go with the flow.