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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    The news has been full all day about the horrible mass shootings in Texas and Ohio.

    Republican politicians now explain quickly with "mental illness"

    Well, we probably have the same amount of "mentally ill" people over here in Europe, but we don't have that amount of mass shootings. So the reason for sure is not the mental illness.



    Hint: It has something to do with the crazy number of firearms in your country......
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    The news has been full all day about the horrible mass shootings in Texas and Ohio.

    Republican politicians now explain quickly with "mental illness"

    Well, we probably have the same amount of "mentally ill" people over here in Europe, but we don't have that amount of mass shootings. So the reason for sure is not the mental illness.



    Hint: It has something to do with the crazy number of firearms in your country......

    Higgins, can you please come over here and be an adviser to our Senate? Or do you not enjoy lost causes...?

    My country is controlled by politicians bought & paid for by lobbyists for gun, fossil fuel, big pharma, and war machinery manufacturers.
    If that idiot T-Rump & the entire 'Republican' Party here is not kicked to the curb soon, I fear for the safety of my country, and indeed, our world.

    SOS from USA...
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Hey Chris,

    good to see you and where have you been?

    Thanks for the offer, but I am needed here to take it up with the Brexiteers :D

    I agree with you partly about the lost case.
    Over 25 years ago, my neighbor married a Jewish guy from Cleveland/Ohio and moved to there.

    I remember what a proud American he was - I was going to my first baseball match with him, my first airshow (and what a great one that was) I went with him.
    He introduced me to Skippy's peanutbutter and Bush's baked beans and to Bagels!
    He never left a chance to tell me how great the US are and how small and narrow my country is.
    Besides this, parts of his family have been killed by the Nazis and his parents could escape by taking a Hapag Lloyd ship to New York.
    When we were together with them, there was not a single moment, where I could feel that they charge me responsible for what my countrymen have done to them and to their religion. They had always open arms for us and were incredibly welcoming and dead funny.

    We have visited them multiple times, we have always had lots of fun and political discussions.

    Since the Republicans have lost the vote against Obama 7 years ago, his attitude changed.
    They come every year to visit us now and he told me a couple of months ago, that they will be buying a house in Hamburg and moving soon.

    You can take him as an example how terrible the entire political situation became in the US. Sadly.
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    I had to turn off Trump's speech about the gun massacres. Maybe he got fitted up by a dodgy autocue but it really was poor, reading it out like a churlish schoolkid being made to apologise in front of the class and trying to signal he didn't really mean it.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Kellyanne Conway found him very presidential :s
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    One can tell when someone has written something for him and circumstances force him to say it and it's not from the gut. If any other president had said that it would be seen as obvious and expected. When Trump says it it's seen as important.

    BTW Higgins: I've seen the latest Democratic debate and I agree on your assesment of Tulsi Goddard -{
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited August 2019
    There are reports out, that during his Visit in El Paso yesterday, out of 8 hospitalized patients, not one of them agreed to meet the POTUS in person.

    Edit to be fair:

    I am also reading that „Two victims who already had been discharged returned to the hospital to meet with the president“
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited August 2019
    Donald Trump thumbs-upping, grinning and photoposing with a baby, which has just days before became an orphan because a massmurderer went out to kill Mexicans:

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/09/trump-el-paso-melania-orphan-baby-thumbs-up
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    So, now that the USA are buying Greenland, will Norway be next on their menu? :D

    I am also hearing that Denmark is now interested in buying Hawaii :))
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    Who knows? Trump might get lucky and they find much more valuable minerals under the Greenland ice (gone because of "solar flares", of course), making it the modern version of buying Alaska from Imperial Russia. :))
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    The USA actually tried to purchase Greenland before, after the Alaska purchase in 1867 and in 1945.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))

    Just to make myself clear: The US buying Greenland is probably a stupid idea, I'm just saying it's not quite as stupid as it sounds.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    Trump has confirmed his interest in the US buying Greeland. he says it's partly because of the Strategic imporatance of the island (it really is, but the US already has the Thule base) the other reason is that it's a investment. Greenland has some valuable minerals and many are expected to be found. But here is the funny part: Most of the minerals are probably under the ice, so the ice has to melt to get to it. Is Trump really admiting he knows climate change is real, he just panders to a misinformed voter base?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    Trump drops his planned visit to Denmark because Danish politicians rejected his idea about buying Greenland. "He is a child" comments a former Danish ambasador to Washington about Trump.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163961884225277954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1163961884225277954&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Futenriks%2Fi%2FAdQpVz%2Ftrump-avlyser-danmark-besoek-etter-groenland-nei
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    I've never seen such petulant behaviour from a world leader ever! He's starting to make kim wrong un look like a world class diplomat these days.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Well, yesterday Mr. Trump lamented, that the UK have been treated „very badly by the EU“, make out of that what you want :D
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    I hold no value in anything that comes out of trumps mouth or twitter feed.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited August 2019
    He said that when being asked when sitting next to the Romanian President, who recently fired Laura Kövesi, a tremendously respected anti-corruption investigator „because that‘s in the national interest“
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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Odds that Trump knows...

    ...who Laura Kövesi is: 0%

    ...the name of the Romanian president: 10%

    ...where Romania is: 15%

    ...what the EU is: 25%

    ...where Slovenia is: 50% (i.e., when Melania is nearby to remind him)

    ...where Greenland is: 75%

    ...when the next break in his schedule is, so he can tweet: 100%

    ...how he became President: 0%
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,648MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Trump drops his planned visit to Denmark because Danish politicians rejected his idea about buying Greenland. "He is a child" comments a former Danish ambasador to Washington about Trump.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163961884225277954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1163961884225277954&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Futenriks%2Fi%2FAdQpVz%2Ftrump-avlyser-danmark-besoek-etter-groenland-nei

    Who needs Greenland anyway? Let them keep it. :D

    That said, and trying to maintain balance here, Greenland was happy enough to have the United States occupy it during World War II between 1941 and 1945 to defend it against a possible German invasion after Denmark was occupied by the Germans in April 1940. It's certainly not the first time that the United States have attempted to buy Greenland from Denmark either. President Harry S. Truman attempted to buy it for the United States back in 1946. Its purchase by the United States (along with Iceland) was also mooted as far back as 1867. So, despite the way the media may portray things there really is nothing new under the sun. It's all something of a storm in a teacup if you ask me.

    Most interestingly of all, Greenland, which had joined the European Economic Community (EEC) with Denmark at the same time as the UK in 1973, voted by a majority in a 1982 referendum to leave the EEC and this exit was given effect in 1985. So that was Grexit I suppose. Their reason for their leaving the EEC was down to, inter alia, their opposition to EEC commercial fishing regulations. That should certainly ring a familiar bell when it comes to the current Brexit process in the UK. It shows that, again, there is nothing new under the sun.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Colonialism and just ‚taking‘ or buying territory (and there are people living there) may be nothing new, but we hopefully overcame these patterns and behaviours in the passed decades.

    Trumps approach is that of an arrogant rich US with deep pockets and an arsenal of arms behind his back who can get everything that he likes with a total lack of respect and understanding about what the other side needs and wants.

    Certainly not a storm in the teacup to me, but I am not sure, if he only staged that theatre to distract from domestic problems with his tradewars, the upcoming recession, his shifting position on background checks etc.
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Colonialism and just ‚taking‘ or buying territory (and there are people living there) may be nothing new, but we hopefully overcame these patterns and behaviours in the passed decades.
    I tend to agree with Silhouette Man that this Greenland silliness is just that -- silliness. Granted, that's easy for me to say, sitting here thousands of miles away. But you're right, it smacks of an attitude that (mostly) went by the boards by the 1960s.
    Higgins wrote:
    Trumps approach is that of an arrogant rich US with deep pockets and an arsenal of arms behind his back who can get everything that he likes with a total lack of respect and understanding about what the other side needs and wants.
    You used a few unnecessary keystrokes, but I fixed that. :)
    Higgins wrote:
    Certainly not a storm in the teacup to me, but I am not sure, if he only staged that theatre to distract from domestic problems with his tradewars, the upcoming recession, his shifting position on background checks etc.
    Methinks you give him way too much credit. He says and does what pops into his head, simple as that. Happy times...
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    edited August 2019
    Number24 wrote:
    Trump drops his planned visit to Denmark because Danish politicians rejected his idea about buying Greenland. "He is a child" comments a former Danish ambasador to Washington about Trump.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163961884225277954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1163961884225277954&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Futenriks%2Fi%2FAdQpVz%2Ftrump-avlyser-danmark-besoek-etter-groenland-nei

    Who needs Greenland anyway? Let them keep it. :D

    That said, and trying to maintain balance here, Greenland was happy enough to have the United States occupy it during World War II between 1941 and 1945 to defend it against a possible German invasion after Denmark was occupied by the Germans in April 1940. It's certainly not the first time that the United States have attempted to buy Greenland from Denmark either. President Harry S. Truman attempted to buy it for the United States back in 1946. Its purchase by the United States (along with Iceland) was also mooted as far back as 1867. So, despite the way the media may portray things there really is nothing new under the sun. It's all something of a storm in a teacup if you ask me.

    Most interestingly of all, Greenland, which had joined the European Economic Community (EEC) with Denmark at the same time as the UK in 1973, voted by a majority in a 1982 referendum to leave the EEC and this exit was given effect in 1985. So that was Grexit I suppose. Their reason for their leaving the EEC was down to, inter alia, their opposition to EEC commercial fishing regulations. That should certainly ring a familiar bell when it comes to the current Brexit process in the UK. It shows that, again, there is nothing new under the sun.

    I knew the US has tried to buy Greenland twise before, and in 1867 it may not have been such a bad idea. Now it's far more practical and economical to work with Denmark to get what the US wants on Greenland. They already have the Thule Air Base there and buying rights to mine for valuable minerals is prabably cheaper than buying the whole place.
    Greenland was a part of Denmark-Norway until 1814, but when Norway entered the union with Sweden, but Iceland, Greenland and the Faroe Islands stayed a part of Denmark. The story goes the Swedish negotiators didn't know those three territories were historically a part of the Norwegian Kingdom and should go to Sweden. It's worth mentioning that Norway's reaction to being handed from Denmark to Sweden by the great powers as spoils of war was making our own constitiution and eventually independence.
    I think the Greenlanders' reaction to being sold to the USA would have been equally negative. That kind of deal reminds us too much of colonialism and an antiquated way of thinking.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    Bill and Hillary must be so happy about this painting found by the police in Jeffrey Epstein's house :)) :)) :))

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Not the first time Bill's splashed out on a dress ;)
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    :)) :)) :))

    Very funny, TP. Here, have a cigar.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    I think it's a good rule when talking about politics to think "what if it was the other guy?"
    If it was Trump who was on the painting, would I laugh? I would, so it's funny when it Clinton too.
    If Hillary had asked the Russians to interfere on her behalf the election (in front of a huge crowd, no less) would the Republicans have called it a joke an let it slide? No they wouldn't (and shouldn't), so the right thing would be to call him out on it.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,709MI6 Agent
    In that spirit I'll ad that it's worrying that a known womanizer like Bill Clinton was a friend of Epstein and that he was on the so-called Lolita Express so many times. I don't know how many times Trump was on that plane and how close he was to Epstein (we do know his questionable attitude to females), but in Clinton's case we know enough to worry.
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