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Higgins wrote:

Now something critical about the EU - I am genuinely pissed!

So, for decades, the highest EU Job (President of the European Commission) has been haggled out between the Heads of States behind closed doors and that has been rightly criticized for a long time.

The 2015 EU parliamentary elections changed that. The winner of the EU parliamentary elections (Mr. Juncker) became head of the EU (President of the Commission).

So, 2019, the candidate for the winning party (EVP) was Mr. Weber and he should become the President of the European Commission.

Now the praised "reformer" Mr. Macron doesn't like Weber and Weber has many enemies in Hungary, Poland and Romania because he openly criticized their erosion of democracy and uprising autocratism.

As it seems today, the Heads of States  agreed now on a consensus candidate which has been haggled out behind closed doors - just like in the bad old days.

I find Mrs. v.d. Leyen a brilliant choice and she will be an outstanding EU Commission President without any doubt. That is not the point!
She was not running for EU Parliament. And she was not elected in the recent elections.

Now before the usual suspects are showing up and are moaning about the "dictatorial EU", just one remark:
The Heads of States have all been elected in democratic elections and they have been elected to represent their nations and their people.

I still would have expected that the Top Job would have chosen from the parliamentary elections only.

Granted I know very little about EU politics but the whole situation makes no sense whatsoever. The EVP party won and Weber should be president but because Macron doesn't like him the EU leaders get together and work a backroom deal to install another person? Ultimately the 2015 rule change is a change in name only as Macron or another head of state can disagree with the winner, have him/her removed and then install a more favorable individual. What recourse does Weber have and why haven't the EU members denounced this back room deal? Granted I don't know his politics but the rule changes make no sense when people can choose to not follow them!

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Hungary‘s Leader, Victor Orban took cold revenge, with friendly assistance of Poland, Czech, Slovenia and with help from his italian populist friends.

Basically an alliance of Rightwing Populist Nationalist lead strongmen ruined things for Weber, but Macron would not accept him either. Macron‘s argument was that Weber has no experience in any top position in politics or government.

Keep in mind, we are talking about 2 different jobs:

President of the EU parliament
President of the European Commission

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Re: The not so short lived non argumentative political thread.

Higgins wrote:

Hungary‘s Leader, Victor Orban took cold revenge, with friendly assistance of Poland, Czech, Slovenia and with help from his italian populist friends.

Basically an alliance of Rightwing Populist Nationalist lead strongmen ruined things for Weber, but Macron would not accept him either. Macron‘s argument was that Weber has no experience in any top position in politics or government.

Keep in mind, we are talking about 2 different jobs:

President of the EU parliament
President of the European Commission

I was under the impression that you were talking about the EU commission and not the parliament.

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Re: The not so short lived non argumentative political thread.

Weber won the EU parliamentary elections and may have been elected to the parliamentary president consequently.

The EU parliament is relatively weak, differently to other national parliaments and in recent years, everyone tried to strenghten the role of the EU parliament.

2015 was important because for the first time, the winner of the parliamentary election got president of the EU Commission which is the real top job in Europe.

To become president of the Commission, you need the blessings from the heads of states and from the parliament.
The heads of States, the European Council proposes their candidate and he/she must be elected by the parliament then.
2015 the Council agreed on the winner of the parliamentary elections, 2019 not.

Europe is complicated.

It started a a trading block and the decision have been solely made by the heads of states.
That changes slowly but the old powers are still that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside … Commission

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I appreciate the clarification and it sounds like the EU governing system is way more complicated than it needs to be ajb007/rolleyes It seems like even with all the changes made things are being run like nothing is really different.

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Well, it‘s not that easy.

Just remember the recent discussions in the UK, where many people felt, that their national needs and views are not being represented.
And I don‘t go as deep as speaking about the people in Northern Ireland or Scotland.

To give all these national influences a voice, there is a complicated balance between the parliament, the Council and other organs of the EU constitution.

I agree, that it‘s complicated but making it easier*, that will mean that nations give up power and that is not really popular among many states.

* Which basically means that you are painting with a broader brush so to say

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