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Someone wrote:
Shatterfang wrote:

I do not think it's Bond driving. I think Someone else is driving in this scene, and Bond finds his car later in the film. One reason is the double take he does looking at it in Whitehall. I think it is new to him.

Double take? He arrives in Whitehall in the Vantage. See the BTS video here.
https://twitter.com/007/status/1145353418803834880

You can't see it there but when he gets out of the car, he walks a few paces, then turns around and smiles I assume at the car.

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Someone wrote:

For anyone living in the Waterloo area of London, it appears that Q is living at 41 Roupell street.

Pictures from Splash News printed in the UK tabloid The Sun and elsewhere show a London road with terraced houses and the accompanying stories claim it's where Q lives, but it is hard to work out what exact road it is.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9 … s-bond-25/

But, Twitter account James Bond 007 News has tweeted that they were filming outside 41 Roupell street.
https://twitter.com/JB007_news/status/1 … 5435041793

And it does look like it when you look at Roupell street on Google street map.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5043657 … 384!8i8192

Yeah that's where they reported the sighting of the Aston the weekend before last, presumably when they shot this the same day as the Westminster stuff.

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Shatterfang wrote:
Someone wrote:
Shatterfang wrote:

I do not think it's Bond driving. I think Someone else is driving in this scene, and Bond finds his car later in the film. One reason is the double take he does looking at it in Whitehall. I think it is new to him.

Double take? He arrives in Whitehall in the Vantage. See the BTS video here.
https://twitter.com/007/status/1145353418803834880

You can't see it there but when he gets out of the car, he walks a few paces, then turns around and smiles I assume at the car.

I was trying to work out if that Craig acting as Bond or whether he's looking at the director or AD to see whether he should go back. It could well be the car's introduction in the film I guess.

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emtiem wrote:
Shatterfang wrote:
Someone wrote:

Double take? He arrives in Whitehall in the Vantage. See the BTS video here.
https://twitter.com/007/status/1145353418803834880

You can't see it there but when he gets out of the car, he walks a few paces, then turns around and smiles I assume at the car.

I was trying to work out if that Craig acting as Bond or whether he's looking at the director or AD to see whether he should go back. It could well be the car's introduction in the film I guess.


Wheres the pic of Craig with the green Aston behind him? It was released about the same time as the video. I figured the "double take" was the photographer of that pic, out of frame of the film crew. I can't seem to find the picture right now.

Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope

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Mr Martini wrote:
emtiem wrote:
Shatterfang wrote:

You can't see it there but when he gets out of the car, he walks a few paces, then turns around and smiles I assume at the car.

I was trying to work out if that Craig acting as Bond or whether he's looking at the director or AD to see whether he should go back. It could well be the car's introduction in the film I guess.


Wheres the pic of Craig with the green Aston behind him? It was released about the same time as the video. I figured the "double take" was the photographer of that pic, out of frame of the film crew. I can't seem to find the picture right now.

There is a video shot from afar of them filming that scene, where Craig walks a few steps, then cut and reset are called over loud speaker. He turns and walks back to the car. Could that be what you saw?

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probably

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With this 11 Dec 2018 post I summarised the DC Bond films' plots which do follow very similar paths;
https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/935980/#p935980

My guess at Bond25's plot at the time was a mashup of those plots;
Bond is already 'rogue/on holiday' with Madeleine, a Spectre assassin tries to kill him and Madeleine. Bond kills the assassin, his only lead to find Spectre. He goes to Leiter for help to find Spectre's lair, but Leiter is captured by Spectre. Bond encounters the young MI-6 agent along the way, as she is on a parallel mission to stop some devious Spectre plot, she dies helping Bond. M is not happy with Bond about the loss of his agent. Bond is helped by Q and Moneypenny to finish the young MI-6 agent's mission and to save Leiter. Spectre captures Madeleine to blackmail Bond and the last act is Bond trying to stop Spectre and save his friend and wife, a la Dark Knight, and Madeleine dies. The Spectre lair is destroyed, Leiter lives.


Based on what we know now about Bond25, and applying the similar plot path theory, I get;
Madeleine dies after the wedding, Bond kills the attackers leaving no leads. Years later Bond is in Jamaica. Felix Leiter asks Bond to help him and his colleague, CIA agent played by Magnussen, to rescue a scientist. Bond 'goes rogue' with Leiter and they involve a young woman, Paloma. Magnussen betrays the mission, Paloma is killed along with Magnussen, while Lashana's 007 saves Bond, but the mission fails and Leiter is captured by Spectre. Bond and Lashana return to London. Moneypenny and Q help Bond, sending him and Lashana on another search after analysing evidence given to Bond by Leiter, before he was captured. Bond and Lashana go to Norway to find the scientist and Leiter. They rescue Leiter and he helps them find the villain's lair, either in Norway or Scotland, where the scientist is found. They destroy the lair, but the scientist and Lashana die, while Leiter and Bond survive.

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Someone wrote:

Based on what we know now about Bond25, and applying the similar plot path theory, I get;
Madeleine dies after the wedding, Bond kills the attackers leaving no leads. Years later Bond is in Jamaica. Felix Leiter asks Bond to help him and his colleague, CIA agent played by Magnussen, to rescue a scientist. Bond 'goes rogue' with Leiter and they involve a young woman, Paloma. Magnussen betrays the mission, Paloma is killed along with Magnussen, while Lashana's 007 saves Bond, but the mission fails and Leiter is captured by Spectre. Bond and Lashana return to London. Moneypenny and Q help Bond, sending him and Lashana on another search after analysing evidence given to Bond by Leiter, before he was captured. Bond and Lashana go to Norway to find the scientist and Leiter. They rescue Leiter and he helps them find the villain's lair, either in Norway or Scotland, where the scientist is found. They destroy the lair, but the scientist and Lashana die, while Leiter and Bond survive.

Some good ideas, but I don't think they're going to kill all three women. One will definitely die, maybe two, but not three.

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Someone at Mi6 translated this italian article:

"According to the first rumors, the first scene of the film that is still shrouded in mystery by plot and title, will be shot among the Sassi of Matera but, unfortunately for the fans and for the most curious, the protagonist should not appear in the initial scene but, in its place, there will be co-protagonists. There will be ways to see it in other shots. Obviously the "stunt man" will not be missing for the most spectacular and risky scenes."

https://www.materalife.it/notizie/james … uovo-film/

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Matt S wrote:

Some good ideas, but I don't think they're going to kill all three women. One will definitely die, maybe two, but not three.

Not in the era of #MeToo! "Phoebe, we've brought you in to write witty death scenes for the self-empowered female characters." ajb007/lol

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Apparently there is a Bond25 press conference tomorrow. Seems a bit early for August filming?

https://www.materalife.it/notizie/james … uovo-film/

"Friday 12 July press conference to present the organisational aspects for production"

It's not clear if this is simply local officials informing people of what is going to happen, what roads will be closed etc. or if anyone from EON or Universal Studios will be there.

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Matt S wrote:

Some good ideas, but I don't think they're going to kill all three women. One will definitely die, maybe two, but not three.

Good point. Historically, a good girl and a bad girl dies, and Bond ends the film with a third girl. DC's films haven't followed the three girl structure.

What I do see in DC's films is a female helper, Solange, Fields, Severin, dying at some point in the film. That is Paloma's role IMHO.

A second helper typically dies also. A third will live. So, in DC's films, in Skyfall, M dies but Kincaide lives; in Quantum, first Mathis dies, then Fields. Spectre is an anomaly, but Mr White dies after helping Bond, admittedly by his own hand.

The third helper who lives includes, Mathis at the end of Casino (Solange and Vesper being the other two helpers); Leiter in Quantum; Kincaide in Skyfall (Moneypenny on the Macao mission counts as a helper and she lives and this is an exception); Spectre is also an exception because bar Mr White all his others helpers, Mrs Sciarra, Madeleine, live. But, the other three films clearly show a pattern.

And at the end of the DC films, he's never alone. In Spectre he is with Madeleine; Skyfall, Kincaide/Moneypenny/M; Quantum, Camille/M and Bond stands over Mr White at the end of Casino. So, DC is likely to be with someone at the end of Bond25, whether it is with Leiter admidst the ruins of the lair, or like Skyfall back at Whitehall and with M or Moneypenny.

I recognise that killing off Madeleine is unusual, killing three women, and maybe Leiter will not be captured and will simply leave the story after Cuba, and Lashana won't die. I was thinking, why would Bond continue with the mission after Cuba? And how does Bond become 007 again?

DC's Bond has failed at his mission as often as he succeeds. M dies in Skyfall; Vesper dies and he loses the money in Casino (or is it in the briefcase Mr White has with him at the end?); he learns the truth about Quantum and Vesper in Quantum; he defeats C and Blofeld's plans in Spectre. So, I chose to kill off the scientist at the end of Bond25.

I don't believe #metoo means no women die. On that basis, Spectre was ahead of #metoo. I think #metoo means no silly names, no girls present only to be in bikins, no gratuitous cleavage shots, good female character development (but Bond girls have often had their own arcs, Camille, Tilly Masterson, M/Olivia Mansfield, and others); and remember, PWB said that Bond won't change, he is still a mysoginist who uses women to achieve the mission.

Let me tweak my text to say; 
Madeleine dies after the wedding, Bond kills the attackers leaving no leads. Years later Bond is in Jamaica. Felix Leiter asks Bond to help him and his CIA colleague, played by Magnussen, to rescue a scientist. Bond 'goes rogue' with Leiter and they involve a young woman, Paloma. Magnussen betrays the mission, Paloma is killed along with Magnussen, while Lashana's 007 saves Bond, but the mission fails. Leiter returns to CIA, Bond and Lashana return to London. Moneypenny and Q analyse Bond and Lashana's Cuba evidence and send them off to find the scientist in Norway. They find the villain's lair, either in Norway or Scotland, where the scientist is found. They destroy the lair, but the scientist dies, while Lashana and Bond survive.

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Cheverian wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Some good ideas, but I don't think they're going to kill all three women. One will definitely die, maybe two, but not three.

Not in the era of #MeToo! "Phoebe, we've brought you in to write witty death scenes for the self-empowered female characters." ajb007/lol

#MeToo is mainly about sexual transgressions against women, so killing female characters as a part of the plot is normally irrelevant to that movement. The #Metoo movement disliked the scene in SP where 007 invites himself into the shower of Solange, a victim of sex trade when she was younger. I don't remember the movement having any problems with her getting klled later in the movie.

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Number24 wrote:

The #Metoo movement disliked the scene in SP where 007 invites himself into the shower of Solange, a victim of sex trade when she was younger.

I wasn't hugely keen on it myself: bit creepy, James! ajb007/smile

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emtiem wrote:
Number24 wrote:

The #Metoo movement disliked the scene in SP where 007 invites himself into the shower of Solange, a victim of sex trade when she was younger.

I wasn't hugely keen on it myself: bit creepy, James! ajb007/smile

Creepy? with respect that is bollox, political correctness gone mad!

"Can you kill him?" " someone usually Dies!" she then says where she will be at a specific time & leaves a chilled bottle of bubbly and two glasses so she and the audience is not expecting him to knock on the door & leave his shoes outside plus we've seen the same scene before in 1974 when Andrea Anders offers herself to Bond as payment for killing Scaramanga! "you can have me too if you like!

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ppw3o6r wrote:
emtiem wrote:
Number24 wrote:

The #Metoo movement disliked the scene in SP where 007 invites himself into the shower of Solange, a victim of sex trade when she was younger.

I wasn't hugely keen on it myself: bit creepy, James! ajb007/smile

Creepy? with respect that is bollox, political correctness gone mad!

"Can you kill him?" " someone usually Dies!" she then says where she will be at a specific time & leaves a chilled bottle of bubbly and two glasses so she and the audience is not expecting him to knock on the door & leave his shoes outside plus we've seen the same scene before in 1974 when Andrea Anders offers herself to Bond as payment for killing Scaramanga! "you can have me too if you like!

I think the fact that the scene resembles a movie from the early 70s was part of the problem  ajb007/biggrin

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ppw3o6r wrote:
emtiem wrote:
Number24 wrote:

The #Metoo movement disliked the scene in SP where 007 invites himself into the shower of Solange, a victim of sex trade when she was younger.

I wasn't hugely keen on it myself: bit creepy, James! ajb007/smile

Creepy? with respect that is bollox, political correctness gone mad!

"Can you kill him?" " someone usually Dies!" she then says where she will be at a specific time & leaves a chilled bottle of bubbly and two glasses

I see both sides here. I think, as Number 24 mentions, it was mainly her background in the sex trade that caused people to have some issues. But she was definitely expecting Bond and there is zero indication that his advances were unwelcome in any respect.

I was more unsettled by Bond’s rather aggressive seduction of Lucia in Spectre. Even Craig seemed uncomfortable in that scene.

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Bond is an anti-hero. He should be even more misogynistic and rapey just to upset people.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
ppw3o6r wrote:
emtiem wrote:

I wasn't hugely keen on it myself: bit creepy, James! ajb007/smile

Creepy? with respect that is bollox, political correctness gone mad!

"Can you kill him?" " someone usually Dies!" she then says where she will be at a specific time & leaves a chilled bottle of bubbly and two glasses

I see both sides here. I think, as Number 24 mentions, it was mainly her background in the sex trade that caused people to have some issues. But she was definitely expecting Bond and there is zero indication that his advances were unwelcome in any respect.

I was more unsettled by Bond’s rather aggressive seduction of Lucia in Spectre. Even Craig seemed uncomfortable in that scene.

Agreed

Starting with Sylvia Trench, the Bond films have definitely had their share of female characters that are completely in control of their own sexuality, and seem to enjoy casual sex as much as Bond. At least they've had no trouble showing the women enjoying sex. In that way, I think the franchise has actually been way ahead of the curve.

But they're usually minor characters. The other trope in the films is the one I think people have issues with: the tragic Bond girl. Bond has plenty of options when it comes to ways of interacting with these characters (including just simply helping them escape). But he almost always chooses to have sex with them when they're in a position of weakness and they end up dead.

In the movie Kingsman, I know a lot of people had issues with what the Swedish princess promised Eggsy if he accomplished his mission. I saw it as the film's biggest dig at the Bond films: take a (relatively) strong female character and reduce her to a sexual prize for the "hero". I mean, they did it in such a vulgar, obvious way, I thought the intent of the scene was pretty clear.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
ppw3o6r wrote:
emtiem wrote:

I wasn't hugely keen on it myself: bit creepy, James! ajb007/smile

Creepy? with respect that is bollox, political correctness gone mad!

"Can you kill him?" " someone usually Dies!" she then says where she will be at a specific time & leaves a chilled bottle of bubbly and two glasses

I see both sides here. I think, as Number 24 mentions, it was mainly her background in the sex trade that caused people to have some issues. But she was definitely expecting Bond and there is zero indication that his advances were unwelcome in any respect.

I do agree: she was completely expecting him and had indeed invited him. But I do think there's a difference between someone expecting you to pop around for a visit and surprising them in the shower in the nuddy! ajb007/smile
It's obviously all heightened style and all that, but the damaged sex slave thing does make it seem like Bond is taking massive advantage of a damaged person. Which is of course not entirely out of character for him, but still. A touch creepy! ajb007/smile As you say, I can see both sides, but ultimately I think it comes down more on the 'creepy' side of the fence for me.
I enjoy Bond being a mysogynist bastard as much as the next person, but he was kind of forcing himself on someone he knew was sexually vulnerable a bit too much for my liking there. There was indeed zero indication that his advances were unwelcome in any respect, but then he knew that's rather how she'd been trained in years of being a sex slave: she was used to saying yes.
It's kind of Bond giving implicit approval of her being a sex slave and using it to his advantage. Problematic.

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Number24 wrote:

The #Metoo movement disliked the scene in SP where 007 invites himself into the shower of Solange, a victim of sex trade when she was younger. I don't remember the movement having any problems with her getting klled later in the movie.

Wasn't that SF (Skyfall) and Severine, not 'Casino's' Solange?

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I think PWB was brought onboard to give the women good dialogue and arcs.

I could imagine Paloma's arc is a girl caught up in an evil organisation and sees Bond as her escape, in return for her help, but she never finds that escape, like Severine.

Madeleine's arc is clearly going to be non-existent, if she is killed in the PTS.

Moneypenny, I guess, will also not have an arc, as her role seems to be taking Bond to see Q.

Lashana however could have a substantial arc, but what it is is anyone's guess. Has she dealt with what was left of Spectre after Blofeld was locked up? Is she motivated to destroy Spectre? Is she resentful of Bond, the constant comparison and the fact that she has to rescue him and clean up the mess he and Leiter created? Does she blame Bond for Paloma's death?

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It would be nice if the Bond women had their own plots which Bond sort of intersected with, rather than just being victims existing for him to bed.
I think one of the stronger Bond girls was probably Pam from LTK: she was in the middle of her own mission which Bond even manages to screw up at one point.

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https://i.postimg.cc/68s1542P/38-D71-E38-18-D1-421-C-B3-B5-B013948138-A1.jpg

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Arbogast777 wrote:

https://i.postimg.cc/68s1542P/38-D71-E38-18-D1-421-C-B3-B5-B013948138-A1.jpg

This was to be expected, especially since Madeleine is back. But I think he'll have small role and Rami Malek will have a much larger role.